Democrats now critical of Rice's Benghazi explanation, amid more damaging evidence

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Enjoy revelling in your little faux victory, rig and nim. You know what I mean, in spite of your deliberate obtuseness. But I do find it charming and cute. 😉
 
LisaA said:
You are very good at advancing YOUR OPINIONS as some sort of proclamation from on high. Why would they have a ‘duty’ to ask this question when it was not the issue being discussed? Why would second hand knowledge of what Stevens might or might not have seen been credible? It would have been mere speculation in Hicks’ part.

He and the other witnesses were contacted to provide additional information, particularly the moment by moment testimony by Mr Hicks. They were not there to second guess the discussion between State and Defense and Stevens. Yes this is an important issue but Stevens is not “on trial,” here, he’s dead.

Lisa
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The point here is not to put Stevens on trial. The point is to get at ALL the reasons for what happened, and get them into the Congressional record, and to tie up all loose ends.
 
colmywaykurtz said:
The point here is not to put Stevens on trial. The point is to get at ALL the reasons for what happened, and get them into the Congressional record, and to tie up all loose ends.
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I doubt all the loose ends will ever be tied; they seldom are in this kind of purported scandal. I agree we should attempt to get at the “truth,” wherever that may lead, including possibly exonerating the administration of wrongdoing, heaven forbid! At the same time, let’s not neglect those “other” issues facing the country, such as, I don’t know, the economy, jobs, health care, Iran, Syria, North Korea.
 
meltzerboy said:
I doubt all the loose ends will ever be tied; they seldom are in this kind of purported scandal. I agree we should attempt to get at the “truth,” wherever that may lead, including possibly exonerating the administration of wrongdoing, heaven forbid! At the same time, let’s not neglect those “other” issues facing the country, such as, I don’t know, the economy, jobs, health care, Iran, Syria, North Korea.
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So blaming the deaths of 4 Americans by stating the falsehood it was caused by a video tape doesn’t qualify as a scandal. Thank you, I learn politic from you Americans.
 
BroomWagon said:
So blaming the deaths of 4 Americans by stating the falsehood it was caused by a video tape doesn’t qualify as a scandal. Thank you, I learn politic from you Americans.
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It’s still alleged wrongdoing by the administration until proven otherwise. That’s the nature of American justice. I personally think the Obama administration may very well have had a political agenda; but it doesn’t matter what any of us “think,” including the media, until all the facts are carefully evaluated.
 
Judge Jeannine said it right.

The Obama administration is able to get the IRS to hassle common Americans but we can’t get security to Libya even though requested for 6 months, to save our diplomat.

But she said it much better.

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meltzerboy said:
It’s still alleged wrongdoing by the administration until proven otherwise. That’s the nature of American justice. I personally think the Obama administration may very well have had a political agenda; but it doesn’t matter what any of us “think,” including the media, until all the facts are carefully evaluated.
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In a court of law, yes. But we are free to speculate - and based on the past performance of the left and Obama - I do not trust him at all.

Ishii
 
meltzerboy said:
I doubt all the loose ends will ever be tied; they seldom are in this kind of purported scandal. I agree we should attempt to get at the “truth,” wherever that may lead, including possibly exonerating the administration of wrongdoing, heaven forbid! At the same time, let’s not neglect those “other” issues facing the country, such as, I don’t know, the economy, jobs, health care, Iran, Syria, North Korea.
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An administration that can’t be trusted to treat its citizens fairly - which would use the IRS to stay in power - can’t be trusted to lead on those other issues you mention. Are you aware that the same person who oversaw the department of the IRS which targeted the Tea Party will be the director of IRS’s Obamacare office?

Ishii
 
rlg94086 said:
What in the world are you talking about?
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I’m referring to all the smiley faces you two made when I suggested that Hicks, a Democrat, might be less than truthful. You two talk as if I’ve attained some major new insight.

Probably what you said was said tongue-in-cheek, I realize.

A Democrat can be untruthful, too. There’s nothing inherently truthful or untruthful about a person just because of party label. I can’t ever remember thinking otherwise.

That’s what I was talking about.

Does that answer the question?
 
BroomWagon said:
Judge Jeannine said it right.

The Obama administration is able to get the IRS to hassle common Americans but we can’t get security to Libya even though requested for 6 months, to save our diplomat.

But she said it much better.

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Jason Chaffetz, a member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and the chairman of the Subcommittee on National Security, was voting recently to cut security-related funding for US embassies and consulates around the world.

thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/10/985191/chaffetz-absolutely-funding-embassy-security/

How seriously did HE take embassy security before these hearings began? Not much, it would appear.
 
BroomWagon said:
Judge Jeannine said it right.

The Obama administration is able to get the IRS to hassle common Americans but we can’t get security to Libya even though requested for 6 months, to save our diplomat.

But she said it much better.

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This video is definitely worth watching. Obama calls in the Marines to put an umbrella over his head (apparently a violation of protocol but when the CiC is getting his head wet protocol be da**ed) but didn’t seem to be very engaged before or during the attack. Afterward the focus was on damage control (for him) not for our Consulate or for bringing the terrorists to justice.

therightscoop.com/judge-jeanine-pirro-rips-the-obama-administration-in-another-fantastic-monologue/

Benghazi is like peeling an onion. Layer after layer of issues. Judge Jeanine really brings out the many different elements.

Lisa
 
colmywaykurtz said:
Jason Chaffetz, a member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and the chairman of the Subcommittee on National Security, was voting recently to cut security-related funding for US embassies and consulates around the world.

thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/10/985191/chaffetz-absolutely-funding-embassy-security/

How seriously did HE take embassy security before these hearings began? Not much, it would appear.
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Oh PUH-LEASE, this canard has been batted around without success. Charlene Lamb who made some of the decisions regarding Benghazi admitted that financial issues were NOT part of her decision process to refuse security.

Further MORE was spent in recent years than in past years. And finally it’s a matter of allocation of resources. If money is to be removed from the security budget, there are likely dozens of facilities in places like Switzerland that probably do not need a FEST group on standby.

Why do you try so hard to excuse irresponsible behavior? The old “well he did it too!” didn’t work for me when I was nine years old. I can’t imagine your mom was more easily fooled than mine.

Lisa
 
colmywaykurtz said:
Jason Chaffetz, a member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and the chairman of the Subcommittee on National Security, was voting recently to cut security-related funding for US embassies and consulates around the world.

thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/10/985191/chaffetz-absolutely-funding-embassy-security/

How seriously did HE take embassy security before these hearings began? Not much, it would appear.
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Yes, this is about the 3rd time this has been mentioned:
For one thing, the issue here wasn’t the available funding, but the prioritization of the available funding (the State Department miraculously has enough money for Chevy Volts [which the Obama administration also heavily subsidizes!] and charging stations at certain embassies, but not adequate security at others?); for another, as Andrew Johnson highlighted at NRO,** a State Department official confirmed in testimony last October that more money would not have prevented the attacks, via the Daily Beast at the time:**
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hotair.com/archives/2013/05/14/sen-boxers-latest-take-on-benghazi-mirror-mirror-who-cut-the-funding-for-diplomatic-security/
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Oh dear, the Think Progress article is from October of last year.
 
meltzerboy said:
It’s still alleged wrongdoing by the administration until proven otherwise. That’s the nature of American justice. I personally think the Obama administration may very well have had a political agenda; but it doesn’t matter what any of us “think,” including the media, until all the facts are carefully evaluated.
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I suspect we will never get “all of facts” as you noted above. However, I hope that witnesses are able to testify without fear of retribution. For example, isn’t it a bit odd that we have not heard from ANY of the survivors? Until this was more fully exposed, I didn’t realize that some 30 people were safely evacuated…perhaps thanks to the brave former SEALs who lost their lives in this action. Some had grave injuries but many have recovered since that time. Why have they not been interviewed?

Further the more important issue is why we have not had any success in identifying those who attacked the Consulate or brought anyone to justice. The FBI was prevented from going in for weeks…according to some because of the way we embarrassed the Libyan President who seemed to be the only one interested in finding the culprits after the attack rather than blaming the video.

I do believe that enough has come out that we know the video narrative was false. We still don’t really know who pushed this or why. So that we “think” it was for political cover is probably justified. Perhaps we will never learn the truth as Obama has hidden behind executive privilege in the past.

The funny thing, during the election many were comparing him to Carter but I thought he was far more Nixonian. He seems to be channeling Nixon these days. Perhaps this will end the same way.

Lisa
 
LisaA said:
I suspect we will never get “all of facts” as you noted above. However, I hope that witnesses are able to testify without fear of retribution. For example, isn’t it a bit odd that we have not heard from ANY of the survivors? Until this was more fully exposed, I didn’t realize that some 30 people were safely evacuated…perhaps thanks to the brave former SEALs who lost their lives in this action. Some had grave injuries but many have recovered since that time. Why have they not been interviewed?

Further the more important issue is why we have not had any success in identifying those who attacked the Consulate or brought anyone to justice. The FBI was prevented from going in for weeks…according to some because of the way we embarrassed the Libyan President who seemed to be the only one interested in finding the culprits after the attack rather than blaming the video.

I do believe that enough has come out that we know the video narrative was false. We still don’t really know who pushed this or why. So that we “think” it was for political cover is probably justified. Perhaps we will never learn the truth as Obama has hidden behind executive privilege in the past.

The funny thing, during the election many were comparing him to Carter but I thought he was far more Nixonian. He seems to be channeling Nixon these days. Perhaps this will end the same way.

Lisa
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Carter was essentially an inept president, apart from his significant brokerage of the Camp David Peace Accord and a couple of other accomplishments not generally discussed. I never cared for him when he was running for president, and his recent statements regarding Israel make him less than praiseworthy to me even now. In several ways, I think Nixon was a better president both in his foreign and domestic policies. Of course he was dishonest, to say the least, and perhaps emotionally disturbed, but we won’t hold that against him! My point is that whichever man one compares Obama to–Carter or Nixon–to my mind it is not a compliment. I hope it does not end for Obama the same way as it did for Nixon, not for Obama’s sake but for the country’s. The last thing we need now is for Congress to focus exclusively on prolonged impeachment hearings with their circus-like atmosphere, followed perhaps by the President’s resignation: we have other, more pressing issues for them to work on. That does not mean I believe we owe Obama a pass on the Benghazi tragedy or the IRS and AP incidents. All of these serious matters must be thoroughly investigated. However, I hope it does not reach the threshold of “high crimes and misdemeanors.”
 
meltzerboy said:
Carter was essentially an inept president, apart from his significant brokerage of the Camp David Peace Accord and a couple of other accomplishments not generally discussed. I never cared for him when he was running for president, and his recent statements regarding Israel make him less than praiseworthy to me even now. In several ways, I think Nixon was a better president both in his foreign and domestic policies. Of course he was dishonest, to say the least, and perhaps emotionally disturbed, but we won’t hold that against him! My point is that whichever man one compares Obama to–Carter or Nixon–to my mind it is not a compliment. I hope it does not end for Obama the same way as it did for Nixon, not for Obama’s sake but for the country’s. The last thing we need now is for Congress to focus exclusively on prolonged impeachment hearings with their circus-like atmosphere, followed perhaps by the President’s resignation: we have other, more pressing issues for them to work on. That does not mean I believe we owe Obama a pass on the Benghazi tragedy or the IRS and AP incidents. All of these serious matters must be thoroughly investigated. However, I hope it does not reach the threshold of “high crimes and misdemeanors.”
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Meltzerboy, I hope my post didn’t indicate the slightest interest in impeachment proceedings. I didn’t think Nixon’s actions or Clinton’s deserved the time, money and emotional anguish resulting from the hearings, votes, and in Nixon’s case his resignation. I also hope that whatever Obama did with respect to any of these scandals, does not rise to the level to compel impeachment.

What I WOULD like to see is accountability, transparency, and honesty. From both parties and also from the media. I firmly believe that had the media done its job, from the day Obama started running for office, we would not be in this miserable mess. He was not qualified to be President and I think he is weak and therefore basically dishonest as he tries to protect himself from his inadequate preparation and lack of qualification to run the greatest nation on earth.

The media has been the unindicted co-conspirator in all of these scandals, other than perhaps the one impacting them. The same media that couldn’t stop exploiting the horrific yet comparatively harmless actions at Abu Ghraib could not have been less interested in the terrifying and painful slaughter of Americans in Benghazi. The same media the kept pushing “Bush lied, people died” can’t seem to find the consistent “misstatements” and “inconsistencies” and “contradictions” of Obama…or as Kirsten Powers noted “He HAS to quit lying to the American people.”

Frankly I’d like to “impeach” much of the media before focusing on Obama. He is just another power hungry narcissistic idealogue…plenty more where he came from. But the media is charged with giving the American people the facts so that we can make appropriate decisions in our lives and at the ballot box. They drank the Kool Aid and now WE have the hangover.

Lisa
 
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