Destruction of the Family in the US

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Along with the willful abandonment of God’s laws by christians, the progressive agenda driven by those who seek a “Brave New World” version of society has led us to this point. What is most ironic is that the supporters of this new awakening do not realize they are being manipulated into destroying themselves and their societies. No society can survive once moral underpinnings are destroyed. This is the ultimate rejection of God. It is the final product of those who reject the belief that all morality, all judgment, and all life belongs to God, creator of the universe. They work to destroy every vestige of adherence to God’s law, supplanting true morality with man made ideals. It is the definitive end result of Adam’s sin , believing satan rather than God. And God will not be mocked. The Jews of the old testamemt continually rejected God, and their chastisements are well documented in the accounts of the Prophets. Our chastisement is at hand.
I do not buy in to the belief that America was somehow especially blessed by God, considering the founders were mostly diests using the philosophies of the enlightenment and masonic lodges. I do believe that what was established on this continent had the possibility to set a standard for the world to see of how to maintain Christian values within society. Now that is long gone. Secularism and progressivism is the new religion in this country. It will not last. It is said that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. We have all the history needed to see how immorality destroys societies, and yet here we are.
Pray for the Grace to persevere the coming age. Pray that God will send the Holy Spirit to correct the lost, confused souls who are being led to destruction. Pray that our Bishops and Priests wil stand up and proclaim the Truth!
 
Along with the willful abandonment of God’s laws by christians, the progressive agenda driven by those who seek a “Brave New World” version of society has led us to this point. What is most ironic is that the supporters of this new awakening do not realize they are being manipulated into destroying themselves and their societies. No society can survive once moral underpinnings are destroyed. This is the ultimate rejection of God. It is the final product of those who reject the belief that all morality, all judgment, and all life belongs to God, creator of the universe. They work to destroy every vestige of adherence to God’s law, supplanting true morality with man made ideals. It is the definitive end result of Adam’s sin , believing satan rather than God. And God will not be mocked. The Jews of the old testamemt continually rejected God, and their chastisements are well documented in the accounts of the Prophets. Our chastisement is at hand.
I do not buy in to the belief that America was somehow especially blessed by God, considering the founders were mostly diests using the philosophies of the enlightenment and masonic lodges. I do believe that what was established on this continent had the possibility to set a standard for the world to see of how to maintain Christian values within society. Now that is long gone. Secularism and progressivism is the new religion in this country. It will not last. It is said that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. We have all the history needed to see how immorality destroys societies, and yet here we are.
Pray for the Grace to persevere the coming age. Pray that God will send the Holy Spirit to correct the lost, confused souls who are being led to destruction. Pray that our Bishops and Priests wil stand up and proclaim the Truth!
Progressives usually want sin and immorality legalized and accepted.

No, we are not all secularists or “progressives” as I’ve defined. Each one of us has a part to play.

Some of us realize we are being manipulated by a mostly compliant media. We must be able to say ‘this is right and this is wrong’ and explain why. This is classic Psychological Warfare. Basically, a mixture of facts, half truths and lies. We must understand this is happening. And the other primary ingredient is using words designed to create false compassion for the wrong thing, and to make the targets - that’s us - feel badly or negative. The truth is the truth – always.

Ed
 
Progressives usually want sin and immorality legalized and accepted.

No, we are not all secularists or “progressives” as I’ve defined. Each one of us has a part to play.

Some of us realize we are being manipulated by a mostly compliant media. We must be able to say ‘this is right and this is wrong’ and explain why. This is classic Psychological Warfare. Basically, a mixture of facts, half truths and lies. We must understand this is happening. And the other primary ingredient is using words designed to create false compassion for the wrong thing, and to make the targets - that’s us - feel badly or negative. The truth is the truth – always.

Ed
Yes, so true. The problem is fully and completely discerning the truth. The more broadly the rules and regulations are the try to explain how the truth applies in almost all human endeavors, the more likely the process will fail.

Christ’s message was simple and straightforward. The instructions for personal salvation and then with it, the methods to walk down ones own personal pathway to holiness are rather easily described. The core family and then core local church communities of families are the key to it all. The more that Ceasar is engaged, and asked to help, mandate, whatever, the higher the risk that it all be lost … especially when Ceasar is there to accomodate diversity among his population.

Now it seems the only Christian segment of growth is the fudamentalist churches. They preach salvations simple message, with Christian morals at their core. They also seem th thrive best in small church communities that keep the core message but adapt here and there to the local group.

I am really happy to note that Pope Francis is urging all we Catholics to re-embrace the basic message, and evangalize like the fundamentalists. I hope it is not to late.
 
For me the questions are like this: Do you wish to be happily married for life? Do you wish to be sober? If so, then the Gospel (power of God) will make you grow?

It is not: have you done bad things in the past?

The Gospel empowers all people and then we can grow in keeping the commandments to Love God, Self and Neighbors.
 
OK so here is the list so far. Any other items that I have missed?

1930 Lambeth Conference where the Anglican Church reversed the 1920 conference’s rejection of contraception. Most major Christian groups followed over the next 40 years.

1935 FDR creates social security. Americans begin to depend on governments providing needs instead of having to work for them.

1938 A judge lifts the federal ban on birth control.

1960 The first oral contraceptive was approved by the US FDA for contraception.

1963 Publication of “The Feminine Mystique” which helped jump start second wave feminism. Mrs. Friedman later went on to help found NOW, National Organization of Women. It is not that her book outright rejected marriage, but tended to push an idea that women shouldn’t settle for being mothers.

1963 The United States Supreme Court abolished state-sponsored prayer in public schools.

1965 The United States Supreme Court gives married couples the right to use birth control.

1968 US FDA approves intrauterine devices (IUDs) for contraception.

1969 California is the first U.S. state to adopt “no-fault” divorces in the United States, other states would soon follow.

1970- Congress enacts Title X of the Public Health Services Act, providing funding for family planning services, educational programs, and research. The White House Conference on Children recommends “consumer-determined, publicly funded programs of 1) family life, sex and population education and, 2) voluntary family planning services and safe abortion, available for all.”

1972 The United States Supreme Court legalizes birth control for all citizens, initiating rampant promiscuity in the US. Female reproductive self-control was seen as essential for full economic independence from men.

1973 The United States Supreme Court legalizes abortion, the legalized killing of our children begins.

1973 Pressure from insurance carriers that had to pay for treatments and the development of a politically active gay community in the United States, leads the Board of Directors of the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. (Declasified as a mental disorder.)

1975 Video Cassette Recorders (VCRs) are introduced to the mass market allowing for pornography to be viewed in privacy of the home, greatly reducing the shame and stigma attached to obtaining porn, and lowered the barrier to entry, not to mention making it increasingly accessible to younger and younger children.

1993, CERN announced that the World Wide Web would be free to anyone, with no fees allowing for even greater access to pornography.

1998- Viagra, a drug for treating erectile dysfunction, explodes on the market, again focusing on the availability of sex without responsibility.

2000 The first abortion pill was approved for use in the United States by the US FDA.

2003 The United States Supreme Court reversed the constitutionality of sodomy laws, invalidating sodomy laws in the last remaining states.

2015 The United States Supreme Court legalizes same sex marriage, redefining what marriage has meant for thousands of years.
 
OK so here is the list so far. Any other items that I have missed?

1930 Lambeth Conference where the Anglican Church reversed the 1920 conference’s rejection of contraception. Most major Christian groups followed over the next 40 years.

1935 FDR creates social security. Americans begin to depend on governments providing needs instead of having to work for them.

1938 A judge lifts the federal ban on birth control.

1960 The first oral contraceptive was approved by the US FDA for contraception.

1963 Publication of “The Feminine Mystique” which helped jump start second wave feminism. Mrs. Friedman later went on to help found NOW, National Organization of Women. It is not that her book outright rejected marriage, but tended to push an idea that women shouldn’t settle for being mothers.

1963 The United States Supreme Court abolished state-sponsored prayer in public schools.

1965 The United States Supreme Court gives married couples the right to use birth control.

1968 US FDA approves intrauterine devices (IUDs) for contraception.

1969 California is the first U.S. state to adopt “no-fault” divorces in the United States, other states would soon follow.

1970- Congress enacts Title X of the Public Health Services Act, providing funding for family planning services, educational programs, and research. The White House Conference on Children recommends “consumer-determined, publicly funded programs of 1) family life, sex and population education and, 2) voluntary family planning services and safe abortion, available for all.”

1972 The United States Supreme Court legalizes birth control for all citizens, initiating rampant promiscuity in the US. Female reproductive self-control was seen as essential for full economic independence from men.

1973 The United States Supreme Court legalizes abortion, the legalized killing of our children begins.

1973 Pressure from insurance carriers that had to pay for treatments and the development of a politically active gay community in the United States, leads the Board of Directors of the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. (Declasified as a mental disorder.)

1975 Video Cassette Recorders (VCRs) are introduced to the mass market allowing for pornography to be viewed in privacy of the home, greatly reducing the shame and stigma attached to obtaining porn, and lowered the barrier to entry, not to mention making it increasingly accessible to younger and younger children.

1993, CERN announced that the World Wide Web would be free to anyone, with no fees allowing for even greater access to pornography.

1998- Viagra, a drug for treating erectile dysfunction, explodes on the market, again focusing on the availability of sex without responsibility.

2000 The first abortion pill was approved for use in the United States by the US FDA.

2003 The United States Supreme Court reversed the constitutionality of sodomy laws, invalidating sodomy laws in the last remaining states.

2015 The United States Supreme Court legalizes same sex marriage, redefining what marriage has meant for thousands of years.
Excellent List! One might ponder about the realative inability for Christian Religions to “hold their families together as well”. Perhaps we have just missed the core message of Families in general, and “tainted” that message by including artificial birth control in the same context as sodomy, SSM, or abortion?

Families are nutured by Parents and Church. If both are comitted to the raising of kids in a nuturing way, with emphasis on Christ’s teachings of service, then regardless of other distractions, families should remain relatively intact.

From my 63 years of perspective (43 years married to one women), men and women have become ever less prepared for marriage commitment, once they decide to marry. Yes, the secular world will try to minimize the importance of marriage and commitement…but we the people of the Church should be working to emphasize helping families grow and mature. Should our Church’s focus become Families? Should we really stress programs that help new couples through the first years of marriage and child rearing.

I wonder if this focus might just be a way we can fight the losses seen in the secular world.
 
For a Catholic Christian, I believe that it is the Power of God (GOSPEL) the empowers us to live the Sacrament of Matrimony.

GOSPEL!
 
Excellent List! One might ponder about the realative inability for Christian Religions to “hold their families together as well”. Perhaps we have just missed the core message of Families in general, and “tainted” that message by including artificial birth control in the same context as sodomy, SSM, or abortion?

Families are nutured by Parents and Church. If both are comitted to the raising of kids in a nuturing way, with emphasis on Christ’s teachings of service, then regardless of other distractions, families should remain relatively intact.

From my 63 years of perspective (43 years married to one women), men and women have become ever less prepared for marriage commitment, once they decide to marry. Yes, the secular world will try to minimize the importance of marriage and commitement…but we the people of the Church should be working to emphasize helping families grow and mature. Should our Church’s focus become Families? Should we really stress programs that help new couples through the first years of marriage and child rearing.

I wonder if this focus might just be a way we can fight the losses seen in the secular world.
Our diocese is starting a new marriage preparation/mentoring program this year. In the course of preparation the couples are paired with established married couples to help them understand their roles as individuals, partners and parents within the scope of the sacramental marriage covenant. I do hope that it helps with the issues that you have so rightly pointed out.

God bless
 
Progressives usually want sin and immorality legalized and accepted.

No, we are not all secularists or “progressives” as I’ve defined. Each one of us has a part to play.

Some of us realize we are being manipulated by a mostly compliant media. We must be able to say ‘this is right and this is wrong’ and explain why. This is classic Psychological Warfare. Basically, a mixture of facts, half truths and lies. We must understand this is happening. And the other primary ingredient is using words designed to create false compassion for the wrong thing, and to make the targets - that’s us - feel badly or negative. The truth is the truth – always.

Ed
Ed, I can’t find your post concerning the definition of progressives you are using. Can you please point me in the right direction. Thanks:o**
 
Ed, I can’t find your post concerning the definition of progressives you are using. Can you please point me in the right direction. Thanks:o**
It’s in the first sentence of the post you quoted.

Best,
Ed
 
Let’s look at the core of the current crisis starting at the mid-1960s.

In order to convince people, especially Christians, was to gradually change their thinking in subtle ways and with lofty or worthy sounding goals and with words that would touch them emotionally, at first. The ground has to be cultivated first with bits of lies that seem to sound reasonable. Keep in mind, since I was there I knew American society was far more trusting of its leaders, its institutions and its experts. But the ground had to be cultivated and prepared first. You can’t get people thinking the wrong things overnight about the family, or the negative reaction would shut down the anti-family campaign quickly. Slow and gentle was the way - at first.

1966 The National Organization for Women is founded. Among its founders is Betty Friedan who would compare the family to “a comfortable concentration camp.” It exists today, just go to now.org

1967 Yes, The Pill was approved by the FDA in 1960, but the marketing push began in the April 7, 1967 cover story by Time magazine about The Pill. The word Freedom would always be the most abused term, but, at the time, people trusted Time magazine more.

content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,843551,00.html

“Contraception: Freedom from Fear.” Fear of what? That “bundle of joy,” that “gift from God”? That’s right - babies are now the subject of fear.

Meanwhile, young people on their way to Catholic institutions of higher learning, did not know about the ‘freedom’ coming for them and their young minds, and what it meant for the future. Again, the wrong kind of ‘freedom.’

catholichistory.net/Events/LandOLakesStatement.htm

1968 After hearing from his advisers regarding their thoughts about artificial contraception, Pope Paul VI decides not to follow their advice and affirms constant Church teaching against artificial contraception by having Humanae Vitae published. The reaction was swift and the 5 year plan was put into full motion.

"Within 24 hours, in an event unprecedented in the history of the Church, [bolding added] more than 200 dissenting theologians signed a full-page ad in The New York Times in protest. Not only did they declare their disagreement with encyclical’s teaching; they went one step further, far beyond their authority as theologians, and actually encouraged dissent among the lay faithful.

"They asserted the following: “Therefore, as Roman Catholic theologians, conscious of our duty and our limitations, we conclude that spouses may responsibly decide according to their conscience that artificial contraception in some circumstances is permissible and indeed necessary to preserve and foster the values and sacredness of marriage.”

Source: Regnum Christi

1969 The ultimate form of contraception was the next lie to be sold. NARAL, or the National Abortion Rights Action League, is founded. Thanks to Dr. Bernard Nathanson, who was part of the Planning Committee, the tactics and methods used to sell abortion to the American people are now known.

catholicnewsagency.com/resources/abortion/articles-and-addresses/an-ex-abortionist-speaks/

Did we know? No. Not at the time.

1970 Now, how to make people think about sex a lot more? Well, in 1968, about the worst you could legally do was Playboy, and the local liquor store that sold a few ‘girlie’ magazines behind the counter. Now, millions of dollars of expensive printing, hiring prostitutes, photographers, leasing or renting buildings and Adult Bookstores appear everywhere. Distribution has to be in place, employees hired. Who did all this?

You go from partially nude to nude women to graphic photos and films of sex acts. And let’s turn some regular bars into topless bars and open strip - gentlemen’s -clubs. It’s legal so it must be OK or that’s the lie you told yourself when you walked in. I did.

1971 Let’s start spreading the lies a bit further and cause conflict and confusion among the sexes. Ms. magazine (yes, that’s where that divisive word comes from) is co-founded by radical feminist Gloria Steinem who said, “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.” The Women’s Liberation Movement is here. You should hate being a housewife or a mother. Men, all men, are the enemy, including those men running the Catholic Church. “Sisters! Throw off the chains of your oppression!” What is the proper role for women? Get power! You are in charge! Get a high-powered career! Forget kids. Or, if YOU want them, leave them at Day Care, and when they’re old enough, give them a key. 18 and out. Or abortion.

Those “male chauvenist pigs” – that’s us, guys – only want to treat you like sex objects. They don’t care. It’s time for you to take advantage of men and get sex from who you want on your terms.

1972 A nice sounding and pleasant woman appears on TV. She explains why women should have legal abortions. I watch and I’m confused. Why would a woman want this, aside from cases of rape or incest? That’s what I heard. I couldn’t believe it.

1973 The US Supreme Court, not the people, citing “penumbras” and “emanations” from the Constitution, legalize abortion. I’m sick to my stomach. I feel betrayed. There was also mention of a vague “right to privacy,” but Jane Roe, whose real name is Norma McCorvey, never got an abortion. She is a Catholic now.

As a priest said on Catholic Radio, “Things went nuts.” in seminaries in the 1970s. As a priest stated here, they were taught Humanae Vitae in Seminary but were left with the impression that the Church would change its teaching about artificial contraception someday. Too many priests would later tell their parishioners who asked about artificial contraception that ‘it was a personal conscience matter.’ That’s changed.

continued…
 
1973 Under pressure from radical gay activists and closeted gays within, the American Psychiatric Associations holds a non-scientific vote to reclassify homosexuality in its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual. What was a disorder yesterday became not a disorder the following day.

amazon.com/Homosexuality-American-Psychiatry-Politics-Diagnosis/dp/0691028370

Meanwhile, in the late 1960s, first in the movies and later on TV, in the '70s, the volume is gradually turned up on sexual situations, followed by the music, followed by profanity, all before the internet.

The 5 year plan launched where we are today.

Ed
 
1973 Under pressure from radical gay activists and closeted gays within, the American Psychiatric Associations holds a non-scientific vote to reclassify homosexuality in its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual. What was a disorder yesterday became not a disorder the following day.

amazon.com/Homosexuality-American-Psychiatry-Politics-Diagnosis/dp/0691028370

Ed
Meanwhile, in the late 1960s, first in the movies and later on TV, in the '70s, the volume is gradually turned up on sexual situations, followed by the music, followed by profanity, all before the internet.

The 5 year plan launched where we are today.

All of the posts above correctly identify many of the causes that resulted in the effect of decline in the American Family moral lifestyle.

But, what is underlying all of this, is the REJECTION by both men and women regarding how to raise Children. Regardless of Religious affiliation, the NATURAL order is for a child to be raised by its biological mother and father…at least for the Human Being Species.

When that commitment waned (beaten down by many of the issues noted in other posts), it was/is the beginning of the end. It matters not if one is Poor or Rich, Healthy or Sick, Oppressed or Free…the family unit has always throughout history persevered.

The number one change for those living in relative Poverty, was the Government Entitlement handouts. Why? Because in the early years of Welfare, fathers were encouraged NOT to live with mothers as the payout was higher for single moms. That one HUGH financial incentive drove those families apart. All the other caused mentioned, then piled on.

I am 63 years old and it was painful to live through that cycle of time.
In the world of the “better to well off”, the divorce Child Support and Child Visitation rights should have acted as a barrier to splitting the families. Instead, it created tremendous tension and stress between the father and mother. Those emotional stresses in most cases have torn apart the ability for them to reconcile…first in terms of caring for children together, and second for they themselves to have a chance to reunite.

Artificial birth control to mange family size (not stop all births), and expanded secular immodesty did not necessarily need to reduce the family units effectiveness. There are examples where Faith Based Families are thriving as proof.

Nevertheless…it “is what it is” today, and one can only pray that somehow we can reestablish family unity by working with young couples to establish the “old methods” of accountability and responnsibiity as Christian birth parents.
 
I would kindly ask for all to remain on the subject at hand, which is the erosion of the Family in the US, and the causes that have created this throughout the years.

Thanks,
Thank you for your list and the chance for all of us to consider all the elements that have led to the destruction of the family, the basic building block of society. I see lots of posters on here who are obsessing only about their personal hot button issue. That is another issue that is leading us down the path to destruction of the family as God intended it to be. Moral relativism has so infiltrated our world and damaged our ability to do critical thinking on this very important issue. No longer able to see the forest for the trees, each person’s personal agenda will not allow them to think this very large issue through and see it in perspective of the damage done to society as a whole. History is a great teacher.
 
1973 Under pressure from radical gay activists and closeted gays within, the American Psychiatric Associations holds a non-scientific vote to reclassify homosexuality in its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual. What was a disorder yesterday became not a disorder the following day.

amazon.com/Homosexuality-American-Psychiatry-Politics-Diagnosis/dp/0691028370

Meanwhile, in the late 1960s, first in the movies and later on TV, in the '70s, the volume is gradually turned up on sexual situations, followed by the music, followed by profanity, all before the internet.

The 5 year plan launched where we are today.

Ed
Thanks for all that Ed! Mind if I quote some of your commentary?
 
Thank you for your list and the chance for all of us to consider all the elements that have led to the destruction of the family, the basic building block of society. I see lots of posters on here who are obsessing only about their personal hot button issue. That is another issue that is leading us down the path to destruction of the family as God intended it to be. Moral relativism has so infiltrated our world and damaged our ability to do critical thinking on this very important issue. No longer able to see the forest for the trees, each person’s personal agenda will not allow them to think this very large issue through and see it in perspective of the damage done to society as a whole. History is a great teacher.
This!

I also see a whole new attack on the meaning of words. Such as Dogs are people to.?? Really?
 
Please forgive my repetition: As a Catholic Christian, we need to proclaim that it is the Gospel (Power of God to Save) that enables us to have a loving, beautiful family.

It is not the written law, the American law or lack of law, it is the Power of God to save.

It is God’s law written on the hearts of all peoples.
 
Thank you for your list and the chance for all of us to consider all the elements that have led to the destruction of the family, the basic building block of society. I see lots of posters on here who are obsessing only about their personal hot button issue. That is another issue that is leading us down the path to destruction of the family as God intended it to be. Moral relativism has so infiltrated our world and damaged our ability to do critical thinking on this very important issue. No longer able to see the forest for the trees, each person’s personal agenda will not allow them to think this very large issue through and see it in perspective of the damage done to society as a whole. History is a great teacher.
In the late 1960s, people dressed as Hippies and Anarchists lived with their girlfriends. I heard the following from a Hippie friend of mine: “I don’t need no piece uh paper tuh live with my old lady.” They rejected their parents, the Church, and legitimate authorities, and used illegal drugs. Smoke dope. Porn is good. “Don’t trust anyone over 30!” Marriage meant nothing.

In the 1970s, right off the Wayne State University campus, I walked into a bookstore and it was filled, floor to ceiling, with books about Eastern mysticism. As long as it wasn’t Christian, it was OK. My Hippie friend also referred to fornication as performing “natural acts.” And the foundational idea was sex, sex and more sex – with anybody. “Hey, man. If it feels good, do it.”

Right and wrong? No. “Do your own thing.” Whatever it was, it was OK. This took decades of being portrayed in movies and on TV to poison us as a people. The poison was gradually dripped into our veins. And listen to the opening song to Family Guy, which mentions “those values on which we used to rely.” They knew exactly what they were doing.

Like frogs in pots on the stove, we started out in pots of cool water, then it got warmer, and a little warmer, and warmer… and now it’s boiling. With sexual and other sins. And people ask: “How did it all change?” Al Kresta on Catholic Radio tells us that “Catholics are suffering through 40 years of amnesia.” What caused that? Nothing?

We better realize what the causes were NOW. No more dope. No more sex with anybody. No more porn. No more, “I think I found an exception to the rules!” meaning what the Church has ALWAYS told us was right and wrong.

But bad habits are hard to break, I understand. But it’s time to start. It’s time to work against sin, and I include myself, in our lives. Taking the “easy way” as proposed by the radicals was the wrong way. Today is NOT better than 40 years ago. If we don’t get that then things will continue to influence us in a bad way. That TV show about walking dead? Game of thrones? We’re supposed to justify that? Act as if it can fill our minds and not affect us? Wake up, please. Stop thinking about those things that are bad, wrong and spiritually harmful.

Ed
 
It’s in the first sentence of the post you quoted.

Best,
Ed
Thanks Ed.

I cannot rationally believe that Progressives have always wanted to legitimise sin. Maybe we are talking past each other and are not using the same meaning for the word, progressive. Throughout recent history the progressive movement helped outlaw child labor, women’s suffrage, the Civil Rights Movement, and equal pay issues - where is the sin here? St. Pope John XXIII realized that in order for the Church too stay revelent in a swiftly changing world that VII was necessary. Papa Francis advocated for the USA and Cuba to once again form diplomatic relations. He also wrote a brilliant treatise on the environment and our duty to protect it. Was Pope Francis being progressive when he brought these matters too the forefront for the world to ponder? I think, without a doubt he was.

The events of the 1960’s trouble you greatly, Ed, I get that, but not every progressive idea or development has to do with the explosion of sex, drugs and Rock-n-roll ( LOL!) that happened in the mid sixties. The assassinations and the Vietnam War played greatly into the culture of that time. Things were changing so quickly that we were all caught up in the whirlwind. Just my 2 cents on the progressive movement being evil. Hope your weather in SoCal is better than ours up Interstate 5!!!:rolleyes:
 
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