Brendan:
The Church can only declare what She is told.
That’s a dangerous statement…do you really think every infallible statement that the Church has made has been handed to it directly by God? The Church doesn’t
absolutely require some special revelation in order to make an infallible statement or faith or morals.
The most important thing we really have to remember here is that the Church’s authority on such matters is under the Divine protection and guidance of the Holy Spirit; if that person really
wasn’t in Hell (or Heaven), then the Church would not be able to declare them so. But that doesn’t mean that the Church
doesn’t have the ability to do such a thing; it’s the same power, simply a form of it that has never been used, and most likely (hopefully) never will be.
Brendan:
How exactly would this commuinication would occur from God to Church in the case of someone in Hell?
Should exactly how would the Church be told infallibly that a particular person is in Hell?
Of course I don’t
know the answer. But I can give you a couple of ideas: Perhaps God reveals it to the Church through a vision given to some saint living on Earth. Perhaps He somehow reveals it through one of the apparitions of His Blessed Mother. Perhaps He directly reveals it Himself…He could do it absolutely any way that He chose to.
Or perhaps He simply chooses to reveals it through His Bride, the Church. Perhaps there’s an investigation, and the Church determines that it is
highly likely that a given person is in Hell. (I can already tell you that certain people genuinely possessed by demons have claimed to be under the influence of Judas and Hitler, among others…of course it still
could be a lie, but it’s interesting to consider nevertheless.) If the Church ever
did perform such an investigation, and then proceeed to proclaim it infallibly, then we would
know that the Holy Spirit has protected and guided that judgement. And there you have it…one
very realistic way that God could easily reveal us this sort of truth: through His Bride, the Church.
Myangel:
This is what I was taught also. Everything that is not Heaven is hell, including Purgatory and Limbo (temporary) and then there was eternal Hell.
For the sake of simplicity, the answer is
no. On a
technical note, however, you
could be correct if you re-define the terms “Hell” (uppercase) and “hell” (lowercase) separately…but I think that’s just playing word games. Hell (the one and only real
Hell) is the state of eternal separation from God. This life is not Hell; neither is Purgatory or Limbo (Abraham’s Bosom).
The only thing like that that you really
could make a case for is the assertion that
this life is really a form of Purgatory: if we don’t suffer temporal punishment for our sins now and learn to let go of our attatchment to sin, then we have to continue that same purifying process in some other form (after our death) before we can enter Heaven.
Spyder1jcd:
You don’t have to be a skeptic to not believe in Adam and Eve. I’m a practicing Catholic and I see it as just a myth. I mean, if you compare the story to other creation myths from other cultures, you will find that they are equally fantastical. The same applies to stories such as Noah’s ark and the Tower of Babel.
Personally, I’m an intelligent evolution man.
I would also consider myself an “intelligent evolution man”…but that doesn’t change the fact that Adam and Eve were real people, or that Noah’s Flood is the account of a real historical event. Even the Tower of Babel is (more or less literally) the record of a real historical event.
But seriously, can we move this discussion to another thread? It’s
way off topic…
