Disturbing Night At Youth Mass! Please Read

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Samboy,

How do you answer the passages I cited in the Catechism which talk about the CELEBRATION of the Christian Mystery. No one is denying the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, but rather illustrating that it is one of many meanings of the Mass. Re-read your Catechism and answer my argumenst as opposed to just spouting off some of your baseless opinions.
 
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samboy:
hmmmmm I was wondering when you were going to figure it out!

Holy is Holy - When something is Holy you can not deny it! I don’t have to judge - I can see!

If a person steals my car … can I judge (call) him to be a thief?
NEWS FLASH SAM:
The masses are now in the native toungue,
the priest now faces the congregration,
there are female alter servers, readers, cantors, ushers
the Eucharist is distributed by Lay people,
People actually TOUCH the eucharist and it’s taken by hand
Catholics are actually encouraged to read the bible.
Catholics are also directed, by JP2 to Evangelize.
Nuns no longer run the Church School.

And just in case you missed it, we no longer have segregated bathrooms or drinking fountains.
 
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Meggie:
Some attend Daily Mass…FYI

Infact of the 6 or 7 daily massgoers on my camups that are teens…all of them had a stedy youth group 5 were in lifeteen or greatly affiliated with it.

Thats a good track record if you ask me.
If you ask me that track record stinks!!!

You might want to review a few historical statitics!

Your track record can’t even compare!
 
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dhgray:
NEWS FLASH SAM:
The masses are now in the native toungue,
the priest now faces the congregration,
there are female alter servers, readers, cantors, ushers
the Eucharist is distributed by Lay people,
People actually TOUCH the eucharist and it’s taken by hand
Catholics are actually encouraged to read the bible.
Catholics are also directed, by JP2 to Evangelize.
Nuns no longer run the Church School.
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LOL!!!

And the above makes them holy … RIGHT!

People actually touching the Eurcharist - Yah that’s holy alright!

Thanks for pointing these out! LOL
 
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samboy:
LOL!!!

And the above makes them holy … RIGHT!

People actually touching the Eurcharist - Yah that’s holy alright!

Thanks for pointing these out! LOL
Samboy, could you please help me? What do you mean by Holy? How do you know when something is holy?
 
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Llane:
Samboy, could you please help me? What do you mean by Holy? How do you know when something is holy?
It’s Holy only when :bowdown: Lord Sam says it’s Holy.
 
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samboy:
If you ask me that track record stinks!!!

You might want to review a few historical statitics!

Your track record can’t even compare!
Show me them…

I am talking about a college campus in this Era, Sam…when society tells most people not to go to church at all.
 
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dhgray:
It’s Holy only when :bowdown: Lord Sam says it’s Holy.
Have no fear Meggie - I find this rather funny LOL!

"And then , lastly, there was the greatest sorrow of the Son of God - The consciousness that in that hour the great sin of the world had been accomplished: that man had laid hands upon God, that after thousands of years of sin and of rebellion, he had overtaken Him at last. The divine presence being out of the reach of man, God had become incarnate. At last God was made man- God came into the midst of men - God was within the reach of the arms of men; and they laid hands upon Him, they scourged Him, they blashphemed Him, and they put Him to death. The world MURDERED its own Maker, and sinners slew their own Redeemer. The world shed the Blood of God; it stained itself, and imprecated upon itself the Blood of the Divine Innocent.

He foresaw in that hour the multitude of souls that, notwithstanding the shedding of His Precious Blood, would NEVER be saved - the redeemed souls, who shall go down alive into Hell - souls in multitudes who should never hear His name, and would yet sin against Him - souls in multitudes, still worse, who having heard His name would still sin against Him - souls on whom He had poured out the grace of His Holy Spirit, and who nevertheless would do despite to Him, and perish impenitent, and go down, like the leaves in autumn, countless in their multitude, into eternal death. All these sorrow, these mental sorrow, which in prophecy were before Him all His lifetime, rose at last to their fullness, and inundated the Sacred Heart in the hour of His Passion. But there is still one more part of this suffering. He might well say on the Cross, “My friends, My friends, why have you forsaken Me?” but His true desolation was this, that He had to cry, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”

And to what reverence do we show THIS! - We have the nerve to believe that unconsecrated hands are worthy to touch the Body of Christ! …

Llane - I would not hesitate to believe that you do not recognize holy because you have not seen it
 
At least Jesus loves us, no matter what. Good thing about about that whole unconditional love thing is that we can never F things up too much.

For such a strong Catholic, samboy seems to be protesting a lot about the Catholic Church these days 😉 How about we talk more about evangelism instead of destroying our witness to Christ’s saving power by fighting among ourselves?

That’s my two cents…
 
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LouisvilleCards:
At least Jesus loves us, no matter what. Good thing about about that whole unconditional love thing is that we can never F things up too much.

For such a strong Catholic, samboy seems to be protesting a lot about the Catholic Church these days 😉 How about we talk more about evangelism instead of destroying our witness to Christ’s saving power by fighting among ourselves?

That’s my two cents…
if samboy is not careful with his protesting he will be more protestant than the protestants , they also tell the one true church it is not holy
 
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samboy:
He foresaw in that hour the multitude of souls that, notwithstanding the shedding of His Precious Blood, would NEVER be saved - the redeemed souls, who shall go down alive into Hell - … He might well say on the Cross, “My friends, My friends, why have you forsaken Me?” but His true desolation was this, that He had to cry, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”
That was a different perspective on what Christ’s experience was like just before he died that I haven’t heard before… I haven’t allowed time to for it fully soak in, but my immediate response is that the beginning of Psalm 22 is not “My friends, My friends, why have you forsaken Me?” The Psalm addresses God. I just read Psalm 22 the other day… not sure if I had read it before. It’s very powerful… it’s essentially the Passion story written a millenium before Christ walked on earth (according to the dates of King David’s reign reported by newadvent.org). Quoting the first line of a Psalm was like a shortcut for quoting the whole Psalm because Jews back then knew the Psalms by heart. Even though Jesus’ question sounds like all hope is lost, when you read Psalm 22 you’ll find that the truth is exactly the opposite :amen:

However, I don’t want to take away from what samboy said… Jesus certainly knew that millions of souls would still reject Him despite the perfect love shown by His crucifixion and the miracle of His resurrection. I could see how “My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?” has even more meaning taken in that perspective. Psalm 22 certainly isn’t the only and final answer.
 
A wise young lady once told me:
You celebrate coming in,
you celebrate the readings,
you join in the sacrifice,
then you celebrate the sacrifice,
its a celebration to join the sacrifice.
 
I’m a 23 year old lady and I’m not a big fan of youth masses, we have them all the time at my church, I just don’t go.

However, everyone has their own way of being with Jesus, I beleive there is a time and a place for that sort of thing. If kids want that, then they shoudl be allowed it. Frankly, I wish they’d bring back Latin masses for those who want them.

Mind you, I do go to charasmatic camps and the like, they’re good for a spiritual fill up.
 
I’ve been to a handful of Life Teen masses, and have found them extraordinarily irreverent and raucous. I also noted with tremendous discomfort that the Life Teen priest never said the Creed. He just skipped it and went right into an elaborate lovey-dovey sign of peace. If you avoid saying the Creed, maybe you don’t subscribe to it. eh?

I’ve also been to some very, very large public liturgies with a cardinal celebrating mass, and they were reverent and uplifting, despite the noise and confusion. It CAN be done right!
 
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dhgray:
http://kisrael.com/journal.aux/2004.01.27.popedance.jpg
Break-dancers
perform for the pope
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HEY LORD SAM … is this Holy???
Lay off of Samboy, dhgray. And no, it wouldn’t be ‘holy’ if done during the Mass.

Have you never found a place that just felt Holy? Ever had a moment in your life when you felt the presence of God? Don’t give me the line that ‘God is present everywhere and always’ either. I know that. BUT there are times and places that are undeniably closer to God than others…and there are places where he is absent (a crackhouse anyone…?).

My Wife converted to the Faith (she was a Baptist) BECAUSE she found something Holy in the Mass. Something that she didn’t find in Baptist churches. Yes, contemporary music draws people to the church (esp. the young), but it shouldn’t be necessary.

The Mass is holy because of what it is. The Mass I attend has no music whatsoever (last Mass on Sunday nights), and is as ‘Holy’ as the ones with an organ and choir.

I will submit that contemporary instruments can be perfectly fine at the Mass, but most of the time I have seen them used, they turn the band and choir into the stars of the show. If you are going to mass for the music, you’re there for the wrong reason. One of our local parishes does a guitar mass with guitars and tamborines…it seems more like a hippy party than Mass at times.
 
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samboy:
That’s funny - I clearly recall some mentioning that they go to a “celebration” not a Sacrifice.

Celebration is for Protestants! … And is NOT Holy
Yes the Mass was called a celebration. However, no one said it was not a sacrifice. Why do you consider the two mutually exclusive when the Catechism doesn’t?

Since you didn’t answer my other other question, I’ll answer it for you. Eucharist literally means “thanksgiving.”
 
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Tallow:
I also noted with tremendous discomfort that the Life Teen priest never said the Creed.
This is a legitimate issue that can be addressed. The creed must be said at the Sunday Mass. The LT mass I went to had the creed.
 
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