So within Catholic teaching, which of them can be compromised?
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gracepoole
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It isn’t a question of removing any of them. But a few could be added.
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MagdalenaRita
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What would you add?
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gracepoole
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Torture. In vitro.
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pnewton
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Defrauding workers, oppressing the foreigner or marginalized (Two of the four sins that cry to Heaven, by the way.
When I read that post that started, “On one hand,…” I realized that someone was too blind to see what the sides really are. If one presents two sides, it is misleading to present the negative of one side and the positive of the other. How stupid does he think the readers her are?
When I read that post that started, “On one hand,…” I realized that someone was too blind to see what the sides really are. If one presents two sides, it is misleading to present the negative of one side and the positive of the other. How stupid does he think the readers her are?
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adgloriam
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I would honestly have overlooked that without some afterthought.
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yankeesouth
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It’s the seamless garment nonsense, otherwise known as 'how liberals negotiate the teachings of Jesus and ‘form’ their conscience to vote for pro abortion politicians. Thankfully enough Faithful Catholics saw through that nonsense and we now have a Pro Life President and administration.
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This is insulting and lacking in charity. The teaching of a constant ethic of life may not be something you assent to, but you have no business or right calling it foolish. Also, you do not get to define what is a faithful Catholic based on your personal politics.
http://www.usccb.org/about/pro-life-activities/pastoral-plan-prolife-activities.cfm
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Practical examples?
How exactly does this pertain to the last few presidential elections?
How did this alter your vote?
Same questions…
Practical examples?
How does it pertain to the presidential election?
How did this principle alter your vote?
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adgloriam
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A stretch of the imagination.
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pnewton
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The question was what more non-negotiable items could be added, so I added a few, specifically the ones that have been traditionally taught as sins that cry to Heaven. I am not going to re-hash the last presidential election, especially for those who cannot see how oppressing the foreigner applies.
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It certainly might impact my vote when, for example, a candidate has publicly expressed support for the expanded use of torture, as Trump did. It certainly might impact my vote when, for example, a candidate has publicly expressed support for in vitro fertilization, as Romney did.
You misunderstand.
I do not wish to rehash presidential elections, I want to understand what exactly you would add to these non-negotiables and how exactly that is practically applied.
The 5 non-negotiables purport to assist people in casting votes. So the additions also must also play this same role…if they are not applied in a similar manner, then they really are not treated the same way and are really not additional items.
And if that would lead you to not vote for the candidate, OK.
But I have found many presenting these type of arguments that turn around and vote for candidates that support abortion, gay marriage, etc.
The way I see it, if these non-negotiables lead one to vote against Trump, they should likewise lead one to vote against all of the other candidates running at the time.
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But all of this about immigration that you speak of, those who are open borders or lenient about immigration likewise, have a responsibility when an illegal immigrant kills an American. This seems to be a blind spot.
This is the knock on sanctuary cities, what if innocents die as the result of those given a haven there? That is a wrong too.
As for defrauding workers, this just sounds like knocking someone.
Illegal immigration also involves human trafficking, the drug trade, very much evils in themselves as well and often killing migrants and Americans. The lenient borders crowd then, should take some blame as well.
These anti-Trump rants should be dismissed outright. The Church and those who write up these documents on how to vote, I guess, they get imprimaturs are not speaking about the perfect candidate, often it is the least flawed candidate they urge us to vote for.
Trump has many, many Hispanic supporters. No one speaks for all Hispanics.
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I believe some of the teachings have told us to choose the most pro-life candidate, not the perfect candidate. In the New Jersey Senate election, I was told both candidates were pro-choicers, so one can see where this is leading us. Choose the one who is the least radical.
Introduce these other concepts if one feels inclined to. I hope this is not a sign of the future where we might nationwide be limited in voting for true anti-abortion politicians. And now, we have had and we had this in the past as well, it’s not new, pushes for infanticide.
Some seem to be making an argument that one has to be a perfect candidate, again, most of the literature I’ve seen says pick the less radical one on the life issues. Subsequent Popes, all of them I know have emphasized the evil of abortion. These other issues is honing one’s own personal philosophy.
Introduce these other concepts if one feels inclined to. I hope this is not a sign of the future where we might nationwide be limited in voting for true anti-abortion politicians. And now, we have had and we had this in the past as well, it’s not new, pushes for infanticide.
Some seem to be making an argument that one has to be a perfect candidate, again, most of the literature I’ve seen says pick the less radical one on the life issues. Subsequent Popes, all of them I know have emphasized the evil of abortion. These other issues is honing one’s own personal philosophy.
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I agree. (Note, however, that this works in both directions. There were many posts shared in the lead up to the 2016 presidential election in which members claimed that Catholics must vote for Trump and that a vote for a third party candidate was immoral.)gracepoole:
And if that would lead you to not vote for the candidate, OK.
But I have found many presenting these type of arguments that turn around and vote for candidates that support abortion, gay marriage, etc.
The way I see it, if these non-negotiables lead one to vote against Trump, they should likewise lead one to vote against all of the other candidates running at the time.
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gracepoole
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Which of the non-negotiables that have been discussed here are not “life issues”? All of those topics discussed here are inherently and always evil.
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Victoria33
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I don’t want to say any falsehoods on any individuals, so I said I read but I"m unsure about it. Each one of us can research it for ourselves.
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