Do Catholics still support Trump

[dvdjs]

what is your definition of truth? is it the same as your party?

Do parties have definitions of truth? News to me.

would a liberal college student agree with you? can a man be a woman?

No idea.

liberals, democrats, progressives, etc.

Still name groups, but not specifics.

i’m being kind in generalizing. obama’s eeoc was against this case

This case is specific. The EEOC had a reasonable case.

1. The ministerial status was arguable not of the conventional type.
2. The reasons for dismissal were not intrinsic to the ministry, but arguably related to work absence for extended illness, and for recourse to the law.
   I think for the sake of this plaintiff and others in similar situations it was worthwhile for the EEC to take up this case. We will see what kind of implications this case has in the future for example for workers in Muslims businesses and Sharia law.

rare doesn’t mean never.

Rare is not the issue:
Some non-intrinsically evil act may be evil in case A, and not evil in case B.
The fact that it is not evil in case B does not exculpate or diminish the evil of case A in the slightest.

your article is titled "new data “suggest”…

So? Are you suggesting that the earlier studies are absolute ad not a matter of statistical inference? If not, for the Pew study, what is the statistical confidence with which you reject the hypothesis that more Cathoics voted for Clinton than Trump? And what are you suggesting and how is it linked ot your preference for one analysis over the other?

 

[MamasBoy33]

Democrats voted for Clinton than Trump? An

It doesnt matter who won which party. It chimes to show that our prayers were answered. Doesn’t this dawn on you that Hillary won the popular vote but still Jesus had the final say who should run this country. Didn’t our prayers get answered

 

[dvdjs]

It doesnt matter who won which party.

Correct. We were talking about whether more Catholics voted for the Democratic or Republican candidate. Thanks for noted the gaffe. I edited my post.

 

[guanophore]

HRC …said, her speeches are different depending to which audience she is speaking.

Shouldn’t this be true no matter who is speaking? one of the greatest criticisms of Trump is that he just tweets out whatever rolls thru his head, without any apparent regard for who is listening (audience) and how they might perceive it. Even if he thought about how his tweets came across, I am not sure he would change his behavior.

I felt this system needed shaking up.

He seems to excel at that!

I laughed for 5 min after she stated her prayer.

why?

But there’s no way to put a lid on Trump. He defies the ability of his staff to do their jobs and keep his worst excesses out of the press.

I suspect that the Republican members of congress also feel a sense of unpredictability. If any of them have an conscience and sense of diplomacy, they are also embarrassed by his behavior.

not in a public school. the left would crucify the teacher

Indeed. No, we need to start with the baptized Catholics, which make up the largest number of Christians using birth control. We need to give the straight hard facts to our confirmation classes. We need to go over this in the adult education programs. But, that is a topic for another thread.

 

[MamasBoy33]

You have said that any “good” or practicing Catholic ought to support Trump. You have accused those who expressed concerns of being “anti-Trump” haters. your tactics will sure not “wun” anyone.

I can’t win ( wun ) you over. Satan is swift and is job is to make things seem ok. Your constantly finding ways to make legitimate concerns and using swift tactics to make a case for every the POTUS does. Are you being fed negativity all day from themedia? Do you look at every move the POTUS does to criticize? Do you cheer him on for any good plans for his future and our future?
Case closed buddy

 

[MamasBoy33]

Im begging you to love and stop your critics in the name of Jesus. Lord Jesus Christ i come to you in this difficult situation of Guano that you touch his heart to be a lovely person, that he stops talking bad about the POTUS or anyone that is involved in his life. We ask all the angels and saints to pray for him we Pray the St. Michael the Archangel Prayer in our hearts for him. Mother Mary please come into his love and pray for him dearly. With the Mighty power of Jesus we ask that you heal my bro Guano.
Amen

 

[MamasBoy33]

Jesus i also ask me to pray for me as well. Amen

 

[MamasBoy33]

Jesus i ask You to pray for me too.

 

[upant]

Shouldn’t this be true no matter who is speaking?

so what she told wall street on a subject shouldn’t be the same thing she tells us, the general public? why would it "have to be scrubbed so it isn’t problematic to the campaign? why did she want to keep the transcripts of the speeches secret?

Do parties have definitions of truth? News to me.

you would think there is only one truth, but you would be wrong.

i say coffee is best drank with cream. this is true for me. for you, the truth may be that you like it with sugar.

you still haven’t define what you mean by truth. is your truth a reality based truth? a morality based truth? a subjective morality based or an objective morality based truth.

ahhh the left™

Still name groups, but not specifics.

how about anti-religious, pro illegal immigration, pro wealth distribution, anti free speech, pro ssm, pro abortion, pro contraception, pro trans gender, pro higher taxes…

The EEOC had a reasonable case.

the eeoc may have had a case if she wasn’t called.

Rare is not the issue:

if something is allowed even once it is not a non-negotiable.

So? Are you suggesting that the earlier studies are absolute ad not a matter of statistical inference?

i am suggesting you don’t have enough data to hang your hat on the more catholics voted for clinton rack. the way i read what you wrote, you state it as fact. the man making your claim admits no one really knows.

But more Catholics voted for HRC than Trump.

 

[PaulinVA]

2499 Moral judgment must condemn the plague of totalitarian states which systematically falsify the truth, exercise political control of opinion through the media, manipulate defendants and witnesses at public trials, and imagine that they secure their tyranny by strangling and repressing everything they consider “thought crimes.”

The last one is especially germane.

Uhm, are you purposely using this against the Trump administration, or is this just ironic?

 

[HarryStotle]

Do you really have no idea where we are at and how we got here?

I suppose THAT is the truly frightening thing about the world in these days – how many are in the train car and are adamantly convinced we were so close to the promised land, and because of that conviction, are angry at Trump when the train car went off the rails.

People ought to be thankful for the opportunity to pause and reflect upon where things were headed – but no, there is no such capacity being engaged. Just mindless angst and the blind conviction that the train car needs to be set aright and continue on its marry (redefined, of course) way.

For as the days of Noah were, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day Noah entered the ark, and they knew nothing until the flood came and swept them all away, so too will be the coming of the Son of Man. Then two will be in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. Two women will be grinding meal together; one will be taken and one will be left. Keep awake therefore, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. But understand this: if the owner of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into. (Matt 24:37–43)

 

[dvdjs]

i say coffee is best drank with cream

If you say that you prefer coffee with cream and think, then you have spoken sentences that are true. If you say the orignal, then you have not.

how about anti-religious, pro illegal immigration, pro wealth distribution, anti free speech, pro ssm, pro abortion, pro contraception, pro trans gender, pro higher taxes…

How about identfying people and cases. Then your propositions are testable and are discussable. General statements about vaugue groups are not.

the eeoc may have had a case if she wasn’t called.

Oh, in that situation the case was probably airtight. So an interesting question is the latitude that a religious organization has to broadly define its “ministers”. I am waiting for see how this plays out for other religious groups.

if something is allowed even once it is not a non-negotiable.

All things are “allowed”. Some things, however, if done, have the pain of sin attached. Those things are evil. It is the evil of those things that is non-negotiable.

Let me try to get this across one more way.
Having sex with a partner is not intrinsically evil. Because there are may occasions in which it is proper and vital. On the other hand, there are many occasions in which the act is gravely sinful. That sinfulness is not a matter of “prudential judgement” not is it in any measure mitigated by the fact that the act is proper and right in other situations. And that is not up for debate in the CC.

 

[guanophore]

HRC …said, her speeches are different depending to which audience she is speaking.

Shouldn’t this be true no matter who is speaking? one of the greatest criticisms of Trump is that he just tweets out whatever rolls thru his head, without any apparent regard for who is listening (audience) and how they might perceive it. Even if he thought about how his tweets came across, I am not sure he would change his behavior.

I felt this system needed shaking up.

He seems to excel at that!

I laughed for 5 min after she stated her prayer.

why?

But there’s no way to put a lid on Trump. He defies the ability of his staff to do their jobs and keep his worst excesses out of the press.

I suspect that the Republican members of congress also feel a sense of unpredictability. If any of them have an conscience and sense of diplomacy, they are also embarrassed by his behavior.

not in a public school. the left would crucify the teacher

Indeed. No, we need to start with the baptized Catholics, which make up the largest number of Christians using birth control. We need to give the straight hard facts to our confirmation classes. We need to go over this in the adult education programs. But, that is a topic for another thread.

You can’t wun the Anti Trumps. You tell then godlythings and show them verses to love and thrill all be pissed and frustrated.

Maybe so, but I have not met any of those here. There are people who have legitimate concerns. Actually those who interact with you are more likely to be frustrated with the emotions and positions you assign to them.

You have said that any “good” or practicing Catholic ought to support Trump. You have accused those who expressed concerns of being “anti-Trump” haters. your tactics will sure not “wun” anyone.

 

[guanophore]

The President also claimed news anchors sent the White House congratulatory letters about the meeting but then were told to cool their praise by their bosses.

I think it is a true reflections of the desires of the heart of the speaker. Accolades are deeply desired from all sectors.

 

[petra22]

To me it seems “they” jump to the negative and resist before they look at both sides and even try to look at something positive that might happen for the country… ? NP cries Armageddon, several other Dems (almost all) say Tax Reform is for the very rich… The wall would not be good for our country. We should stay in climate accord even though we, USA are paying the bulk…?

 

[petra22]

Most people that support abortion have no clue about their own bodies. I meet with pregnant teens every day that don’t know how their bodies function. I have had students come to me after class crying when I talked about how abortion happens, because they were not informed. They were horrified with what they did.

This is so sad, but I know it is true!!!

 

[PaulinVA]

The President also claimed news anchors sent the White House congratulatory letters about the meeting but then were told to cool their praise by their bosses.

I think it is a true reflections of the desires of the heart of the speaker. Accolades are deeply desired from all sector

This made Anderson Cooper’s Ridiculist. The USPS delivered letters from anchors to the White House in less than 24 hours? Sure…

The White House released a few tweets (that are not letters) that mentioned the meeting. Most were not lauditory at all.

He lied right there to the American people. When he opens his mouth, he makes stuff up.

 

[guanophore]

The President also claimed news anchors sent the White House congratulatory letters about the meeting but then were told to cool their praise by their bosses.

I think it is a true reflections of the desires of the heart of the speaker. Accolades are deeply desired from all sectors.

 

[godisgood77]

To me it seems “they” jump to the negative and resist before they look at both sides and even try to look at something positive that might happen for the country… ? NP cries Armageddon, several other Dems (almost all) say Tax Reform is for the very rich… The wall would not be good for our country. We should stay in climate accord even though we, USA are paying the bulk…?

I don’t know… If you read the Tax Reform package, it is clearly geared toward to the top bracket over time… it disproportionately helps those who need it least. The Wall? Senior Church officials has spoken out against it… did they not consider the topic fully? If you read what Church leaders are saying, they are well informed, articulate and grounded in Catholic morals. The Climate Accord… same story. Relative to America paying the most, that is what comes with leadership… To those who much is given, much is expected.

I do believe that people are hoping for the best, but are very, very troubled by what is being said and done… And thankfully many are taking action against what they recognize as bad … or, at times, evil

 

[guanophore]

He lied right there to the American people. When he opens his mouth, he makes stuff up.

This is why, when he says that sound good, or what I want to hear, I have to take that with a grain of salt. If the lips are moving…

He gave his strategy away early in the Art of the Deal:

"The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular.

I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration — and a very effective form of promotion."

Now from his perspective, it is not a “lie” but an innocent form of exaggeration. But the outright contradictions of the truth that have occurred over the course of the last two years tells otherwise.