Do Catholics still support Trump

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MamasBoy33 said:
Perfectly said. But watch this

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1 Timothy 2:1-2

1 First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men,

2 for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way.
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That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t recognize when he does wrong.
 
Look yes its hard to support Trump, i understand that.
But i prayed so hard to get rid of hillary.
So we are left with trump. So we will never get the perfect pres, never never never.
We have to go with what we got.
 
MamasBoy33 said:
Can you please do a novena for me , lol
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I’ll dial up St Thomas Aquinas and invoke his teaching on willful ignorance…

St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa, I-II, q. 76, a. 1, a. 3, Whether ignorance can be the cause of sin?: “It is clear that not every kind of ignorance is the cause of a sin, but that alone which removes the knowledge which would prevent the sinful act. …This may happen on the part of the ignorance itself, because, to wit, this ignorance is voluntary, either directly, as when a man wishes of set purpose to be ignorant of certain things that he may sin the more freely; or indirectly, as when a man, through stress of work or other occupations, neglects to acquire the knowledge which would restrain him from sin. For such like negligence renders the ignorance itself voluntary and sinful, provided it be about matters one is *bound and able to know.”
 
MamasBoy33 said:
Look yes its hard to support Trump, i understand that.

But i prayed so hard to get rid of hillary.

So we are left with trump. So we will never get the perfect pres, never never never.

We have to go with what we got.
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I don’t think anyone is delusional enough to think we should have a perfect pres… people are just interested in having a decent one…
 
MamasBoy33 said:
All man does wrong, the bible says " for all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God" Romans 3:23
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I haven’t seen anyone here say otherwise. That doesn’t mean we should whitewash wrongs done by the President of the United States.
 
MamasBoy33 said:
All man does wrong, the bible says " for all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God" Romans 3:23
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of course… how is that point relevant to the discussion?

Are you suggesting that we turn a blind eye to those sins? Admonishing the sinner is a duty, not an option.
 
I can’t follow the crowd and rebel. Like i said , can you ask your local priest whether you should support President Trump? You do go to weekly mass so it shouldn’t be a problem
 
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United States Conference of Catholic Bishops is the collective voice of the successors of the apostles in the United States…who, as the Catechism says, are also vicars of Christ.
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As soon as all of them speak with one voice on a moral issue, and is supported in it by the Vatican, I’ll think of it as morally binding. But the opinion of one or two bishops with offices in the organization does not persuade me any more than that of any other one or two bishops who don’t.

I didn’t support Trump in the primaries to begin with. But as my candidates dropped out, I did. I voted for him in the general election. Trump isn’t Catholic and probably doesn’t know a whole lot about Catholic teachings. But so far he has not been anti-Catholic the way the Dems were, and has done at least some things to remove that oppression.
 
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I don’t see much of anything Christian or Catholic in terms of what Trump says and does, and his actions and words show contempt for minorities and the poor.
 
Metis1 said:
don’t see much of anything Christian or Catholic in terms of what Trump says and does, and his actions and words show contempt for minorities and the poor.
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I thought he was appointed President not a pastor
 
I do believe a president show show moral values and actions, although I do not believe (s)he needs to be Christian or even involved in any organized religion per se. IOW, ethics count, imo.
 
Metis1 said:
I don’t see much of anything Christian or Catholic in terms of what Trump says and does, and his actions and words show contempt for minorities and the poor.
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I realize liberals like to interpret his every word negatively, but he has done nothing to actually harm minorities and the poor. And, just so we all know, black unemployment is down. Well, and Trump let the Little Sisters of the Poor off the hook Obama put them on. Oh, and he reinstated the Mexico City policy. And, of course, his Justice Dept is investigating Planned parenthoods sale of human body parts.

But it’s early.

Oh yes, and despite his bluntness of speech, he hasn’t called the Church “backward” or “medieval” the way the DNC did, or support church dissidents in order to undermine the Church the way they did. Nor has he insisted, as Hillary did, that the Church change its teachings on abortion to suit her preference for abortion on demand.
 
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godisgood77 said:
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MamasBoy33:
All man does wrong, the bible says " for all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God" Romans 3:23
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of course… how is that point relevant to the discussion?

Are you suggesting that we turn a blind eye to those sins? Admonishing the sinner is a duty, not an option.
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So we should stone the prostit…, ah, President, then? (Pauses to look at the ground below his feet.)

Are you really “admonishing” the sinner or merely condemning? I assumed that “to admonish” someone means direct eye to eye contact, not a knife to the back when he isn’t looking and can’t hear a word your admonishing little heart is spouting. I would think “admonishing” that happens behind someone’s back when they can’t hear you is pretty ineffectual as admonishment – more like back-biting or gossip or slander.

You might want to revisit this notion of yours.
 
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HarryStotle said:
So we should stone the prostit…, ah, President, then?
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No Ofcourse not.
I was replying to that other person. I was simply saying we all sin . that’s a bible verse Romans 3:23.
I was saying that wechave to forgive people and no one is perfect
 
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