Do Catholics still support Trump

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HarryStotle said:
So we should stone the prostit…, ah, President, then? (Pauses to look at the ground below his feet.)

Are you really “admonishing” the sinner or merely condemning? I assumed that “to admonish” someone means direct eye to eye contact, not a knife to the back when he isn’t looking and can’t hear a word your admonishing little heart is spouting. I would think “admonishing” that happens behind someone’s back when they can’t hear you is pretty ineffectual as admonishment – more like back-biting or gossip or slander.

You might want to revisit this notion of yours.
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No one is suggesting stoning the man… only that we have open eyes and not follow positions/policies not in alignment with Christian values.

To answer your question… I’m talking about admonishing… not condemning. Your assumption that it has to happen eye-to-eye I believe to be incorrect in this case. Getting together with the prez isn’t possible for the avg citizen. So for high profile public officials, standing against their policies is a legitimate way to resist and admonish… Do you know of another?

You use pretty strong language…where have I put a ‘Knife to the back’, back bit, gossiped or slandered?
 
To me, this isn’t a “liberal” thingy, so I have a problem with you putting it that way-- it’s a “morals” thingy. He has violated Catholic social teachings over and over again on multiple issues and, frankly, I don’t understand how anyone can justify what he’s said and done along those lines.
 
But… But…But… It was reported in the press that he said some bad words once.

That is the Unforgivable Sin, is it not?

And celebrities don’t like him. And journalists don’t like him. And the cultural elites whom we rely upon to tell us everything we ought to think and believe in these troubled times don’t like him. And liberal professors at liberal arts colleges don’t like him. And wealthy globalists like George Soros don’t like him. And women wearing big pink hats don’t like him. And balaclava-wearing, homemade-explosive-throwing, awkward people wearing all black don’t like him. And terrorists don’t like him. And Planned Parenthood executives don’t like him.

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godisgood77 said:
Your assumption that it has to happen eye-to-eye I believe to be incorrect in this case. Getting together with the prez isn’t possible for the avg citizen.
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I like lots of things you say, it seems you did your homework. I just can’t understand why you wouldn’t support Trump even when its biblical. Because even priests support him.
 
HarryStotle said:
And celebrities don’t like him. And journalists don’t like him. And the cultural elites whom we rely upon to tell us everything we ought to think and believe in these troubled times don’t like him
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We are in this world not of this world the bible says.
It doesn’t matter who likes him. It matters what the Lord says right?
 
MamasBoy33 said:
I like lots of things you say, it seems you did your homework. I just can’t understand why you wouldn’t support Trump even when its biblical. Because even priests support him.
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I don’t see how supporting trump is biblical…
 
Why are you HERE complaining about Mr Trump and not asking to see him personally to voice your “admonishment” to him?

Last time I checked, an “admonishment” involves speaking directly to the one you are admonishing.

It isn’t admonishing your friend or neighbor when you do it behind their back to another neighbor. That would be gossip or slander

Look up the word “admonish” in the dictionary, and then look up "back-biting.” Following which honestly assess which of the two words more closely reflects what you are doing here.

It is one thing to criticize a president for what he is doing AS president. That would be legitimate critique. To merely harp on personal flaws while completely ignoring his actual decisions isn’t helpful. It is just being petty.
 
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I think you are confusing support with spoiling. A good parent supports their child but does give advice, criticism, and even punishments for correctional purposes. A bad parent spoils a child, taking the support to the point where they never correct the child, never punish the child, never criticize the child.

I can do both at the same time, support and criticize.
 
When people ask me why I support Trump, my answer is, “Because he is hated by all the right people.” Liberals, celebrities, the mainstream media, the federal secret police (FBI), Antifa groups, illegal immigrants and the people who illegally support and exploit them, ISIS, Iran, N. Korea, the list goes on and on. Sometimes you can tell more about a politician by who his enemies are than anything else.

Also, who supports him? Conservatives from the heartland. That’s me.
 
godisgood77 said:
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HarryStotle:
And Planned Parenthood executives don’t like him.
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Just for accuracy sake… I’m not sure if planned parenthood execs like him or not.
HarryStotle said:
It was reported in the press that he said some bad words once.
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Or you could just listen or read the President’s actual words… I prefer that.
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There’s that.

On the other hand, when the headline of a story reads, “Trump reportedly mocks …” And the story goes on to relate how a journalist heard from some source somewhere that Trump said this and that, we might not actually be dealing with “the President’s actual words.”

And when the president is being sarcastic or sardonic in his statements, that might be an indicator that his actual words weren’t intended to be taken seriously or literally.

Kind of like someone writing…
godisgood77 said:
Very well reasoned response Harry…very nice.
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… In response to a bit of sarcasm.

Makes you wonder if they are, themselves, being sarcastic or just didn’t get the sarcasm in the first place.

Just as an aside, if you “aren’t sure” whether or not Planned Parenthood executives like Trump or not, you may want to spend more time assessing whether any of your other views regarding the modern political landscape are at all “accurate,” before taking the firm position you have on most of them. For accuracy sake, I mean.
 
I never did. His policies on immigration, taxation, and defense are too crazy and ill formed. Hilary was a disaster too.

Honestly I’m a man without a party at this point in my life.

Both parties have taken the idea of faction way too far. And I see people who support their parties like they do their sports teams.

For me the Republicans are too entwined with multinational corporations and big business. They’ve taken the laffer curve from ‘economic policy’ to ‘mindless devotion’. Some are good on life issues, some are mixed, and many use it as a political check box.

I’ve seen them eviscerate public education in my State and seemingly take glee in watching municipalities welch on pensions in bankruptcy. They are too weak on social justice issues.

The Democrats? Don’t even get me started. They carry the torch for abortion like fanatics.

Both parties are deficit hawks. When they are out of power.

I’m tired of holding my nose and voting.

I’d love it if there was a good governance party. Balance the budget (this will take increased taxes, increased efficiency, and budget cuts all together). Start to roll back the deficit. Honor public debts. Build a strong defense but eliminate corruption and waste in acquisition; don’t feel the need to invade, intervene, or base ourselves everywhere. Rebuild the infrastructure. Come up with a balanced, logical, feasible immigration plan that doesn’t demand either open borders, or look like something from the know nothing party. Protect life. Help the poor. Make education affordable in college and mandatory from pre-school through 12th grade. Encourage skilled trades. Don’t make the tax plan either a lever for social experimentation or a sop to huge corporate multinationals or the wealthy.
recognize that liberty has responsibilities as well as rights.

Neither party cares about these things. They care about getting in power and staying there.
 
As one who criticizes Trump on morality grounds, and also as one who criticized Bill Clinton and felt he should have resigned, I think we need to decide which is more important: our political orientation and our religious orientation? If it’s the former, then maybe we should acknowledge that as being our priority; and if it’s the latter, then we should acknowledge that as being our priority. Just to defend someone because they belong to what our political “tribe” may be probably isn’t the most moral position to take, imo.

Also, to stereotype a person as being a “lefty” or “righty” simply on the basis of a moral position that they may take doesn’t really add to much of a serious discussion. I’ve belonged to this forum for a grand total of about two hours, and already someone has labeled me.
 
HarryStotle said:
Look up the word
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Okay… but you are calling out the absurdity of your comments…

admonish
verb
  1. warn or reprimand someone firmly.
    synonyms: reprimand, rebuke, scold, reprove, reproach, upbraid, chastise, chide, berate, criticize, take to task, read the riot act to, rake/haul over the coals
    archaic
  2. warn (someone) of something to be avoided.
back·bit·ing
noun
malicious talk about someone who is not present.

People are calling out his POSITIONS… as much as people my dislike the President personality… the objections are based on positions and acts, not shallow observations about his personality.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
Fetuses aren’t the only vulnerable population in our country.
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Ah, but they are the MOST vulnerable by sheer number and have the MOST to lose – their lives. To say nothing of the fact that those who take those aborted lives through fostering, procuring and operating are committing grave moral evil AND jeopardizing their own eternal well-being.

It is one thing not to have a coat or shoes, or adequate health care, or a decent education, or work, but it is another thing entirely not to have your life.

The problem is that modern progressive ideology has turned the value structure upside down, claiming that a life without the best of everything is simply not worth living, so a child coming into this world that might jeopardize your “right” to the best of everything has no right to do so and, therefore, that child has no right to live.

Unfortunately, many Catholics have bought into the inverted value structure whereby the value of life has been seconded to lesser goods.
 
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Metis1 said:
To me, this isn’t a “liberal” thingy, so I have a problem with you putting it that way-- it’s a “morals” thingy. He has violated Catholic social teachings over and over again on multiple issues and, frankly, I don’t understand how anyone can justify what he’s said and done along those lines.
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Please cite one “Catholic social teaching” that he has violated. My guess is that you will be shown to be in error, or at least grossly overstating the case to be made.

And I will, in turn, demonstrate there are a number, if not all, Catholic social teachings that Trump is fully aligned with.

Don’t confuse modern liberalism with Catholic social teaching.
 
He strongly advocated for torture during the campaign, even saying, and I quote, that he wanted to go “beyond water boarding”. The Catechism condemns torture as an intrinsic evil.
 
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