Do Catholics still support Trump

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I’m not mad about anything. You made a very bold claim that the Church urged voters to be single issue voters this past US federal election. I am asking you to back that claim up. How do you explain the US Bishops’ several public criticisms of Trump?
 
I like that torture isn’t a non-negotiable around these parts…only the other day a Trump supporter was trying to convince me that despite the Catechism’s clear language, torture is a debateable subject for faithful Catholics…
 
pnewton said:
promoting an intrinsically evil act disqualify a candidate? Yes. As I have said, I believed both major candidates to be disqualified from my vote this last election.
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No-one is forced to vote. But just imagine you could save one life by taking a sacrifice would you do it?
I would.
Or did you back away and the babies get killed and do nothing about it?
By not voting for Trump and letting Hillary win ( if she had won) what your doing is telling the babies " go ahead let them kill you little baby" .
 
SuperLuigi said:
Trump goes after the elite even if they are in his own party or have similar political views.
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I haven’t seen this… what elites has he gone after? He just helped put through a tax plan that disproportionately helps the elite and very wealthy and himself over the poorest.
 
pnewton said:
That makes more sense. He is my president, after all, like President Obama before him.
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Yes and likeb trump the Catholicchurch called for us to pray for Obama.
Do ahead and throw darts at me but maybe the church also called us to pray for Hitler too right?
Idk that That’s my opinion only, i would’ve prayed for Hitler to stop. Am i out of line on that?
 
godisgood77 said:
About $100 bucks extra a year for a few years… after that a person making $25K will pay more.
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That does not concern me. In a few years we will be a different country with different leadership. Cuts for businessmen and real estate developers like him my vanish once he is out of office. Heck, the whole package may well be repealed in three years. My concern is the dishonesty behind this type of bill. Trump is just like Obama in so many ways. Obama deferred costs to fudge money, and now Trump is doing the same thing. If Trump wanted to honestly cut taxes, he would almost have to cut the military budget proportionately. He is just running a Ponzi scheme with us.
 
I like that torture isn’t a non-negotiable around these parts…only the other day a Trump supporter was trying to convince me that despite the Catechism’s clear language, torture is a debateable subject for faithful Catholics…

Catholics are wrong, sometimes.
 
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Voting for Trump was a sacrificial vote.
But God answered my prayer and left me with Trump, now I’m going to Roll with it.
Does that make sense?
 
twf said:
I like that torture isn’t a non-negotiable around these parts…only the other day a Trump supporter was trying to convince me that despite the Catechism’s clear language, torture is a debateable subject for faithful Catholics…
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Let me guess, was the word “prudential” thrown around? 🤣
 
The majority of problems are at the local level and a lack of a certain criterion of lobbyists. That is the largest problem in Washington, people who are convinced nothing can get done at the local level. Citizens look at the president like stargazers as their communities are destroyed. Based on the absolute certainty of this finding, I have no choice but to stand with the president and afford him time to fix a nation in disrepair. I also stand ready to support him so long as I can rest assured that he will not abandon me. As it is believed that in my darkest matter, I was abandoned along with the Constitutional violations held against me, loss of life, liberty and my pursuit of happiness. Through the lack of federal protection against a police state, I will most surely await the outcome.

On East Jerusalem, we should strike when the iron is hot. I am glad the proposition was denied because the outcome would have been a long term travesty.
 
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I don’t have time to read a 1055 post long thread right now, so I’ll just throw in my two cents:

I’m very thankful for our president. He has brought fresh breath to our country and done many hard things which many presidents in the past few decades would not dare to.

He is against abortion, the murder of the unborn.
He understands the crucial importance of the family unit, with mother AND father.
He has liberated us of many liberal mandates that were suffocating our nation’s prosperity.
He is not afraid to laugh in the face of the U.N. and show that we are not afraid of their ridiculous posturing.
He unabashedly supports Israel.
He has freed the military to act effectively, practically demolishing ISIS in a few short months.
Most important of all: he has verbally, publicly acknowledged Jesus Christ as God and asked for his blessing upon our nation. On multiple occasions.

Say what you wish about the man’s past character and actions, but his actions now are absolutely admirable.
 
MamasBoy33 said:
Catholics layman , priest can be wrong. But the churches teaching ain’t wrong.

If i say something that’s wrong and the church corrects me then i got to Listen
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Sorry, let me clarify: I was only replying to the lament that some Catholic or other had attempted to defend the use of torture.

CCC 2297 Kidnapping and hostage taking bring on a reign of terror; by means of threats they subject their victims to intolerable pressures. They are morally wrong. Terrorism threatens, wounds, and kills indiscriminately; it is gravely against justice and charity. Torture which uses physical or moral violence to extract confessions, punish the guilty, frighten opponents, or satisfy hatred is contrary to respect for the person and for human dignity. Except when performed for strictly therapeutic medical reasons, directly intended amputations, mutilations, and sterilizations performed on innocent persons are against the moral law.91

CCC 2298 In times past, cruel practices were commonly used by legitimate governments to maintain law and order, often without protest from the Pastors of the Church, who themselves adopted in their own tribunals the prescriptions of Roman law concerning torture. Regrettable as these facts are, the Church always taught the duty of clemency and mercy. She forbade clerics to shed blood. In recent times it has become evident that these cruel practices were neither necessary for public order, nor in conformity with the legitimate rights of the human person. On the contrary, these practices led to ones even more degrading. It is necessary to work for their abolition. We must pray for the victims and their tormentors.
 
I also disapprove of comments that a third party vote was a waste or a vote for (insert name of undesirable candidate here). It is a completely false notion that we only have two candidates a year to vote from, and I feel the reason we had such anger and fuss was because of that belief. I could support neither Clinton nor Trump, so I voted for someone I believed would support all of Catholic social teaching. And I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils simply because it’s lesser.
 
No, if we’ve learned anything we should have learned that plurality doesn’t equate to the truth or the correct way to move.

And similarly, the relatively small affluence and size of some of the countries supporting isn’t enough reason to dismiss their support either.

That’s not rational. What you argue for is plurality = rational, and that’s an error, Erika

Elistist minded people tend to dismiss such countries.

While you’re watching, see what Charlie Rose, Tavis Smiley and Garrison Keiller say about the matter.
 
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