Do Catholics still support Trump

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We should all support and pray for his agenda.
I work with the Carmalite Sisters full time, and i talked to priest Luke Father Dan and Father Art and they have me advise to pray for him, and to remember to love, to forgive his pass and move on, to not the the sun come down on your anger, to recognize that he has no mortal sin, to not follow the crowd that wants too persecute him, accept that he sub the election, that we were also called to pray for Obama.
 
If we are not loving we reject the Word of Jesus.
Remember Matthew was a tax collector , Peterthe Fisherman and so on , Jesus brought the good out of them.
 
The point of me starting this topic eas not to get people to start disliking Trump, but i wanted to get the Anti-Trump supporters to start changing there thoughts and see trump in a different angle,
 
I totally agree with you.

I listen to Rush Limbaugh and I think you get more unbiased analysis from him and he said the tax plan is going to be good for everybody as well as the economy overall. I also listened to another analyst I like on youtube today who thinks the tax plan will probably solidify Trump’s support in the Rust Belt, making it more likely he will be re-elected in 2020.

The naysayers are mostly running off of skewed reports they get from mainstream propaganda media which is skewed very far anti-Trump. Trump is way smarter than he gets credit for, and he is much more pro-America than he gets credit for.

The next big hurdle will be the 2018 midterms but if Trump-friendly candidates do well there, and if the currently humming economy keeps humming… well let’s just say all the Trump haters better enjoy their hating because they’re going to be doing it for at least 4 more years 🙂
 
If anyone is here on site that is trying to convince others to hate trump then they need Confession.
If anyone here is trying to convert people to Support Trump , God reward you, God bless you may the Lord continue to Guide you
 
The other thing none of the Trump haters seem to notice is that the Democrats STILL have no plan. They have no counter-proposal to the tax plan. They have no ideas, they are running simply on the concept “We Hate Trump” and opposing everything he does. Now, when he does popular things like cut taxes, how can Democrats be so dumb as not to notice that makes them look like they’re opposing good things? I think the Democrats are going to keep losing for years until/unless they get it together.
 
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The other thing none of the Trump haters seem to notice is that the Democrats STILL have no plan. They have no counter-proposal to the tax plan.
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There is NO NEED for a tax plan!

Yes, the code needs to be rewritten, but it is malfeasance to add a trillion dollars to the deficit for a tax cut during an up economy. You cut taxes to stimulate the economy during a DOWN economy. Our economy does not need to be stimulated.
 
PaulinVA said:
I answered your question. Either accept or reject the answer. Asking again won’t change my answer.
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Amazing dodge, there was no answer to accept or reject, just a change of topic.

You don’t have to answer, but not answering makes it appear like you don’t know what good he’s done, or are so wedded to whatever is negative about him that you can’t see his goodness or find a single positive thing to say about him.

Look for the good in others, you will be surprised what that does for your spirit.
 
anon65111186 said:
To be perfectly honest, I don’t find any way to frame Trump as like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and the others.
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Once again, you are misunderstanding what I clearly said. Intentionally? Taking lessons from Trump? My point is simply that someone said we should support Trump because he was elected. I’m saying that’s nonsense, and by analogy in 1933 Germany you would support Hitler because he was “duly elected” (the other poster’s term) just as Trump was. You should support someone because you agree with their positions, not because they got elected. In no way was I compariing Trump to Hitler–although, as I said, I could if you want me to. But no, I’m not going to. Waste fo time.
 
SuperLuigi said:
@SyNoe @twf @Spyridon @anikins @Johnitor9 @ProVobis @ShadrachMA @angel12

Can I please have a show of hands as to how many oppose Muslim child brides and an explanation of where you were when Anthony Weiner was found guilty?

Or is this another thing that a conservative white male from the South isn’t allowed to do but everyone else is?
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Not sure why you care what I think of it, of course I oppose Muslim child brides – or any other kind. I don’t personally know anyone who doesn’t.
Anthony Weiner is hardly someone I mark my calendar for, but since courts generally operate on weekdays, I’ll make an educated guess and say I was at work. Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a darn where I was. It was good news.
 
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As Catholics we don’t have the option to disrespect anyone, not even our worst enemy. Love your enemies, right? If Trump isn’t quite your enemy, how much more should you at least give him respect.

From the Catechism:

Respect for the human person proceeds by way of respect for the principle that "everyone should look upon his neighbor (without any exception) as ‘another self,’ above all bearing in mind his life and the means necessary for living it with dignity.
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Absolutely. But that’s only half the story. And certainly as a Catholic I DO have the option to disrespect people–serial killers, rapists, corrupt politicians…the list goes on. There are different types of respect–you are talking about recognizing that they are human and have certain rights as human beings. Fine. No problem. give them a trial and then lock them away forever. But if they commit actions you think are abhorrent, should you “respect” them? Despise them, maybe. Did you respect Charles Manson?
 
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Absolutely. But that’s only half the story. And certainly as a Catholic I DO have the option to disrespect people–serial killers, rapists, corrupt politicians…the list goes on. There are different types of respect–you are talking about recognizing that they are human and have certain rights as human beings. Fine. No problem. give them a trial and then lock them away forever. But if they commit actions you think are abhorrent, should you “respect” them? Despise them, maybe. Did you respect Charles Manson?
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Maybe I’m too young or just ignorant enough to not know Charles Manson well, he murdered some people right?

I would strive to act like Christ in respecting people like that. Did Christ disrespect others? Despise them?

Look at what Saint JP2 and what he did to the guy who nearly murdered him. Did he despise and disrespect him? The spirit of the world would say he is crazy for treating him with dignity the way he did, because according to human estimation he had every right to be treated with disrespect and disdain.

What did JP2 do? He loved him and forgave him, just as Jesus calls us to.

You have the option always to do it your way, to not answer the call of Jesus, but whether you will be happy or showing your love of God and Catholic character remains to be seen.

Would you say it is holy to despise sinners and disrespect them?
 
Yes, my support increases daily.

I couldn’t be happier that he’s changing the tone and the pace with the UN.

Time for that organization to tighten up, or get some other funding.

Watch this work.

Career UN diplomats committing crimes in NY and elsewhere.

I saw what the UN was doing in Iraq and was appalled.
 
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SuperLuigi said:
Roy Moore has not been found guilty in a court of law.
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He doesn’t need to be. He’s not on trial. This is not a courtroom. There is nothing about “innocent until proven guilty” (a legal concept) or “guilty beyond a reasonable doubt,” another legal concept, in judging the reputation of a person.

If I see someone holding a bloodstained knife over a dead body, I’m not going to elect him Senator. Has he been found guilty? No. But I’m not going to vote for him. I’d be a fool.

If you honestly believe that all these women–who don’t know each other and have not gotten together–are somehow part of a grand plot to defeat Roy Moore, then that’s just sad, as our Great Leader would say.
 
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Would you say it is holy to despise sinners and disrespect them?
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Some of them, yes. Take a look at St. Paul–when people came to him and asked what they should do about sinners in their congregation, Paul said to have a little talk with them. And if they sinned again? The whole congregation should get together and set them straight. And if they sinned again? Paul said to boot them out.

How about the woman taken in adultery? Christ said “Go and sin no more.” He didn’t say, “Go off and party till you drop…”

You’d better look up Charles Manson on Wikipedia. He died a couple weeks ago. In prison. Despised, not loved, by any sane person.
 
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I think some people here need to acquaint themselves with “Forming consciences for Faithful Citizenship” by the USCCB. It’s online.

It’s all very good, but particularly these sections:

“40. The consistent ethic of life provides a moral framework for principled Catholic engagement in political life and, rightly understood, neither treats all issues as morally equivalent nor reduces Catholic teaching to one or two issues. It anchors the Catholic commitment to defend human life, from conception until natural death, in the fundamental moral obligation to respect the dignity of every person as
a child of God. It unites us as a “people of life and for life” (Evangelium Vitae, no. 6)
pledged to build what Pope John Paul II called a “culture of life” (Evangelium Vitae, no. 77). This culture of life begins with the preeminent obligation to protect innocent life from direct attack and extends to defending life whenever it is threatened or diminished.
41. Catholic voters should use the framework of Catholic teaching to examine candidates’ positions on issues affecting human life and dignity as well as issues of justice and peace, and they should consider candidates’ integrity, philosophy, and performance. It is important for all citizens “to see beyond party politics, to analyze campaign rhetoric critically, and to choose their political leaders according to principle, not party af liation or mere self-interest” (Living the Gospel of Life, no. 33).
42. As Catholics we are not single-issue voters. A candidate’s position on a single issue is not suf cient to guarantee a voter’s support. Yet a candidate’s position on a single issue that involves an intrinsic evil, such as support for legal abortion or the promotion of racism, may legitimately lead a voter to disqualify a candidate from receiving support.”

No single issue voters, please. Anti-abortionists take note.
 
As for dignity, in the same document:

"44. Human life is sacred. The dignity of the human person is the foundation of
a moral vision for society. Direct attacks on innocent persons are never morally acceptable, at any stage or in any condition. In our society, human life is especially under direct attack from abortion. Other direct threats to the sanctity of human life include euthanasia, human cloning, and the destruction of human embryos
for research.
  1. Catholic teaching about the dignity of life calls us to oppose torture,7 unjust war, and the use of the death penalty; to prevent genocide and attacks against noncombatants; to oppose racism; and to overcome poverty and suffering. Nations are called to protect the right to life by seeking effective ways to combat evil and terror without resorting to armed con icts except as a last resort, always seeking rst to resolve disputes by peaceful means. We revere the lives of children in the womb, the lives of persons dying in war and from starvation, and indeed the lives of all human beings as children of God."
See how it talks about “Direct attacks on INNOCENT persons…” Then it goes on to talk about DIRECT THREATS to the sanctity of human life. If you want to argue about any of it, don’t talk to me, talk to your local bishop.
 
Edward_H said:
I couldn’t be happier that he’s changing the tone and the pace with the UN.
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So if the UN General Assembly vote condemning the US was 128-9 (the 9 included major powers like Nauru, Micronesia, and Guatemala), does that show that the US is right, and everyone else is wrong? And everyone else (including the US) has been wrong from 1948-2017? Huh. An interesting point of view. But not rational. But it is consistent: the US is the ONLY country not signing the Paris climate agreement, etc. etc. Trump is doing just a fantastic, tremendous job of isolating the US from the rest of the world (quite a feat, by the way–no one else has ever done it!). Putin is surely just rubbing his hands and chuckling as the US alienates all its allies.

And now it’s off to watch the BBC and PBS and find out what our Great Leader has been up to when his caretakers were taking a nap.
 
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