Do Catholics still support Trump

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@SuperLuigi

I would fight Muslim “child brides” with every ounce of my strength.

And I was smiling and thanking God that justice had been served when Anthony Weiner went down.

Again, what is up with thinking everybody who doesn’t support Trump is some fanatical Sharia sympathizer and a Democrat?

MANY of Trumps most vocal opponents are fellow Republicans!

The reason why more in the GOP don’t speak out is because they don’t have the guts and they don’t want to draw the ire of their own party.

Some of them have been truly courageous though, such as the war hero John McCain.
 
SuperLuigi said:
But I really hope that you’re not saying that mean words and stupid memes are more morally important than abortion.
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I am saying that this headlong rush into supporting any candidate who utters the words “Pro LIfe” is wrong.

I do not subscribe to Roosevelt’s attitude about Anastasio Somoza, the dictator of Nicaragua - “Of course he’s a b@st@rd, but he’s our b@st@rd”. Whether he really said that or it’s apocryphal, the idea still holds. Do not support bad people to get a good outcome.
 
No, the idea is to pay ALL your bills. That is, if you’re worth anything.
 
PaulinVA said:
Just to get a Republican-nominated Supreme you align yourself with a narcissistic demagogue.
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When you put it that way who would align himself, but the way you characterize the situation isn’t so simple. I didn’t vote for a narcissistic demagogue, I voted for someone who although a sinner like me, dedicated himself to Catholics and the Catholic cause of sanctity of life, sanctity of marriage etc.

Don’t you have any people in your family or in your professional life who are far from perfect, yet you love and respect them, because that is the Catholic thing to do. Do you go around talking like you do about your family members? Trump is Protestant, but he is partly united to the Body of Christ through his baptism. You may very well see him in heaven, supposing you and him make it there.

I pray to God that noone treats you or speaks about you the way you speak about Trump. Do unto others as you would have them do to you. Search your heart, do you hate Trump? It sounds like you do and that can affect your spiritual life. Do you think it is good for your spirituality all the negativity you spout about Trump?

What is also concerning to me is you are letting yourself be influenced by the worldly media which with all its hate and vitriol is more like the devil’s dealings and more sinful in quality and quantity than the sins of Trump.
PaulinVA said:
You are getting possible anti-abortion legislation, religious freedom, pro marriage by supporting a terrible person. It’s sort of a Faustian bargain - you don’t care who the person is, what they’ve done, as long as you get a Republican supreme. Sorry. Not me.
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You make it seem like I’ll choose anyone as President as long as I get my way and the Church’s way, that is simply not true. It isn’t an ends justify the means kind of situation, it is supporting someone who is actually doing good. Character and personal sins do have a bearing, but they are not impeding him getting good things done.

Can you even name the good things he has done?
 
You will pay one way or another.

Don’t be fooled by how much they withdraw on your pay stub.
 
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anon65111186 said:
When you put it that way who would align himself, but the way you characterize the situation isn’t so simple. I didn’t vote for a narcissistic demagogue, I voted for someone who although a sinner like me, dedicated himself to Catholics and the Catholic cause of sanctity of life, sanctity of marriage etc.
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I’m sorry. Sanctity of Marriage? Which wife? 🤣
anon65111186 said:
Can you even name the good things he has done?
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Any good he might have accidentally done is far outweighed by his damage to American institutions and interests.
 
anon65111186 said:
I didn’t vote for a narcissistic demagogue, I voted for someone who although a sinner like me, dedicated himself to Catholics and the Catholic cause of sanctity of life, sanctity of marriage etc.

Don’t you have any people in your family or in your professional life who are far from perfect, yet you love and respect them, because that is the Catholic thing to do. Do you go around talking like you do about your family members? Trump is Protestant, but he is partly united to the Body of Christ through his baptism. You may very well see him in heaven, supposing you and him make it there.
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It seems to be a fact that you did vote for a narcissistic demagogue, but I am sure you did not vote for him because of that! personally, I don’t trust him to keep any promises, but I am glad to see that he is supporting Catholic values, at least in some key areas. Yes, my life is full of people who are not only less than perfect, but deplorable at times. I do need to love them. Respect is earned, however, so I prefer civility and polite as a requirement. In fact, I must work even harder to be civil and polite to those I do not respect.

I do not respect Trump as a person, but I do respect the office, and I pray for him and all those who are aligned with him, as scripture and the Church enjoins us to do.

I have not seen anything that would convince me he has any form of Christian faith, and I think he just embraces whatever seems useful to his ends.
 
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Muslim child brides is a diabolical practice. Anthony Wiener is disgusting.
The “Democrats are worse than our guys” Defense of immoral Republicans gets pretty old…
 
PaulinVA said:
Any good he might have accidentally done is far outweighed by his damage to American institutions and interests.
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Wow talk about not giving another the benefit of the doubt. If you read my question it wasn’t did the good he do make up for all the wrong he did.

I asked whether you know and can tell me what good he has done. Simple question, right?
 
MonteRCMS said:
Trump has somewhere around 20,000 employees and also hires somewhere around 10,000 contractors.

So, he MUST be paying some of his bills.
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Absolutely. I am also sure there are many women he has not molested.
 
guanophore said:
I do not respect Trump as a person, but I do respect the office, and I pray for him and all those who are aligned with him, as scripture and the Church enjoins us to do.
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As Catholics we don’t have the option to disrespect anyone, not even our worst enemy. Love your enemies, right? If Trump isn’t quite your enemy, how much more should you at least give him respect.

From the Catechism:

Respect for the human person proceeds by way of respect for the principle that "everyone should look upon his neighbor (without any exception) as ‘another self,’ above all bearing in mind his life and the means necessary for living it with dignity.
 
anon65111186 said:
Wow talk about not giving another the benefit of the doubt. If you read my question it wasn’t did the good he do make up for all the wrong he did.

I asked whether you know and can tell me what good he has done. Simple question, right?
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I answered your question. Either accept or reject the answer. Asking again won’t change my answer.
 
Enough with your whataboutisms. None of that has anything to do with the topic of this post. Other people doing wrong does not make it right for another person to.
 
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As a Catholic, I accept Trump for what he is.

Is he bombastic? Yes
Is he somewhat conceited? Yes
Is he overly worried about certain things? Yes
Is he a better option than Clinton? Definitely, yes

The thing about the Donald that most people don’t seem to understand, is that he’s outsmarting a lot of people. He’s not an idiot. He just got tax reform done (which he promised he would do), He removed the controversial individual mandate (which he promised to do); he recognized Jerusalem (whether or not you agree with this move, it’s something presidents have been promising for a long time); he realizes that all he has to do to send the media (and a good portion of the population) into a seizure is post something on Twitter.

The man isn’t stupid. Do I support him? I support certain parts of his agenda. I think that the Supreme Court is in a good place for a while; I think that some boons to the pro-Life movement will get passed; I think that something will be done about immigration (hopefully something in line with Christian values). I don’t think that the man is a saint; I don’t propose that parents teach their children to emulate his mannerisms, but I do think we’re in a better place than we would’ve been otherwise.

Thoughts?
 
Spyridon said:
The reason why more in the GOP don’t speak out is because they don’t have the guts and they don’t want to draw the ire of their own party.

Some of them have been truly courageous though, such as the war hero John McCain.
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Doubtful about why they don’t speak up. More likely that they don’t want the leftist press to view them as targets and nothing like supporting Trump to make that happen.

McCain basically mouths Democrat talks points, but changes his tune once in a while to appease his military-industrial funders.
 
I’m just looking for some intellectual consistency is all.

Saying “your guys are worse” is what I was trying to do.

And I wouldn’t know that anyways. All I know is Roy Moore has not been found guilty in a court of law.
 
anikins said:
None of that has anything to do with the topic of this post. Other people doing wrong does not make it right for another person to.
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I would agree. But you also need to be intellectually consistent. All I am doing is asking questions.
 
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