Do Catholics still support Trump

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pnewton said:
It was promulgated in 1992 by St. John Paul. I am really having a hard time following this conversation
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Sorry i didn’t mean what year on the catecism issue.
I meant what year did Trump deny the wages. It was in 2005.
 
Well that’s a relief then.

At least I know now that your heart is with the Church and your priorities are straight and you would choose Christ before politics.

Not every Catholic who supports Trump would choose what you would thoigh… some would choose to rebel against the Church in that situation.
 
Check out Trump University for starters.

What was it, 75 counts of fraud and racketeering?

How nicely that was swept under the rug.
 
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OKi said:
Mueller has found nothing.
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Four indictments so far.

When they’re talking about Presidential pardons already, you can believe there was crime attempted if not committed.

And we know Russia has committed crimes. And by Trump’s own speeches, he shows he knew what was going on. Don’t need cable TV for that.
 
@OKi

Sounds like you’re watching too much Trump… you’re arguing just like him.

person lays out evidence
Trump responds: NOPE, NO, DIDN’T HAPPEN, FAKE NEWS!

Which is essentially equivalent to sticking your fingers in your ears, sticking your tongue out and going “LALALLALALALALALALALA”.
 
MamasBoy33 said:
denying worker their just wage or defrauding them in any way is most definitely a mortal sin,

When did this fake news happen?
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Are you serious?

Donald Trump is famous for entering into contracts with tradesman or trade companies and then not paying them, making them sue him to get paid.

WASHINGTON (AP) — An electrical subcontractor who worked on the Trump International Hotel in Washington has sued a company owned by President Donald Trump for more than $2 million, alleging it was not fully paid.

AES Electrical filed its lawsuit in the District of Columbia Superior Court, the latest in a string of lawsuits involving Trump’s renovation of the historic Old Post Office building a few blocks from the White House.
 
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@Erikaspirit16 Fake news plugs ears lallalalalallalalalallalalla

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Trump has somewhere around 20,000 employees and also hires somewhere around 10,000 contractors.

So, he MUST be paying some of his bills.
 
A final thought…one true fact in all this: Hillary was an awful candidate. Couldn’t have been worse: too old, too unlikable, had too much negative baggage, an awful strategic campaigner, came across as a nasty school teacher, etc. etc. And, no, I couldn’t bring myself to vote for her–not in a million years, no matter who she was running against.

So who did I vote for? Hold on, you Trump supporters. You’re not expecting this one: I voted for Trump!
Why? Easy. He wasn’t Hillary, for starters. Then I didn’t think he could do much harm–the courts would stop his most insane policies (they have) and the Senate would stop the rest (they have–except for Gorsuch and the tax thing). But most of all–and here’s the good part–I figured Trump would destroy the Republic (if you can call it the “Democrat” party, I can call you the “Republic” party) Party for at least a generation, maybe more. And so far, he’s right on track, as I expected. He’s got 2-3 senators openly attacking him; he’s destroyed the national headquarters; he’s forcing Republicans to take a stand, and either way they’re divided. So I guess Trump has done a few things…but not the ones you thought.
 
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MonteRCMS said:
So, he MUST be paying some of his bills
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No one said he not paying SOME of his bills. He’s just not paying them all. It’s like saying a thief didn’t steal from ALL the people, just some of them. He’s still a thief. And yes, what Trump did is legal. But that doesn’t make it right–you abortion fanatics should realize that, right?
 
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The credit to Washington Post… yes I know Trump hated WP but at least someone took time to measure their speeches.
 
Why would YOU work for Trump if he had a reputation for not paying his bills?

But a LOT of people did choose to work for Trump.
 
Hope springs eternal. Maybe they think they are the ones that he will pay.
 
MonteRCMS said:
Why would YOU work for Trump if he had a reputation for not paying his bills?

But a LOT of people did choose to work for Trump.
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That’s the worst kind of deceit. He knows people want to do business with him because the projects are big, and then HE STIFFS THEM.

It’s a well-documented business strategy of his.
 
pnewton said:
If by informed, you meant believed him, you are right. Remember, this is his first elected office and I can’t count how many lies I remember during the election. From the post above, “These decisions should take into account a candidate’s commitments, character, integrity.”
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Okay you have a point, you thought he wouldn’t actually fulfill his promises to Catholics that he would vote pro-life, pro-marriage and the family, vote against euthanasia, stem cell research, and human cloning. You were basing that off his prior statements and what you read he did, perhaps even when he wasn’t even pro-life previously, fair point.

You judged him to be of lacking the character and integrity needed to fulfill those important promises, and didn’t consider other factors like a strong pro-life pro-marriage and the family Vice President. Perhaps you didn’t consider the fact that he wouldn’t get re-elected if he failed on those promises, and he is trying to go for 8 years.
pnewton said:
The “non-negotiable” issues are not in the Church’s voters guide
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Again, you don’t seem to have been aware of the Church’s non-negotiables. Look up non-negotiables and Catholic and you will find a cacophony of results for the famous 5, those are
  1. Abortion
  2. Same-sex marriage
  3. Euthanasia
  4. Stem cell research
  5. Human cloning
If your third party candidate was okay on all these issues, then you are fine, but if not, well then Trump would have been your better choice.

I could give you plenty of examples of how he has already delivered on his promises, so your judgement call wasn’t spot on.
 
Erikaspirit16 said:
Wow. Let’s take that statement in, folks. So if you lived in Germany in 1939, you’d support Hitler, right? Or Stalin in 1933 Russia? Or Idi Amin? or Pol Pot? or Mao?

If you start quibbling about “duly elected” keep in mind Hitler was “duly elected” too.

Sorry. I don’t respect, honor, or in any way support Trump–or his supporters.
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To be perfectly honest, I don’t find any way to frame Trump as like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and the others. So the analogy doesn’t work. He is a bit authoritarian, but what all those folks have in common is they were dictators, practical atheists, mass murderers, and socialists. Trump has not murdered anyone, is a Protestant, and is a populist capitalist.

To me that kind of language sounds similar to ANTIFA.
 
Erikaspirit16 said:
You have to be kidding. Trump is almost completely ignorant. We saw that in the debates, and we’re seeing it now every day. Trump speaking in Israel: “I just came here from the Middle East.” Hello!!! Israel is IN the Middle East!!! The nuclear triad? Trump hadn’t a clue. The fact that NATO is not a club where members pay dues? Nope. He doesn’t get that either. Matter of fact, he doesn’t get ANYTHING! He has no clue. The average guy (or woman) off the street would do a better job.
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From one Catholic to another, the way you speak is very worldly, like it came straight out of a newspaper. I just pray to God nobody treats you the way you treat Trump when you don’t know something or make a mistake or sin or are incompetent in some way.
 
pnewton said:
1867 The catechetical tradition also recalls that there are “sins that cry to heaven”:
the blood of Abel,
the sin of the Sodomites,
the cry of the people oppressed in Egypt,
the cry of the foreigner, the widow, and the orphan,
injustice to the wage earner.
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There are differing perspectives on how well or badly Trump is doing in those areas. That perspective could be skewed by both his supporters and detractors. You have provided the “detractor” critique, but a just judgement requires hearing evidence from both sides.

the blood of Abel,
Preventing tax supported, full term abortions and limiting funding for PP, reinstating Mexico City policy on foreign funding of abortions, actually working to defeat ISIS rather than aiding and abetting their butchery, among others,
the sin of the Sodomites,
Supporting religious freedom vis a vis conscientious objection to SSM, calling out political correctness in general
the cry of the people oppressed in Egypt,
People are oppressed by political correctness, Trump is a role-model in terms of being unafraid to speak his mind on issues – I suspect this more than anything else is what has his most vociferous critics so riled at him. They are angry that he is swimming against the stream on social issues they thought they had already won.
the cry of the foreigner, the widow, and the orphan,
Separating out the truly disadvantaged foreigners, widows and orphans from those who merely want to take advantage is an issue that needs addressing. The virtue signalers who think that just casting public generosity blindly to the wind is what makes them virtuous are plainly wrong on this.
injustice to the wage earner.
Siding with the “wage earner” against multinational corporations and big unions, bringing back jobs to areas which have been decimated economically, tax relief for wage earners.

Certainly, these are all disputable points, but the truth isn’t what Trump’s critics claim – he is not an abject failure on these. He appears to be working hard to act on all of them.
The blinkers worn by his critics that make them blind to the full truth and why they are so willfully blind is the real issue.here.
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