Do Catholics still support Trump

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Yeah i was using a different context. Pres Mr Delight (Trump) used the word College snowflake once to refer to peolple that are fragile and get easily offended. So when heat(words) is applied to them they easily melt(get mad) away.
Ahhh. That makes sense. He has a contentional interpersonal style, and would have little use for someone who can’t stand the heat.

Having an educated perspective, however, whether that education is self designed or acquired in college, does not necessarily make a person overly fragile or easily offended. Personally I think it is impossible to engage in a spirited debate if any of the participants are so fragile.
 
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. That’s simply not true. Other religions and people who simply follow their consciences (atheists) DON’T believe it’s murder
That’s a cop-out. In order for people to follow their consciences properly, the conscience has to be well-formed. There isn’t room for putting appeasement/tolerance before protecting innocent life or virtue-signaling on social media.
 
It doesn’t matter what other religions say, what people say, What atheist say it matter what Jesus says.

Read on the Early Church Fathers and what they said in the first 5 centuries on abortion

I recommend buying " The fathers know best" by Jimmy Akin. He has a very good topic on that.

Once again " don’t follow the crowd" as it is put " we are in this world not of this world" .
It may not matter from the perspective of our personal value system, but in the Agora, in the political arena, we are only going to be successful if we an educate and pursuade those who do not believe the way we do. This does not need to be a religious conversion, per se (though that would be the best) it can be a scientific approach, a health approach. There is enough research available about how abortion hurts mothers, babies,a nd relationships that we don’t necessarily need to bring our faith into it.
 
This is a great comment!

A lot of the other side’s argument is based on pitting science against Catholicism, when in fact the two work in tandem.

Well done!
 
never supported him and he is of the devil and does the devil’s work.
You have lots of explaining to do. Far far from the devil.
Trump is a good guy. Please refer to him as Mr Delight next time and not a devil
 
we are only going to be successful if we an educate and pursuade those who do not believe the way we do
I think Catholics and the 40 days to life movement are find an excellent job spreading this word of abortion. The Holy Spirit convicts of our wrong doings immediately but do we listen.
I also know the Church teaches " no fault of there own" so yes people don’t know at the time but all we could do is evangelize and if they reject the Word and have full knowledge of the truth them next its between them and Jesus.
 
Before calling him a devil, from what my bible says that a devil id not making ot to heaven, so if your saying trump is going to hell ummmmmm I’ll be very careful to bring judgment on yourself.
 
Ok if you don’t support him then that’s fine but the Devil comparison is harsh and i don’t even think Guana , paul and the other Anti Trumps will call him a devil.
 
Ok if you don’t support him then that’s fine but the Devil comparison is harsh and i don’t even think Guana , paul and the other Anti Trumps will call him a devil.
I am not “anti-Trump” just because I do not approve of some of his behaviors and expressions, but you are rigth, Scripture and the Church calls us to pray for him as our president and to join together with all who are acting to bring greatest good to our society.

Saying he is a “devil” seems quite judgmental. I can’t discount that he has engaged in some behaviors I might find grossly wrong, but we are in no position to determine if he is going to heaven or hell. Him, or any other person.
 
Read on the Early Church Fathers and what they said in the first 5 centuries on abortion
Actually you can go earlier than that. Cicero’s De Officiis was the moral code Augustine, Ambrose, and others adopted, and, though it’s tough to read in the Latin I admit, there is one good translation which people might like to read.
 
Are you suggesting that the modern day Arabs are not the sons of Ishmael, the son of Abraham?
That’s a nice story. It’s not genetics. So yes, I not suggesting, I’m stating: mythical origin stories may or may not have a grain of truth. Semitic peoples obviously share some DNA and are related.
 
We have laws that say it is wrong for adults to have sex with children. We even have laws that make it a felony to abuse animals by beating or starving them. Some people see these acts as intrinsically evil nd have imposed their will on the populace.
These are all things where there is a consensus of opinion. There is no consensus of opinion on abortion.
 
I think what you are saying is that it is ok for a position to be imposed upon us so long as there is a consensus (in the US that means a “majoirity”).
No. “Consensus” does NOT mean “majority.” It’s “general agreement.” Not 100%, but very close.
 
That’s a cop-out. In order for people to follow their consciences properly, the conscience has to be well-formed. There isn’t room for putting appeasement/tolerance before protecting innocent life or virtue-signaling on social media.
So who decides if someone’s conscience is well-formed? You? If you are Catholic, you have some authority. What about Muslims, atheists, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. who are all good citizens of the US?
 
The Apocalypse of Peter (ca. 135)

“I saw a gorge in which the discharge and excrement of the tortured ran down and became like a lake. There sat women, and the discharge came up to their throats; and opposite them sat many children, who were born prematurely, weeping. And from them went forth rays of fire and smote the women on the eyes. These were those who produced children outside of marriage and who procured abortions.”
2:26

“Those who slew the unborn children will be tortured forever, for God wills it to so.”
 

There are of letters grin the ECF that talk on abortion.
So if you want to share with friends, atheist i think this is a good place to start
 
These are all things where there is a consensus of opinion. There is no consensus of opinion on abortion.
Maybe in some areas, but I can assure you there is not a consensus on gay marriage. There was a “majority” and a court ruling that compulsed those who are not consenting to be obligated.
 
I’m sure the biased media would agree…

While they continue to scratch their heads wondering what happened.
 
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