Do Catholics still support Trump

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most certainly am. His homily is overblown and prone to overwrought hyperbole
I don’t know what to tell you. I pray your right because your saying since deep stuff on this issue.
Idk the priest but I’m thinking he’s well respected.
Im thinking since its on YouTube that many heard this homily but yet no one has disciplined him.
Ummm could i be wrong.
 
Does this equate to “open borders”?
open borders mean the free movement of people between different jurisdictions with limited or no restrictions on movement.

the pope wants migrants, asylum seekers and refugees to be guaranteed personal safety and access to basic services

yes, he is pushing for open borders.
we should not shoot people for trying to cross, allow them to die in the desert, or languish in detention for months or years when caught attempting to do so
it is called personal responsibility. those desiring to come should follow our immigration policy.

we turn away legal applicants, but must keep every person that breaks the rules. what kind of justice is this?
 
Ok I’ll be fair, i know a Priest that works on a military base and I’ll fwd him that video and of your right then I’ll applaud you but if your wrong then you must change your way of thinking.
Is that fair?
 
“A candidate’s position on a single issue is not sufficient to guarantee a voter’s support. Yet a candidate’s position on a single issue that involves an intrinsic evil, such as support for legal abortion or the promotion of racism, may legitimately lead a voter to disqualify a candidate from receiving support.” (42)
many believe the guide allows them to ignore a candidate’s position on abortion because it is just a single issue. however the bishops state the opposite. how do the bishops understand this item?
This brief document is a summary of the United States bishops’ reflection Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship.
It complements the teaching of bishops in dioceses and states.

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...nces-Faithful-Citizenship-bulletin-insert.pdf

The Right to Life and the Dignity of the Human Person
Human life is sacred. Direct attacks on innocent human beings are never morally acceptable. Within our society, life is under direct attack from abortion, euthanasia, human cloning, and destruction of human embryos for research. These intrinsic evils must always be opposed. This teaching also compels us as Catholics to oppose genocide, torture, unjust war, and the use of the death penalty, as well as to pursue peace and help overcome poverty, racism, and other conditions that demean human life
your single issue does not give you the right to ignore the 5 non-negotiables, but candidates should be disqualified if they are against a single non-negotiable.

an example:
my single issue is tax reform. the only candidate pushing tax reform also supports legal abortion. my single issue doesn’t trump (haha) his abortion policy. i can’t vote for him/her.

who is your bishop and what is his view on the issue?
 
We never hear anything about the responsibility of illegal immigrants to abide by the laws that make them illegal in the first place.
Living in an area of the country where the borders do seem quite porous, I can certainly vouch for the disregard of breaking the laws entering.

I have more compassion for those who are willing to risk such severe consequences to escape a worse situation. After all, Jesus’ family fled Bethlehem to avoid the slaughter. These are real conditions for some people.

 
How so.

You love your family but you don’t agree with every decision that they make.

It’s simole, just bc I am a Dallas cowboys fan doesn’t mean I support every thing that they do on or off the field.

Common sense
 
I have more compassion for those who are willing to risk such severe consequences to escape a worse situation. After all, Jesus’ family fled Bethlehem to avoid the slaughter. These are real conditions for some people.
why aren’t the refugees from central and south america stopping in mexico? the mexicans aren’t at war. there is safety in mexico.

why can’t mexicans facing the violence of the cartels move to other parts of mexico that are safer?

let’s face it, the reason isn’t safety. it is for economic reasons. therefore, they should apply for legal entry. they don’t deserve favorable treatment over those applying legally.
 
Just want to ask if you seen that video i sent yesterday?
Do you think that priest was wrong?
Me personally in thought it was the greatest thing ever heard.
 
Depends on how you look at it.
The proper way to look at it, ProVobis, is their individual platform. Again, I don’t mean to be insulting, but this isn’t rocket science.

It’s way too intellectually lazy to say “they’re all the same”.
I voted for Rubio but could have easily voted for Cruz or Kasich if it meant keeping Trump out. But the primaries aren’t designed that way.
Well, maybe someday one of them will be president.
 
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Just want to ask if you seen that video i sent yesterday?

Do you think that priest was wrong?

Me personally in thought it was the greatest thing ever heard.
i watched one of the video’s you posted. i agree with him.

the bishops state:
These intrinsic evils must always be opposed.
many read the first part of paragraph 42, but ignore the rest of it. some hang their hat on the “MAY” and refuse to read the follow up explanations. (see prior post)
Yet a candidate’s position on a single issue that involves an intrinsic evil, such as support for legal abortion or the promotion of racism, may legitimately lead a voter to disqualify a candidate from receiving support
the voter’s single issue isn’t important, but a single issue of a candidate can disqualify him. is.
 
let’s face it, the reason isn’t safety. it is for economic reasons
I think it is both. I am not sure why families are risking sending their minor children into death, rather than apply for a legal entry. Maybe they know it is not possible or likely to happen.

I have never had to flee a war zone, so I don’t know what I would do to find a better life. I daresay a border would not be a large factor.
 
Ok I’ll be fair, i know a Priest that works on a military base and I’ll fwd him that video and of your right then I’ll applaud you but if your wrong then you must change your way of thinking.

Is that fair?
You don’t get it. There isn’t a right or wrong answer other than don’t vote for pro-abortion candidates because they are pro-abortion. This is applying Church teaching to an everyday issue, using one’s well-formed conscience. People could disagree on the result you arrive at, but that doesn’t mean you are wrong.

And, Priests don’t get disciplined for much, so being a little strident on telling people not to vote for Hillary or you go to hell isn’t that bad.
“A candidate’s position on a single issue is not sufficient to guarantee a voter’s support. Yet a candidate’s position on a single issue that involves an intrinsic evil, such as support for legal abortion or the promotion of racism, may legitimately lead a voter to disqualify a candidate from receiving support.” (42)

many believe the guide allows them to ignore a candidate’s position on abortion because it is just a single issue. however the bishops state the opposite. how do the bishops understand this item?
“MAY” is the operable word here. It MAY disqualify a candidate. It doesn’t say “SHALL”. That is an important distinction. The Bishops, right here, had a chance to say that support for legal abortion SHALL disqualify a candidate, and they did not.
an example:

my single issue is tax reform. the only candidate pushing tax reform also supports legal abortion. my single issue doesn’t trump (haha) his abortion policy. i can’t vote for him/her.
That’s not what the Bishops say at all.
who is your bishop and what is his view on the issue?
I’m in the Arlington, VA Diocese, but I don’t know what my Bishop says, because I read the USCCB guidance. What more do you need?

This appeal to authority doesn’t move me. A priest at my parrish growing up abused the altar boys. The priest who officiated at my wedding was, himself, secretly illegally married. My confessor from a few years ago was accused of sexual impropriety and is gone from the diocese.
 
Let me make it clear and simple as can be.
If 2 candidates are both pro abortion but 1 is pro abortion and also for slavery then you could vote for that other President Even though they are pro abortion.
Its the lesser of 2 evils.
We are both clear on that.
Next:
Lets get into this election.
Hillary - pro choice plus expanding pro choice and plan parenthood. That’s HUGE GRAVE sin.
Trump - a WALL, plus pro life, narcissist, and Handsome ( lol jk)
Who do you vote?
3rd party? Give me a break.
 
There’s a limit here?

And you can’t “ignore” something you’ve never seen, so…
 
Top you too my brother,
Today is Thanksgiving Mass, we give thank to the Lord for all He has given us this year.
Amen
 
How about being open to torture?


I guess that’s something we can ignore? It’s not the same as murder, I’ll grant you, but hey, they’re adults. So who cares that we simulate drownimg on them. We can ignore that.
 
The Catechism clearly condemns torture, but when I’ve brought that up in the past, more than one Trump supporter has bent over backwards to convince me that the Church and Trump are using the word “torture” in different ways…
 
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