Do Catholics still support Trump

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Let me make it clear and simple as can be.
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I think everyone understand your position very clearly. However, some of us listen to what the Church has said on the subject. This constant condemnation of third party voters is hardly giving them a break.
 
PaulinVA said:
That’s not what the Bishops say at all.
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It doesn’t say “SHALL”.
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how can abortion always be opposed if you can ignore it for other issues? they say abortion MUST ALWAYS be opposed in #28
  1. St. John Paul II explained the importance of being true to fundamental Church teachings:
Above all, the common outcry, which is justly made on behalf of human rights— for example, the right to health, to home, to work, to family, to culture—is false and illusory if the right to life, the most basic and fundamental right and the condition for all other personal rights, is not defended with maximum determination. (Christifideles Laici, no. 38)
27. Two temptations in public life can distort the Church’s defense of human life and dignity:
28. The first is a moral equivalence that makes no ethical distinctions between different kinds of issues involving human life and dignity. The direct and intentional destruction of innocent human life from the moment of conception until natural death is always wrong and is not just one issue among many. It must always be opposed.3
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Support of abortion by a candidate for public office, some of whom are Catholics, even if they use the phony “personally opposed but” line, is reason sufficient unto itself to disqualify any and every such candidate from receiving our vote. (BISHOP WILLIAM MURPHY Catholic Diocese of Rockville Centr)
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PaulinVA said:
Arlington, VA Diocese
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i see you have a new bishop since december 2016. i could not find a position on voting.
 
upant said:
your single issue does not give you the right to ignore the 5 non-negotiables, but candidates should be disqualified if they are against a single non-negotiable.
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The Church’s voter’s guide gives seven areas of concerns. Now if you and others want to follow other guides, as befit your conscience, then that is laudable. However, it is a complete reversal of logic to criticize Catholics for following the primary Catholic guide published by the Catholic Church.
 
upant said:
let’s face it, the reason isn’t safety. it is for economic reasons. therefore, they should apply for legal entry. they don’t deserve favorable treatment over those applying legally
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Most of them would not qualify.
There is no such thing as an option " legal entry" for those who come from South America with almost nothing.
It is your laws but you ve got to be realistic.
And safety affects many áreas in your life,more than you can imagine.
 
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US special forces undergo waterboarding for hours on end as part of their training.
 
On balance, yes I still support him. I believe that overall he is doing a good job trying to put our country’s basic needs first; improved trade and national security. If we want the many social programs that do so much good for our citizenry, trade is what pays for them and national security sets the conditions for our country to operate its economy in peace.

I didn’t vote for someone to be nice, that was just plainly off the menu last election! Much as I would have liked brilliant, moral and nice, Ike (Pres. Eisenhower) wasn’t available to serve again. I was left with a choice of who intended to provide for the most basic needs of our country first, the way a father provides security and support for the family. The way I saw it, as dislikeable as all of the candidates were, he was the one who I felt was best able to address our country’s need to modernize its participation in world trade to our country’s best advantage, and who also would best address our national security needs. Plus he wasn’t gung ho for unlimited abortion on demand and beholden to Planned Parenthood.
 
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Sensing a lot of tension from this thread. I am Canadian and we are under a liberal government with a self proclaimed feminist male prime minister. I would much rather have Donald Trump as a leader. I feel like Donald Trump comes under a great deal of scrutiny because he is a very well known business man and celebrity that has been on the media’s radar for years. He is not the traditional politician. I think that Hillary Clinton has so much scandal around her. Like that time she got a pedophile that she knew was guilty free, her comments on African American youth, her beliefs on abortion, and the workings of the Clinton foundation. Too many politiians are just way too shady and take bribes from dictatorships or get involved with bad people. I appreciate that Donald Trump is pro-life while the leader of my country wants to use the tax payers of this country to kill babies in other countries. I am trying to convince my family to leave to go to the US. Those are just my opinions. I am quite conservative so I do have a bias.
 
??? Why have we met??
As for me,I would love them to stay home. As at least the majority of human beings. Exile has been considered a punishment.
Do as you wish with your laws but at least know your immigration and Homeland Security requirements.
 
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Salutations,
I’m Catholic. I voted for him. I still support him. I continue to pray for him. I try to reach ppl to stop the hate.
Any Christian, who is hating POTUS, is not following Jesus’s values. First, PRO-LIFE issues. Second, the support for Christian principles. We have been under attack. He has prayer in WH. Crèche is in WH. An executive order was written for the govt., who can now, provide busing for a Christian school. Separation of church and state means we are not to force a religion on ppl. We are not to be punished for our faith.! Third, Supreme Court Judges. Appellate Court Judges. Fourth-getting jobs by reducing corporate taxes.Plan to reduce taxes for ppl. Redo the tax system. Fifth, when policies are in, money should start to get back in the treasury.Sixth—IMMIGRATION=Wall! Stop illegals. Help DACA’s… NEED WALL!! SEVENTH—Redo inner cities. Get rid of gangs. Eighth but very important=improve military, conquer ISIS.
May God change hearts of haters. Help them love their enemy( he’s not your enemy). Help them learn to respect him. Open eyes to see good. Protect his family, Lord. Thank you. In Jesus name. Amen.
In Christ’s love,
Tweedlealice
 
graciew said:
??? Why have we met??
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you implied something was more than i could imagine. you wouldn’t know this unless we met.
graciew said:
Do as you wish with your laws but at least know your immigration and Homeland Security requirements.
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never said they would be allowed entry. which makes them being here all the more problem. why let them stay if we would not have accepted them in the first place.

i am open for reform,but not at the detriment of the current immigrants who are applying legally.
 
upant said:
you implied something was more than i could imagine. you wouldn’t know this unless we met.
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OK " than one can imagine".
upant said:
why let them stay if we would not have accepted them in the first place.
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Why would they not qualify as far as you know?
I ve been in the Consulates more than once making the queue and listening.

And last but not least,any " bling" is paradise for those who have nothing.
Including our underdeveloped or developing " bling" cities.
And of course there is the freebies,and the need and as many realities as any human being.
And I also agree with a reform down where I live. This is a mess which was open to " voters" from anywhere. A political move that helped no one and lacked the minimum treatment of dignity.
But what can we expect from those who have sacked and robbed with impunity?

But this thread is about Trump.
 
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Praise the Lord for all you said. We need more like you.
I agree with you.
Go President Trump we are praying for you
 
upant said:
Support of abortion by a candidate for public office, some of whom are Catholics, even if they use the phony “personally opposed but” line, is reason sufficient unto itself to disqualify any and every such candidate from receiving our vote. (BISHOP WILLIAM MURPHY Catholic Diocese of Rockville Centr)
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The good Bishop is getting ahead of his skis. This is not what (28) says. Yes, the
direct and intentional destruction of life is always wrong. Voting for a candidate who supports abortion is not that. It may disqualify a candidate (42), but may does not mean shall.

This Bishop is saying that, if for some strange reason, a county sheriff candidate announces he/she is pro choice, you can’t vote for him/her. This is not well thought out. The county sheriff has nothing to do with passing prochoice legislation or anything else. It doesn’t matter what their stand on abortion is. I want to know how they will run the county jail and court security.

You have to be capable of nuanced political and theological thought to properly understand this topic.
 
Hello fellow Canadian. Im not much aware of your President but I’ll take your word for it.
On the other hand i wasn’t too request that you continue to do your part as a righteous Christian and pray for him that he becomes a better man. The bible says " who ever have Not sinned cast the first stone" so I we all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God ( Romans 6:23 i think). So like Blessed Pope John Paul 2 said always look in the good of people.
I can’t tell you to support him but I can ask you to pray for him according to the church.
If you could support him somehow, someway then as the Nuns always say “GOD REWARD YOU ( GRY)”.
Im going to ask you to respond to see what you think about my advise to you.
Remember I could find things also to make President Trump look bad but i refuse to, i rather be a Good Catholic Christian man and say " I’m still praying and loving you"
 
tweedlealice said:
Salutations,

I’m Catholic. I voted for him. I still support him. I continue to pray for him. I try to reach ppl to stop the hate.

Any Christian, who is hating POTUS, is not following Jesus’s values. First, PRO-LIFE issues. Second, the support for Christian principles. We have been under attack. He has prayer in WH. Crèche is in WH. An executive order was written for the govt., who can now, provide busing for a Christian school. Separation of church and state means we are not to force a religion on ppl. We are not to be punished for our faith.! Third, Supreme Court Judges. Appellate Court Judges. Fourth-getting jobs by reducing corporate taxes.Plan to reduce taxes for ppl. Redo the tax system. Fifth, when policies are in, money should start to get back in the treasury.Sixth—IMMIGRATION=Wall! Stop illegals. Help DACA’s… NEED WALL!! SEVENTH—Redo inner cities. Get rid of gangs. Eighth but very important=improve military, conquer ISIS.

May God change hearts of haters. Help them love their enemy( he’s not your enemy). Help them learn to respect him. Open eyes to see good. Protect his family, Lord. Thank you. In Jesus name. Amen.

In Christ’s love,

Tweedlealice
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You do agree, though, that it is not “hate” to object to behavior unbecoming to the office of President, right? It is OK to object to nominating an attorney to the federal bench who isn’t familiar with the case law that ought to be as familiar to a judge as the back of his own hand?

As for tax code and all of that, of course people can take issue with the projections one party or the other makes without those objections in any way qualifying as “hate.”

Finally, I don’t think it can possibly qualify as “hate” to object to things the President tweets and says things that are, let us face it, ad hominem attacks. I mean things like:

“Looks more like a gym rat than a Senator”
“a dumb guy who fails @ virtually everything he touches”
“major lightweight with no credibility”
“weak and out of control”
“one of the dumbest political pundits on television”
“no focus, poor level of concentration”
“crazy”
“wacky”
“whacko”
“a disaster”
“pathetic”
“lonely”
“should immediately be fired”
“failing”
“incompetent”
“a total disgrace”
“guilty as hell”
“crooked”
“not capable”
“a total clown”
“a low-class slob”
“so-called judge”
“truly one of the dumbest of thee talking heads”
“clueless”
“I will sue him just for fun!”
“so awkward and goofy”

You know how the list could go on and on. Why is it any surprise that someone with no filter–someone who is praised for having no filter!!–is so thin-skinned when it turns out that others sink to the same level he has embraced?

If you want some respect for the POTUS, it would help immensely if the POTUS would please act in a more dignified and respectful manner himself.
 
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PaulinVA said:
You have to be capable of nuanced political and theological thought to properly understand this topic.
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no, you mean you just have to be able to pick and choose what you want from what the bishops say to match your agenda.
PaulinVA said:
a county sheriff candidate announces he/she is pro choice, you can’t vote for him/her. This is not well thought out.
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abortion is probably the most thought out topic in christian politics.

why would a sheriff enter into the abortion argument unless he needed pro-choice votes. his mentioning it would cause me concern.
 
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