Do Catholics still support Trump

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Fauken said:
I guess he apparently didn’t get the memo to save the babies?
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No he didn’t get the memo.
Like i said voting 3rd party wasn’t a sin but it was a sideline call.
Did the deacon see it the way I did? No
I wish i would’ve shared with him our view on it though.
Idk no your deacons reason why he decided that
 
And maybe if in Texas there was an actual threat of Hillary Clinton winning I’d vote for Trump. But there wasn’t. As I said, Texas is an extremely conservative state and Trump was guaranteed to win. What would Trump gain off my one vote when he’s already getting the state?

You don’t seem to understand that the Republican party is not the only way to protect the lives of the unborn. You are painting with very broad brushes by saying those who voted for Trump are good Catholics while those of us who didn’t are bad Catholics who aren’t praying their rosary and going to Mass. How am I supposed to take that?
 
PaulinVA said:
A sheriff or school board member has much less impact on abortion policies
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they are in positions of authority and as such looked up to. a school board member can influence a future generation with their opinion. how many people are talked into an abortion by a local abortion advocate.

we have such an issue with abortion because we think it is a national problem and it is really a local one. abortions take place at the local level. voting local pro-choice people makes it easier for planned parenthood to garner support in the community. we need to change hearts and local opposition doesn’t make it easy for us change hearts.
 
Fauken said:
guaranteed to win. What would Trump gain off my one vote when he’s already getting the state
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It wasn’t the state steaking for you it was you speaking for you.
Look at New Mexico a very Catholic state and Patrick Madrid was so disappointed because Hillary won that state.
Could have it been that some where thinking like you?
Your saying " lets see if others will cover my back".
That’s exactly the problem.
You need to speak for you and Jesus, it didn’t matter what others think or do. You are a child of the Child.
When judgment comes God isn’t going to say " well even though you killed, steal and destroy your ok bevause Texas was good"
No your an individual person
 
upant said:
they are in positions of authority and as such looked up to. a school board member can influence a future generation with their opinion. how many people are talked into an abortion by a local abortion advocate.
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I totally disagree with you. And, I don’t know, “How many people ARE talked into an abortion by a local abortion advocate”? Since you brought it up, provide the answer. It underpins your position.
upant said:
we have such an issue with abortion because we think it is a national problem and it is really a local one. abortions take place at the local level. voting local pro-choice people makes it easier for planned parenthood to garner support in the community. we need to change hearts and local opposition doesn’t make it easy for us change hearts.
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I have said throughout this thread this is a local issue. But, not in the way you are thinking. Voting for a weaker Sheriff candidate just because they are pro-life is stupid and voting against your interests. A strong Sheriff who runs the jail well and protects residents is affecting lives much more positively, even if he/sher happens to be pro choice. I totally disagree with your philosophy of only voting for pro life candidates no matter the government position.
 
PaulinVA said:
totally disagree with you. And, I don’t know, “How many people ARE talked into an abortion by a local abortion advocate”?
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Lots of peolple are talked into an abortion my brother and that’s a fact. I’ve listen to many stories of ex plan parenthood workers.
There are mandatory laws they said that you must refer them or offer them to go Seek family planning orv else they will be fined big dollars
 
MamasBoy33 said:
totally disagree with you. And, I don’t know, “How many people ARE talked into an abortion by a local abortion advocate”?

Lots of people are talked into an abortion my brother and that’s a fact. I’ve listen to many stories of ex plan parenthood workers.

There are mandatory laws they said that you must refer them or offer them to go Seek family planning orv else they will be fined big dollars
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For goodness sakes, stop. You say something is a fact that CAN’T BE PROVEN.

Define the number that makes up “Lots of people”. Then, divide that by the total number of abortions performed in 2017. Let’s evaluate that percentage.
 
I am an individual person, that’s true. And I as an individual Catholic person voted for someone pro-life and anti-torture. New Mexico is Catholic? By my understanding, they’re as Catholic as Joe Biden is. Just because someone is Catholic doesn’t mean they’ll follow church teaching.

Our country is not a Democracy, it’s a Constitutional Republic. The whole point of voting is “leaving it to someone else”. You left fighting for the unborn to Trump, I left it to my candidate. You say that I’m leaving it to someone else by letting the rest of Texas vote for Trump. So? Is that not something that I as an individual am allowed to consider for whom I should vote? Is my individual voice crushed when I take that into consideration? My voice is not limited to a single casting of a vote.

I know you’re keen on getting people to see that your choice was in line with the church. But yours is not the only way.
 
Hey Elf if everyone would-be promoted that i would’ve been all over it.
 
Fauken said:
By my understanding, they’re as Catholic as Joe Biden is. Just because someone is Catholic doesn’t mean they’ll follow church teaching.
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That’s my point my bro, You claim your pro-life but are you really pro-life. You didn’t take that sacrifice. BINGO BANGO
 
Fauken said:
So? Is that not something that I as an individual am allowed to consider for whom I should vote?
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Yes you are correct you are allowed your own vote I’m not arguing that.
Im just saying this was a chance to prove your pro-life take a punch, show Jesus your taking a sacrifice, to build a WALL. But you didn’t think that way you thought only of yourself.
The Catholic suggestions are not to vote for what would benefit you and only you, you have to look at your vote helping the majority of society.
 
So for example if i vote that i could make $20 an hour and let the others stay at $10 them im wrong.
But if i vote where the majority could make $17 and i may have to take a $3 sacrifice then I’ll take a sacrifice and vote for thiswho make $10.
You get that point?
 
I’ll admit I’m new to being pro-life. I’m a convert. I used to be pro-choice. I did my research when it came to the Catholic faith, and I’d like to think I know a thing or two about it. You may not think so, but that’s not up to you, is it? I could just as easily say you’re not pro-life since you’re sitting here instead of running for office to make pro-life policy. But that would leave us arguing in circles.

I think we’d both agree that the Church decides what upholds the Sanctity of Life. So go find something that says third party is not an option because it lets babies die. You would think with something that serious, the USCCB would have published something to prevent the faithful from making such a grave error, or an otherwise uninformed vote.
 
How did my vote not benefit society? Now you’re saying that my vote would not only let babies die, but I’m not benefiting society by it. Says who? You?
 
That’s a SACRIFICE my bro.
When it hurts you, when you dont want to do it, when it feels uncomfortable, when you take a lost, when its going to piss you off, but you know your doing something Great then that’s a sacrifice.
I sacrificed for 55 million babies and voted for a whatever toy want to call him Narcissist or moron.
As St. Teresa said "for hand lets go but the heart gives. "
 
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