Do Catholics still support Trump

[Fauken]

@MamasBoy33: I’m technically your “sister”

Another question. Must every vote be a sacrifice?

I, and the Church view torture as evil. Trump supported it. Why do I have to vote for someone who would waterboard the very children he wishes to save once they’re grown up when I can vote for one who neither supports torture nor abortion? Because they have useful information? Is that a good enough reason?

 

[MamasBoy33]

I, and the Church view torture as evil. Trump supported it. Why do I have to vote for someone who would waterboard the very children he wishes to save once they’re grown up when I can vote for one who neither supports torture nor abortion

This is the reason. The church gives us our 5 non negotiables, aborting, stem cell research , anesthesia etc…
So yes torture is awful, even trumps foul mouth, like when he mocked the handicap by accident, said i suppose some are good, locker room dirty talk, those are all bad but all those all together there not make up for killing a baby

 

[MamasBoy33]

Another question. Must every vote be a sacrifice?

Im not sure on that bevause it to hard to answer. This is my opinion though.
It depends on the situation, if there is a vote that requires a sacrifice and its for Jesus I would do it.
That’s what i say now though lol.
But remember sacrifices are so so hard to make, and not even the strongest did it.
Look at Peter he denied Jesus 3 times.
King David and Solomon also stated good but ended bad

 

[MamasBoy33]

Let share this with you from Jesse Romero Immaculate Heart Radio. He send me this a while back i hope you like it. Please share with others
From Jesse Romero:
When you were baptized you became a child of God (John 3:5).
•When you were confirmed you became a solider of Christ (2 Tim 2:3-4) and you were given a mystical sword of the spirit - which is the Word of God (cf. Ephesians 6:17).
•When a solider of Christ is wounded you go to the sacrament of confession to get healed by Jesus.
•When a soldier of Christ wants to get fed he comes to Holy Mass to receive the Holy Eucharist, reads their Bible and prays 3 times a day.

Men, you were given this sword to go on the offense and evangelize, but also to defend the Catholic faith by slaying error. When you die you will appear before the judgment seat of Christ (cf. 2 Corinthians 5:10) and he will ask you for your sword, the one he gave you at your Confirmation. If your sword is brand new, like it’s never been used, no dents, no nicks, no chips, no scratches, no blood, Jesus Christ will know that you lived a cowards life, buried your talents, you were lukewarm, you never entered into the spiritual battle you were created for. Jesus Christ will say to you “…I declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers’” (Matt 7:23). On the other hand, if you lived and died in a state of grace, you were a good soldier. That means your sword will be full of scratches, nicks, dents, chips and BLOOD - Jesus will know that you “fought the good fight of faith” (2 Tim 4:12) and then he will say to you: “Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a little, I will set you over much; enter into the joy of your master” (Matt 25:21).
Julius Caesar once said: a coward dies a thousand deaths but a man of valor only dies once. In the final analysis, eternity, there will be winners and losers - Heaven or Hell.

 

[Fauken]

First of all, it’s not anasthesia, it’s euthanasia, but I know what you mean.

I never complained about Trump’s language or rudeness. I never complained about his desire to build a wall. While I don’t like them, they’re not why I didn’t vote for him.The only thing I’ve said to you about why I disapprove of Trump was his stance on torture, which we both agree is wrong. I was also not pleased with what I preceived as apathy over gay marriage. Of course, his stance on gay marriage is not as severe as abortion.

The candidate I voted for violated none of the principles you listed. And no where in those five non-negotiables is there the condition that the vote be between Republican and Democrat. It does not help your case.

 

[Fauken]

Exactly. When we are required to make a sacrifice, we will hopefully make it. God will give us the grace to make it, but ultimately, the choice is ours. But not everything we do needs to be a sacrifice.

 

[Fauken]

Thank you for sharing this.

I am no coward. I am a convert to the Catholic Church, and while you may or may not have ever been liberal or pro-choice, I lived and believed in liberalism and pro-choice ideology. I stand up for my faith in ways you do not know and see to my extended family who are not Catholic and liberal. I try to not compromise with my beliefs, because I know what lies on the other side, and it is naught but ash.

 

[guanophore]

Voting 3rd party was a cop out.

It is not appropriate for you to berate others and disaparage them for voting their conscience.

Im ragging you a little bit but i want you to see the other side of it too

You might want to consider a more respectful method.

Do you have statistics for what you seem to be claiming? That all priests, cardinals, bishops, nuns, etc. voted for Trump?

My experience and as i asked my local ordained ministry has been 100%

Well MamasBoy33, your world may seem quite overwhelmingly large to yourself, but it is inappropriate for you to apply your personal experience to the rest of the country.

Your not in sin for voting 3rd party but it was a bad choice to sit on the sidelines.

I think it is very magnanamous for you to determine that your sibling in Christ is “not in sin”. I wonder if you realize how you sound?!

It is also not your place to determine whether voting third party is “sit on the sidelines”. on the contrary, it was the people who chose to bail out on voting who sat on the sidelines.

But you didn’t think that way you thought only of yourself.

MamasBoy33, at some point it would behoove you to realize that anyone who is out voting is participating in the civil process as our faith calls us to do. No one participating in these kinds of citizenship activities is “only thinking of themselves”. Honestly, you have an accusatory and prejudicial attitude.

How did my vote not benefit society? Now you’re saying that my vote would not only let babies die, but I’m not benefiting society by it. Says who? You?

MamasBoy33 appears to have appointed himself the judge of the voting conscience.

Are you saying that each of those people advocated voting for a sociopathic narcissist who admitted to molesting women? Really?

How sad for the Church.

No, in fact, in order to remain non-profit, the station and programs cannot endorse political candidates. What was common was to support a pro-Life, possibly pro-Catholic candidate.

I never complained about Trump’s language or rudeness. I never complained about his desire to build a wall.

I did.

 

[Axsenex]

Liverpool won the day! Oh wait… still Trump non-stop?

 

[MamasBoy33]

No no no i want referring to you as a coward. No no don’t even think that way.
All of you on here sound like real righteous peolple and Catholics.
I was just sharing that

 

[MamasBoy33]

You might want to consider a more respectful method.

Well i wasn’t going to say I’m not ragging you.
I could find lots of biblical statements that say be a soldier orc did like that.
Your getting offended on that. But yet you want to stand on the Sidelines.

 

[MamasBoy33]

MamasBoy33, at some point it would behoove you to realize that anyone who is out voting is participating in the civil process as our faith calls us to do. No one participating in these kinds of citizenship activities is “only thinking of themselves”. Honestly, you have an accusatory and prejudicial attitude.

When i voted i thought of 55million babies , Not about me my brother

 

[MamasBoy33]

is also not your place to determine whether voting third party is “sit on the sidelines

Yeah Your repeating something i said. If you voted 3rf party or Mickey mouse your not in sin.
I would be wrong to say that.
So why would you tell me something i already realized? Lol

 

[MamasBoy33]

MamasBoy33 appears to have appointed himself the judge of the voting conscience

Jesus does that my brother. Not you or me

 

[Fauken]

Really? People may not perceive it that way. You’ve said multiple times that third party votes are “cop-outs”, that the people who casted them “stayed on the sidelines”, and that we didn’t “sacrifice” and vote for Trump. You then post something saying how Catholics need to fight the good fight, which is true, we need to do. Altogether, that looks like cowardice. At the minimum, you’re saying we’re selfish and lazy.

 

[guanophore]

Well i wasn’t going to say I’m not ragging you.
I could find lots of biblical statements that say be a soldier orc did like that.

Your getting offended on that. But yet you want to stand on the Sidelines.

You seem to be ragging everyone who did not vote the way you think they ought.

Of course you can find plenty of bible verses! you can find verses to support slavery, wife beating, etc. Of course you can support your position with scripture.

Again you are ascribing sentiments to me that do not belong to me. I am not offended. None of the statements I quoted in my last response were even directed to me.

Again you are accusing me of “wanting to stand on the sidelines”. This is a completely baseless accusation, and inappropropriate.

When i voted i thought of 55million babies , Not about me my brother

I commend you for it. That does not give you the right to assume that everyone else has done otherwise.

I would be wrong to say that.

So why would you tell me something i already realized? Lol

If you realize it is wrong to disparage your siblings, why is it continuing? I have not seen any evidence that you have realized it, I guess that is why I was telling you.

You seem to have a great deal of passion about your faith. Disparaging others about how they live out their faith is not conducive to building the Body.

 

[Fauken]

This isn’t about being in sin. It’s about casting judgements based on nothing but your own opinion.

 

[MamasBoy33]

Yes i stated itv was my own opinion.

 

[MamasBoy33]

You remind sort of the Pope Bloggers. Everything he says they twist.
You do that to me all day. Lol

 

[Fauken]

And you don’t see an issue in accusing your brothers and sisters in Christ of such things based on only that?