Do Muslims Worship A Black Stone?

[dolphinlove]

Maybe they don’t view it as an idol. Define idol.

an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed.

 

[R_not]

Why are you and the other catholics not stopping the likes of Kennedy, Pelosi, Biden, ? say no more…

They are Democratically elected and I don’t know in what context you are talking about. Anyway, I think you need to read the rules again and pay attention to the part about politics.

Are you sure you want to go down this dung road? Lets think about Millingo a minute… Or…even worse…

What is worse? Rev Wright and that sort of ilk? I don’t know about Millingo so I cannot comment on this.

Again, you are just as accountable by your own standards.

I think you should review the laws of our lands and what we did to the pediphile priests! VERSES what imams, clerics and ayatollahs do - they outright MARRY 9 year olds! I think you need to go and do some more reading about islam and what is being done in muslim lands. A good place to start is jihadwatch.org, and also faithfreedom.org when you get done there I can suggest some books.

You don’t have to read all of jihadwatch, but do some searches on ‘child brides ayatollah’ or something like that. And THEN - this one is the kicker!! Read up on mohammed - that guy these muslims follow - he married a child. So, talk about pediphilia?!

When you finish you should find out about what the meaning of jihad and fatwa is and what is the highest form of jihad and what is the lowest - that ‘inner struggle’ being the lowest form of jihad. And who issued the first fatwa - mohammed did against a woman poet and while she was breast feeding her child his thugs killed her. Yeah - great ‘prophet’! /sarcasm

I don’t know where you live, but how many do you tolerate that are not like you?

Well, across the street is a black family, next door to me is a Mexican family, on the other side of me is a white woman with her kids, and I was raised in a Mexican community. I work with Chinese (I got a Chinese boss), and a Chinese coworker who is a Buddhist, and a Japanese who is an athiest, a couple of Catholic Philippinos (whose country is being attacked by muslims who are unable to tolerate others and one was in a hotel that was bombed by a muslim(s)). I also work with Vietnamese, whites, blacks and Hindus, and one muslim who works the night shift.

Tell me how you can come off like this considering history?

When you learn some then explain what you mean by this.

I have heard a range of name calling titles slung by catholics to other catholics since day one being here.

And your point? When you learn the terms that muslims use come back. That term is what they use against us. Read the article. The term kafur is the equivalent to the ‘n’ word. And they have no problem describing us as kafur - just because someone has caught on to islam and writes the truth about it.

You really don’t want me to hold you to your standard, trust me. I have links that I can post like you do. I don’t because I think that is a cheap shot.

As for cheap shots - your posts are full of them. I go back to you needing to learn a lot more about islam. These muslims are doing da’wa - sometimes it is spelled dawaa.

Da’wa: Definition: In Islam, da’wa means a “call” or “invitation,” and has been used to refer to a person being “called” to follow Islam. However, it has developed into the idea of a “mission” or “propaganda,” either in a political or religious sense.
Actually Da’wa is considered to be some type of “Jihad” its called “The Word Jihad” (aka Jihad Alkalema) , per (Quran 25:52) I agree this holds for you as well.

Inaction is a hard thing to judge the way you do.
What did you do to help the victims of pedephile priests? How did you personally prevent those acts?

I think you need to read the above about pediphiles. It is fully sanctioned in islam - sharia law is just fine with it while our laws treat it as a crime, catch the perp, and then punish them if applicable and found guilty.

sharia law sanctions it, as does islam and their ‘prophet’ is what these guys follow - and he did it.

Learn the difference between the laws that govern each, the BASIC teachings of each, and the past and the present. We are guilty of slavery and we stopped slavery. It is still being carried on in muslim lands and some have even brought their slaves here to the USA - and are now in prison. I am sure some have not been caught, but when they are caught our laws deal with it. Slavery is not only practiced in islam, but mohammed practiced it and the slave traders that our slaves came from were mostly muslims. Our slavery is in the past, while islam’s slavery is not.

We have been guilty of things and those things are in the past while muslims slaughterings of people just because they are Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, and Christian, etc. are still going on around this globe. And the thing about all these deaths - the muslims have killed more muslims than anyone else too. Just because they were of a different sect of islam.

Stonings are still being done in islam, etc. And all it takes is for one guy to say that the woman is guilty - and that woman can be stoned.

 

[notsmart]

an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed.

They claim this box is a deity? I see no such claims. Please be kind enough to provide citations to such.

 

[notsmart]

Anyway, I think you need to read the rules again and pay attention to the part about politics.

And, “my best freind is black” argument has no weight whatsoever.

When you learn some then explain what you mean by this.

? You are considering yourself “learned”?

And your point? When you learn the terms that muslims use come back

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I’ll post within forum rules thank you kindly. Karl Keating is the boss, not you sir.

That term is what they use against us. Read the article. The term kafur is the equivalent to the ‘n’ word. And they have no problem describing us as kafur - just because someone has caught on to islam and writes the truth about it.

Heretic, Anathama, really? Terms that religions can use? OF COURSE any religion can use terms to describe those not in their faith. Seperated Bretheren anyone?

As for cheap shots - your posts are full of them.

Show me what you mean?

I go back to you needing to learn a lot more about islam. These muslims are doing da’wa - sometimes it is spelled dawaa.

Da’wa: Definition: In Islam, da’wa means a “call” or “invitation,” and has been used to refer to a person being “called” to follow Islam. However, it has developed into the idea of a “mission” or “propaganda,” either in a political or religious sense.
Actually Da’wa is considered to be some type of “Jihad” its called “The Word Jihad” (aka Jihad Alkalema) , per (Quran 25:52) I agree this holds for you as well

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How so?

I think you need to read the above about pediphiles. It is fully sanctioned in islam - sharia law is just fine with it while our laws treat it as a crime, catch the perp, and then punish them if applicable and found guilty.

“Our laws”? Please explain.

sharia law sanctions it, as does islam and their ‘prophet’ is what these guys follow - and he did it.

Going back to his time frame, plenty would sicken you that was allowable per CC laws…

Learn the difference between the laws that govern each, the BASIC teachings of each, and the past and the present. We are guilty of slavery and we stopped slavery.

“We”?
Exactly what do you mean here? All USA citizens? You are aware this forum is global?

It is still being carried on in muslim lands and some have even brought their slaves here to the USA - and are now in prison. I am sure some have not been caught, but when they are caught our laws deal with it. Slavery is not only practiced in islam, but mohammed practiced it and the slave traders that our slaves came from were mostly muslims. Our slavery is in the past, while islam’s slavery is not.

Please don’t bring up slavery until you read my citations which I hope you will read, but doubt you will.

We have been guilty of things and those things are in the past while muslims slaughterings of people just because they are Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, and Christian, etc. are still going on around this globe. And the thing about all these deaths - the muslims have killed more muslims than anyone else too. Just because they were of a different sect of islam.

You need to think about this, very very carefully.

Stonings are still being done in islam, etc

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Sadly, there are some countries that do still.

And all it takes is for one guy to say that the woman is guilty - and that woman can be stoned./

If you say so. I think at this point, it hardly matters.

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[R_not]

notsmart:
Your post is too hard to read and most of your comments do not make sense. You bring up pediphile priests and then say that when the muslims practice it, or that mohammed not only practiced it but that is who muslims follow - it isn’t relevent. Make up your mind. I find your ‘circles’ of logic illogical.

As for the Democrats in office - I vote and then if my candidate doesn’t make it - that is life. All I can do is make sure that emails get out to them to know my view and to vote the next time. I don’t go out, like muslims have in their lands, and kill those I don’t like. Look at Pakistan - they don’t like someone they just try to kill 'em. In the Philippines they are after the government, and the people. I guess they just like killing people.

In Egypt, we have seen many leaders die at the hands of muslims in the last several decades.

The laws of our lands are for “us”. I include the United States of America and our citizens. Our laws deal with pediphiles. I don’t know what your problem with that is?!

If you know more pediphile priests and live in a different country - then you make sure your country deals with them. Geez, or write to the Bishop,etc. Do something instead of telling me that there is a problem. I know no pediphile priests and if I did I would turn the guy in!

If you know about islam then the questions you are asking are rather inane to me. I don’t know the point you are getting at unless you are a muslim trying to prove some point. then you know exactly what a kafur is.

Italian writer Oriana Fallaci, said: **“A moderate Islam does not exist. It does not exist because there is no difference between Good Islam and Bad Islam. There is Islam and that it the end of it. Islam is the Koran, and nothing other than the Koran.“ **(Oriana Fallaci”The Force of Reason” post-script page 305 February 2006)]

Papal documents for what? Learning about islam?! I think that learning history and about islam would be best from the sources - the koran and hadiths, its history and about its prophet.

If you want me to look at documents - then provide the website.

 

[notsmart]

Your post is too hard to read and most of your comments do not make sense.

You are great at cut and paste!

Papal documents for what?

I expected this much. Go to my post and read the 2 I mention. There are more you know.

Learning about islam?! I think that learning history and about islam would be best from the sources - the koran and hadiths, its history and about its prophet.

Then, if you say this- use those sources to show the black stone is worthy of your critic. No one has done so.

If you want me to look at documents - then provide the website.

You can find both documents at the Holy See official site.
Have fun reading, once you can rip yourself away from muslim topics. Worry about your own first.

 

[R_not]

I see you fixed up your post. You sound like a muslim because when I mention the violence that the muslims are doing in some corner of the world - I get the same dire warning.

Learn the difference between a bad Pope and a ‘prophet’ who was a looter, a mass murderer, a marauding gangster, a pedophile, an assasin, a lustful womanizer, an enslaver, a liar, and what not and that a whole ‘religion’ is based on and that muslims look upon as free of sin and the highest of men and who they emulate. mohammed kissed and spitted and snorted and threw rocks and did whatever to the rock and muslims forever after do the same thing and don’t even know why. they say it has something to do with sins and say that it was around during the time of Abraham. Well, there is nothing in the Bible about it and those sources are more reliable than the word of mouth/memory of jihadists who did not live during mohammed’s time and were the authors of the koran and hadiths. Those texts were written about 200 years after mohammed died.

We have discussed the black rock - the stone that mohammed worshiped in his pagan religion. What else do you want to say about it?

 

[R_not]

You can find both documents at the Holy See official site.
Have fun reading, once you can rip yourself away from muslim topics. Worry about your own first.

I will tell you what - you worry about yourself and I will worry about me. You are just another muslim telling me what I am supposed to do while you keep on with your rants. Behaving as your id hasn’t kept your secret very well.

I will not research a bad Pope. I am sure there were plenty of them, and they are men. they are not Jesus Christ. Did you know that there was a woman Pope, or that at one point in time there were two Popes? Or that many Popes served more for the Kings than they did the Church? Gee, go figure. Bad men, bad Popes. I personally don’t care about Pope Alexander and you know why? Because he is not relevant to me, nor to what I want to know.

I am not going to go searching for some obscure documents so as to please you. you remind me of some muslims telling me to go to some University to go search for some articles, or some muslims telling me to go and find an ayatollah. Yeah right! Like I am going to go waste my gas and/or time doing those things. Just to hear pure hogwash.

Just because you are not able to do two things at once - I am able to do so. I can be a Catholic and discuss islam. Wow! A person who can do more than one thing at a time! I just don’t want to blog on the other sites - it is my perogative. So, I am just happy doing what I do and I would suggest to you to ‘get over it’.

I cannot believe your gall. OH by the way, what are your credentials? I posted a quote that I liked - ‘get over it’. You certainly have a lot to ‘get over’!

 

[notsmart]

And your beloved JPII kissed the Holy Koran.
You ought to remember that.

I see you fixed up your post. You sound like a muslim because when I mention the violence that the muslims are doing in some corner of the world - I get the same dire warning.

Learn the difference between a bad Pope and a ‘prophet’ who was a looter, a mass murderer, a marauding gangster, a pedophile, an assasin, a lustful womanizer, an enslaver, a liar, and what not and that a whole ‘religion’ is based on and that muslims look upon as free of sin and the highest of men and who they emulate. mohammed kissed and spitted and snorted and threw rocks and did whatever to the rock and muslims forever after do the same thing and don’t even know why. they say it has something to do with sins and say that it was around during the time of Abraham. Well, there is nothing in the Bible about it and those sources are more reliable than the word of mouth/memory of jihadists who did not live during mohammed’s time and were the authors of the koran and hadiths. Those texts were written about 200 years after mohammed died.

We have discussed the black rock - the stone that mohammed worshiped in his pagan religion. What else do you want to say about it?

 

[notsmart]

I will tell you what - you worry about yourself and I will worry about me. You are just another muslim telling me what I am supposed to do while you keep on with your rants. Behaving as your id hasn’t kept your secret very well.

 

[notsmart]

Sublimis Deus, and Romanus Pontifex

Go to the Holy See for a view.

I am just getting started.

 

[R_not]

And your beloved JPII kissed the Holy Koran.
You ought to remember that.

Too bad. I wouldn’t do the same. Kissing a book that is full of battle tactics and hatred against others is not something I would kiss. I would suspect that he is ignorant of islam, as many are ignorant of it.

Why should I remember that? You can do that for me.

 

[notsmart]

Too bad. I wouldn’t do the same. Kissing a book that is full of battle tactics and hatred against others is not something I would kiss. I would suspect that he is ignorant of islam, as many are ignorant of it.

Why should I remember that? You can do that for me.

You should have been JPII’s advisor. Its a shame you could not.

I am unsubscribing due to your insults and violation of forum rules.

 

[R_not]

R_not;4222776:

The secret is out that I am a TRINITARIAN?
In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, Amen.
I accept all dogmas of the Catholic Church. Do you?

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I don’t think you are ready to now at this point in your journey either.

It’s a cudundrom isnt it? Title of Vicar of Christ? As pope?

LOL!!!

This information is as credible as the Da Vinci code is!
The catholics here, need to get out more…

Okay.

If the documents from your holy mother church are hogwash… They talk about things you could understand. Intolerance.

I am an unbaptised and talk with all people even those who dont agree with me.

Get over what?

The nerve of me to not agree with you!

I am claiming no credentials. Do you?

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The piles are high, but I seem to find a way to climb through them all.

I think that some of your questions have been over the top and I answered them concerning my life.

You can disagree but you have only swished across subjects by telling me that I am wrong. You have done nothing to prove your points. As for credentials - you are the one who asked for the credentials of the one that I quoted - go search for yourself. I don’t really care about your credentials, you defend islam and are blind to all they kill and subjugate. that is fine - it is you, not me.

I told you very plainly what to ‘get over’ - go reread the post.

I don’t care to go searching for stuff - give me a website or sit on your own documents. I don’t care either way. I haven’t read the Da Vinci code, nor seen the movie so I don’t know what you are talking about.

You don’t know too much islamic history - past or present, which is what you are basing your defense of islam on I suppose. So, I think that until you do some reading your posts continue to be inane and trying to prove some obscure point.

I didn’t write that the church is hogwash - I wrote that the muslim clerics were hogwash. Maybe this is some of your problem - your reading comprehension isn’t too good. As for the Church documents that you want me to read - give me a website and I will look at them. And if you read them as well as you read the posts - I doubt that we will have too much to discuss anyway.

 

[R_not]

You should have been JPII’s advisor. Its a shame you could not.

I am unsubscribing due to your insults and violation of forum rules.

Wow, go look in a mirror. talk about someone who cannot take anyone disagreeing with them!

good bye and God be with you. I hope you don’t defend islam anymore than you have here. A lot of people have died and die because of that ‘religion’.

 

[notsmart]

Sublimis Deus, and Romanus Pontifex Go to the Holy See for a view.

 

[R_not]

Sublimis Deus, and Romanus Pontifex Go to the Holy See for a view.

I am not going to sit back and lie about islam - either by omission or lack of saying what needs to be said about it. Nor will I appease muslims.

Sorry, but if that is what you want me to read - I have read several books that mislead too many people while too many people die because of islam and its adherents elsewhere deceive the ignorant about it.

You can defend it - but I prefer defending the innocent. Our children, our descendents - so they don’t be condemned to islam. Because if you knew islam that is what happened when people bent to the will of islam.

 

[notsmart]

I am not defending Islam.
I am defending logical reasonable debate.
And calling out anyone who won’t play fair by their own standards they hold others to.
Again, if you missed it:

Sublimis Deus, and Romanus Pontifex Go to the Holy See for a view.

I am not going to sit back and lie about islam - either by omission or lack of saying what needs to be said about it. Nor will I appease muslims.

Sorry, but if that is what you want me to read - I have read several books that mislead too many people while too many people die because of islam and its adherents elsewhere deceive the ignorant about it.

You can defend it - but I prefer defending the innocent. Our children, our descendents - so they don’t be condemned to islam. Because if you knew islam that is what happened when people bent to the will of islam.

 

[dolphinlove]

They claim this box is a deity? I see no such claims. Please be kind enough to provide citations to such.

I wrote an image or deity.
To muslims, this is an image of an object supposedly from God

 

[R_not]

I am not defending Islam.
I am defending logical reasonable debate.
And calling out anyone who won’t play fair by their own standards they hold others to.
Again, if you missed it:

Sublimis Deus, and Romanus Pontifex Go to the Holy See for a view.

Those docs are not there and I don’t have the patience to keep looking for obscure docs. Give me the websites and I will look at them.

‘logical’? And ‘standards’? Defending the indefensible and intolerant is not logical and without a standard.