do you have to be Catholic to get into Heaven??

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Nope. Just be a good person.

Although, in Buddhist cosmology, heaven is a grand place for people with high karma. The problem is that the people there get so worked up into the grandeur of it that they never become enlightened. I’m still learning about it though.

Namo Tassa. 👍
 
Nope. Just be a good person.

Although, in Buddhist cosmology, heaven is a grand place for people with high karma. The problem is that the people there get so worked up into the grandeur of it that they never become enlightened. I’m still learning about it though.

Namo Tassa. 👍
God Bless you in your journey:)
 
Nope. Just be a good person.

Although, in Buddhist cosmology, heaven is a grand place for people with high karma. The problem is that the people there get so worked up into the grandeur of it that they never become enlightened. I’m still learning about it though.

Namo Tassa. 👍
Buddha didn’t die on a cross for anyone…

there is no real presence of Buddha… that survived and exists in the world today…

you have to die and be resurrected for that to happen…
 
I heard something on Catholic Answers Radio years ago concerning this…

I can’t remember who said it but he was a guest on the show and he said that all Christians will be Catholic before they get into Heaven. If the person is a protestant and dies in a state of grace, he will go to Purgatory and then will learn that the Roman Catholic Church was the One Church… founded by Christ and will then have to, in Purgatory… well, to paraphrase his words… he will have to become Catholic…

i totally belive this.

so why are we not working harder to make everyone Catholic??

true, we can’t make anyone Catholic any more than we can make everyone Republican 🙂 (Too bad, huh??) 😃

but there are many things we can do…

and it seems we aren’t doing them… seems we Catholics don’t want to make too many more Catholics… (genearlly speakign)
I’m just curious to know where do catholics got that believe of the “purgatory”? Is not in God’s word as far as I know, any idea?
 
I’m just curious to know where do catholics got that believe of the “purgatory”? Is not in God’s word as far as I know, any idea?
Catholics believe God’s Word is revealed both through Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.

However, Purgatory* is *a belief that is Scriptural. Just the word “purgatory” is not found in the Bible…but then again, neither is the word “trinity” yet most mainline Christian denominations believe in the trinity even if it’s not in the Bible.
 
Catholics believe God’s Word is revealed both through Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.

However, Purgatory* is *a belief that is Scriptural. Just the word “purgatory” is not found in the Bible…but then again, neither is the word “trinity” yet most mainline Christian denominations believe in the trinity even if it’s not in the Bible.
Show me in the bible.
 
Show me in the bible.
Source here.
Christ refers to the **sinner who “will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” (Matt. 12:32), **suggesting that one can be freed after death of the consequences of one’s sins. Similarly, Paul tells us that, when we are judged, each man’s work will be tried. And what happens if a righteous man’s work fails the test? **“He will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” (1 Cor 3:15). **Now this loss, this penalty, can’t refer to consignment to hell, since no one is saved there; and heaven can’t be meant, since there is no suffering (“fire”) there. **The Catholic doctrine of purgatory alone explains this passage. **
Then, of course, there is the Bible’s approval of prayers for the dead: “In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; for if he were not expecting the dead to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he **made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin” (2 Macc. 12:43–45). **Prayers are not needed by those in heaven, and no one can help those in hell. That means some people must be in a third condition, at least temporarily. This verse so clearly illustrates the existence of purgatory that, at the time of the Reformation, Protestants had to cut the books of the Maccabees out of their Bibles in order to avoid accepting the doctrine.

Prayers for the dead and the consequent doctrine of purgatory have been part of the true religion since before the time of Christ. Not only can we show it was practiced by the Jews of the time of the Maccabees, but it has even been retained by Orthodox Jews today, who recite a prayer known as the Mourner’s Kaddish for eleven months after the death of a loved one so that the loved one may be purified. It was not the Catholic Church that added the doctrine of purgatory. Rather, any change in the original teaching has taken place in the Protestant churches, which rejected a doctrine that had always been believed by Jews and Christians.

Why Go To Purgatory?

Why would anyone go to purgatory? To be cleansed, for “**nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]” (Rev. 21:27). **Anyone who has not been completely freed of sin and its effects is, to some extent, “unclean.” Through repentance he may have gained the grace needed to be worthy of heaven, which is to say, he has been forgiven and his soul is spiritually alive. But that’s not sufficient for gaining entrance into heaven. He needs to be cleansed completely.

Fundamentalists claim, as an article in Jimmy Swaggart’s magazine, The Evangelist, put it, that “Scripture clearly reveals that all the demands of divine justice on the sinner have been completely fulfilled in Jesus Christ. It also reveals that Christ has totally redeemed, or purchased back, that which was lost. The advocates of a purgatory (and the necessity of prayer for the dead) say, in effect, that the redemption of Christ was incomplete. . . . It has all been done for us by Jesus Christ, there is nothing to be added or done by man.”

It is entirely correct to say that Christ accomplished all of our salvation for us on the cross. But that does not settle the question of how this redemption is applied to us. Scripture reveals that it is applied to us over the course of time through, among other things, the process of sanctification through which the Christian is made holy. Sanctification involves suffering (Rom. 5:3–5), and purgatory is the final stage of sanctification that some of us need to undergo before we enter heaven. Purgatory is the final phase of Christ’s applying to us the purifying redemption that he accomplished for us by his death on the cross.

No Contradiction

The Fundamentalist resistance to the biblical doctrine of purgatory presumes there is a contradiction between Christ’s redeeming us on the cross and the process by which we are sanctified. There isn’t. And a Fundamentalist cannot say that suffering in the final stage of sanctification conflicts with the sufficiency of Christ’s atonement without saying that suffering in the early stages of sanctification also presents a similar conflict. The Fundamentalist has it backward: Our suffering in sanctification does not take away from the cross. Rather, the cross produces our sanctification, which results in our suffering, because **"[f]or the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant; later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness" (Heb. 12:11). **

Nothing Unclean

Purgatory makes sense because there is a requirement that a soul not just be declared to be clean, but actually be clean, before a man may enter into eternal life. After all, if a guilty soul is merely “covered,” if its sinful state still exists but is officially ignored, then it is still a guilty soul. It is still unclean.

Catholic theology takes seriously the notion that “nothing unclean shall enter heaven.” From this it is inferred that a less than cleansed soul, even if “covered,” remains a dirty soul and isn’t fit for heaven. It needs to be cleansed or “purged” of its remaining imperfections. The cleansing occurs in purgatory. Indeed, the necessity of the purging is taught in other passages of Scripture, such as 2 Thessalonians 2:13, which declares that God chose us “to be saved through sanctification by the Spirit.” Sanctification is thus not an option, something that may or may not happen before one gets into heaven. It is an absolute requirement, as Hebrews 12:14 states that we must strive “for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.”
 
mpjw, I did see your comment, but I didn’t think it needed a response. But to your question I would have to answer no, you would not enter heaven if you died as a non-Catholic. There are plenty of Church dogmas that say: Outside the Church there is no salvation.
The bible tells us about non-Catholics who went to heaven. Hebrews 11 mentions Old Testament saints who were not Catholic.
Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Joseph, Moses and Rahab.

Then there is John the Baptist who lived before the Catholic Church was formed, the thief on the cross Luke 23:43 Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.”
and Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego from Daniel 3.

Hebrew 11:32 And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel and the prophets, 33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies. 35 Women received back their dead, raised to life again. Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection. 36 Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison. 37 They were stoned; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword.
 
Show me in the bible.
you are correct Rexpi trinity is not in the bible.

In due respect, when one talks about the trinity they are talking about exactly what is in the bible…

the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as one
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. I John 5:7
God Bless

mpjw2
 
Hi all I believe we accidentally missed a question I posted in 433
Why did Jesus suffer and die the way He did?

no biblical verse answer, but one straight from your heart.
thank you

God bless

mpjw2
 
To MPJW2

Jesus died so that the way to Heaven and Eternal Life would be once again available Man. Because of the sin of Adam, his descendants lost the chance of being in God’s presence. Adams sin of disobedience was a rejection of the special relationship he had with God and this tainted him and those that came after. Jesus the Christ, by his suffering and death washed away this stain and opened the gates to Heaven to all. Those who died before the sacrifice on the cross – an act of total selflessness and obedience on Jesus’ part – could not enter into Heaven – unless God willed it. Not even Moses nor Elijah, could be in God’s presence until they heard the good news and until the sacrifice on the cross was completed.
Jesus descended to the dead to proclaim the good news on Good Friday to Adam and his descendants.

All of us today benefit by the sacrifice on the cross – Heaven is available to all who follow Jesus and his teachings. It is for all of us a choice – and this choice will always be available as long as we live.

cr
 
The bible tells us about non-Catholics who went to heaven. Hebrews 11 mentions Old Testament saints who were not Catholic.
Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Joseph, Moses and Rahab.

No. Only those who heard and believed in the good news of salvation and were witnesses of God’s love in the works, teachings and suffering of Jesus, and of the Sacrifice on the Cross could enter into Heaven. Jesus descended to the dead, preached the good news of salvation to those you mention and they were brought into God’s presence.
 
If you’re asking how you can “get into Heaven” then you’ve already failed. The question isn’t “how can I get to heaven,” as if you’re asking how to get into some exclusive golf course or how to get into the VIP of your favorite night club. We see the person of Jesus Christ, true God and true Man, who suffered on the cross and gave Himself in perfect obedience to the Father unto death for our redemption.

To whom is this grace offered? To EVERYONE! That is not to say that everyone is saved; rather, everyone can be saved. Preach the Gospel to them, and if the Spirit sparks faith in them, they can be baptized and saved. Are Catholics saved? Certainly! Lutherans? Certainly! There is no ‘limited atonement’; to Calvinists or to Catholics.

“Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” (Mark 16:16, NIV)
 
ron77nyc;5728032:
The bible tells us about non-Catholics who went to heaven. Hebrews 11 mentions Old Testament saints who were not Catholic.
Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Joseph, Moses and Rahab.
No. Only those who heard and believed in the good news of salvation and were witnesses of God’s love in the works, teachings and suffering of Jesus, and of the Sacrifice on the Cross could enter into Heaven. Jesus descended to the dead, preached the good news of salvation to those you mention and they were brought into God’s presence.
So…do you have to be Catholic to get into Heaven?? Were all the above under the authority of the pope or was their faith sufficient?

James 2:23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS,” and he was called the friend of God.
 
To MPJW2

All of us today benefit by the sacrifice on the cross – Heaven is available to all who follow Jesus and his teachings. **It is for all of us a choice **-- and this choice will always be available as long as we live.
Hi Charles,

You just wrapped it up in a nutshell…the simple news of the Gospel.

God gave us the way…the **only **way to salvation…Jesus Christ.
I agree it is our choice to follow that way.

as we are following Him there will be times in our journey in which we will fail to follow (sin)
Thank God for the redeeming blood of Jesus, and when we confess to God, The blood of Jesus washes away our confessed sins, forgives us and restores our souls to grace.

unfortunately, I have this sinking feeling that there are more catholics than achris who believe not only is Jesus the way to heaven but one must also belong to, believe and follow the teachings of the RCC.

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mpjw… , you would not enter heaven if you died as a non-Catholic. There are plenty of Church dogmas that say: Outside the Church there is no salvation.
Keep in mind i was a catholic in my youth years

In due respect, there are catholics who believe that God will save even if I die as non-catholic.

There is obviously a difference of understanding on what the RCC teaches within the catholic church.

No one has been able to quote scripture which says to me and all non catholics who previously been catholic, we would have to return to the catholic church to enter heaven

ironic thing is as a non catholic I am more assured of my salvation than Catholics are of theirs.

You do not hear catholics say they have assurance of their salvation.

I believe as faithful as catholics are they are saved.

I believe…

all you have made the choice to believe in Jesus and to follow His ways.

all of you faithful will be pleasantly surprised on he day when you enter into eternity and find out there is no purgatory and God welcomes you home with open arms into heaven:D

thank you

God bless
 
AChris congratulations, you are the first one who echoed my beliefs as a young catholic. I too believed only catholics can make it to heaven.

I realize you are not judging me but rather answering a direct question.

If I do not become a catholic it is your belief that God will not save me.

In all due respect, I flat out do not believe you or any documentation you can quote other than the bible which says that.

You can not quote the bible because catholic is not even in the bible.

I believe there are many catholics who believe like you but have not posted

I also believe there are many who totally disagree with you

If you were to look at Jesus, would you give the same answer??
…look at Jesus,not the church teachings or dogmas…but look at Jesus.

Just answer one more question if I may ask?

Why did Jesus suffer and die the way He did?

no biblical verse answer, but one straight from your heart.

Why??

with your answer remember there are non christians who are wondering too

thank you

God bless

mpjw2
mpjw2,

From your posting, I realize I think about the Church very much differently than you do.
  1. “Catholic” means “universal” - that there may be Catholics in different cities, Rome, Jerusalem, Corinth, etc, but they are all the same “Church”, which is universal, or Catholic. The word Catholic doesn’t have to be in the Bible. Remember, Christ didn’t write anything in the Bible. He knew how to write, but he didn’t leave us a single written word. Why is that? Because He didn’t intend for us to follow a book like a rulebook. He left us men with authority. He left us a Church. And what these men preached was written down, and that’s what became the New Testament. So the New Testament is nothing other than the Catholic Church’s teaching. Consider this one:
    audiosancto.org/auweb/20090823-On-Ecclesiology-Part-1-Foundations.mp3
  2. How do you “look at Jesus” without taking into consideration what the Church teaches us about Him? All we know about Jesus Christ is what the Church tells us. Yes, I would give the same answer because who am I? What does it matter what I think? The authority of the Church has already answered the question: Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus: Outside the Church nobody is saved. I would look up at Christ crucified, and beg pardon for all those who refuse to believe, and I’d consider how much pain it must cause Him that His sufferings will have been wasted on all those who refuse to take advantage of them.
  3. Christ gave His life for us as a bloody sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin. His ancestors always killed animals for this, because the punishment for sin is death. His sacrifice was perfect, God became the “Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world”…which is what happens at Mass. That’s why we have an altar, priests, a victim etc…because we are offering the perfect sacrifice to God. This is the “mystery of faith”. So that’s why the ancient Jewish form of worship is the same as what we have in the Mass. His sacrifice wasn’t for “all”. It was for “many” i.e. the “faithful”: the Catholics.
  4. What you seem to want is sentimental theology. Wouldn’t it be so nice and sweet if nobody went to hell? God is just. Who are we to think He won’t give us what we deserve if we don’t humbly acknowledge the authority of the Church, and submit to her, our holy mother, with all our minds and wills?
  5. And what about the ones who die without guilt, like aborted babies? Because of original sin and their lack of baptism, they can’t enter into God’s presence. The Church has never said there’s no such thing as limbo. This is why abortion is so bad.
 
I’m just curious to know where do catholics got that believe of the “purgatory”? Is not in God’s word as far as I know, any idea?
the RCC doesn’t teach anything that conflicts with Scirpture… If have that idea in your head, you’ve been brainwashed…

there are these:

1Cor 3:13
st Mt 12:32 (forgiveness in the age to come)
Maccabees 12:44

and many others…

there is the parable about the man who was forgiven but then wouldn’t forgive his fellow man (st Mt 18:23). True, Cathlic scholars may not be unanimous on the interpretation of that one… but it says that you will be “turned over to the torturers” until you have paid the last penny of the debt… UNTIL… meaning there could be a time when you no longer have to pay (atone for sins)… when you have been sufficietly purified.

Most people (non-C’s) think that Jesus paid the entire price and therefore we don’t have to do anything…we don’t have to atone for our sins (expiation). Not true. Jesus opened the door to Heaven. He made a way for us to atone… through Him… not a way to just go directly into Heaven with the stain of sin still on our souls (sin does ugly things to the soul, whether we always see that or not )… Those who focus on Christ and do waht he says are atoning for their sins… especially if they officially offer their sufferings up for that purpose…

Rev 21:27 says no impure thing will enter heaven… How do we get pure, we Christians? Just being forgiven does not make us automatically pure… not hardly!! forgiveness is just the 1st step in our transformation process… “Work out your salvation w/ fear and trembling (Phil 2;12)”

The RCC does not make up doctrines… although that is the way the accusation goes…

remember Satan is called the Accuser of the Brethren… Of course he is going to accuse those who are in Jesus’ Church… and he only established one… all the others are man-made…
 
God gave us the way…the **only **way to salvation…Jesus Christ.
I agree it is our choice to follow that way.

as we are following Him there will be times in our journey in which we will fail to follow (sin)
Thank God for the redeeming blood of Jesus, and when we confess to God, The blood of Jesus washes away our confessed sins, forgives us and restores our souls to grace.

unfortunately, I have this sinking feeling that there are more catholics than achris who believe not only is Jesus the way to heaven but one must also belong to, believe and follow the teachings of the RCC.
With all due respect, mpjw, I see a parallel in your “Jesus is the only way to salvation”:

If you were in dialogue with a very good, holy, charitable Muslim, he might take offense to your saying that he can’t get to heaven with Jesus. But it doesn’t change the fact that it’s true–he can’t get to heaven without Jesus.

Similarly, when we’re in dialogue with a very good, holy, charitable non-Catholic, she might take offense to our saying, “outside the Church there is no salvation.” But it doesn’t change the fact that it’s true. The non-Catholic cannot get to heaven without the CC.

However, salvation is not limited to the visible confines of the CC.

“Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth” are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: “the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements.” Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to “Catholic unity.” CCC 819
 
A good description of the issue can be found on wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_Ecclesiam_nulla_salus

Especially under the 2nd heading:
Roman Catholic statements of this teaching

22 Popes and councils explain very clearly what they meant. They leave no room for exceptions. To twist it to mean the exact opposite of what it clearly says is just wrong.

It’s not like the protestants who hold onto one line in the Bible like for example, how we need faith to be saved…in complete disregard for the Church’s authority to interpret what that means…no, this is the Church’s interpretation of what “there is no salvation outside the church” means. This is what the Catholic Church holds, teaches, proclaims…has always done so, and will always do so…even though some recent documents seem to imply otherwise.
 
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