do you have to be Catholic to get into Heaven??

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Popes and councils explain very clearly what they meant. They leave no room for exceptions. To twist it to mean the exact opposite of what it clearly says is just wrong.
Popes and councils have never been clear about the gospel. They give the impression that you get salvation by belonging to the right church and being a good person. Faith is not really all that important.

I didn’t make this up. I found it. It’s the sad truth. The Catholic Church has been mass producing Catholics who are not Christians.

catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0027.html
“But many Catholics to this day have not learned the Catholic and biblical doctrine. They think we are saved by good intentions or being nice or sincere or trying a little harder or doing a sufficient number of good deeds. Over the past twenty-five years I have asked hundreds of Catholic college students the question: If you should die tonight and God asks you why he should let you into heaven, what would you answer? The vast majority of them simply do not know the right answer to this, the most important of all questions, the very essence of Christianity. They usually do not even mention Jesus!”
 
If

“Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” (Mark 16:16, NIV)
what does it mean to believe?

it means, as it says elsewhere in the Bible… doing everything Jesus commands…

“Why do you say Lord, Lord, but do not do waht i command?” (etc) Jesus said not many find the NARROW road that leads to eternal life… the narrow road is His Church… adhering to its teachings…
 
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Christ refers to the **sinner who “will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” (Matt. 12:32), **suggesting that one can be freed after death of the consequences of one’s sins. Similarly, Paul tells us that, when we are judged, each man’s work will be tried. And what happens if a righteous man’s work fails the test? **“He will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” (1 Cor 3:15). **Now this loss, this penalty, can’t refer to consignment to hell, since no one is saved there; and heaven can’t be meant, since there is no suffering (“fire”) there. **The Catholic doctrine of purgatory alone explains this passage. **
Then, of course, there is the Bible’s approval of prayers for the dead: “In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; for if he were not expecting the dead to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he **made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin” (2 Macc. 12:43–45). **Prayers are not needed by those in heaven, and no one can help those in hell. That means some people must be in a third condition, at least temporarily. This verse so clearly illustrates the existence of purgatory that, at the time of the Reformation, Protestants had to cut the books of the Maccabees out of their Bibles in order to avoid accepting the doctrine.

Prayers for the dead and the consequent doctrine of purgatory have been part of the true religion since before the time of Christ. Not only can we show it was practiced by the Jews of the time of the Maccabees, but it has even been retained by Orthodox Jews today, who recite a prayer known as the Mourner’s Kaddish for eleven months after the death of a loved one so that the loved one may be purified. It was not the Catholic Church that added the doctrine of purgatory. Rather, any change in the original teaching has taken place in the Protestant churches, which rejected a doctrine that had always been believed by Jews and Christians.

Why Go To Purgatory?

Why would anyone go to purgatory? To be cleansed, for “**nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]” (Rev. 21:27). **Anyone who has not been completely freed of sin and its effects is, to some extent, “unclean.” Through repentance he may have gained the grace needed to be worthy of heaven, which is to say, he has been forgiven and his soul is spiritually alive. But that’s not sufficient for gaining entrance into heaven. He needs to be cleansed completely.

Fundamentalists claim, as an article in Jimmy Swaggart’s magazine, The Evangelist, put it, that “Scripture clearly reveals that all the demands of divine justice on the sinner have been completely fulfilled in Jesus Christ. It also reveals that Christ has totally redeemed, or purchased back, that which was lost. The advocates of a purgatory (and the necessity of prayer for the dead) say, in effect, that the redemption of Christ was incomplete. . . . It has all been done for us by Jesus Christ, there is nothing to be added or done by man.”

It is entirely correct to say that Christ accomplished all of our salvation for us on the cross. But that does not settle the question of how this redemption is applied to us. Scripture reveals that it is applied to us over the course of time through, among other things, the process of sanctification through which the Christian is made holy. Sanctification involves suffering (Rom. 5:3–5), and purgatory is the final stage of sanctification that some of us need to undergo before we enter heaven. Purgatory is the final phase of Christ’s applying to us the purifying redemption that he accomplished for us by his death on the cross.

No Contradiction

The Fundamentalist resistance to the biblical doctrine of purgatory presumes there is a contradiction between Christ’s redeeming us on the cross and the process by which we are sanctified. There isn’t. And a Fundamentalist cannot say that suffering in the final stage of sanctification conflicts with the sufficiency of Christ’s atonement without saying that suffering in the early stages of sanctification also presents a similar conflict. The Fundamentalist has it backward: Our suffering in sanctification does not take away from the cross. Rather, the cross produces our sanctification, which results in our suffering, because **"[f]or the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant; later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness" (Heb. 12:11). **

Nothing Unclean

Purgatory makes sense because there is a requirement that a soul not just be declared to be clean, but actually be clean, before a man may enter into eternal life. After all, if a guilty soul is merely “covered,” if its sinful state still exists but is officially ignored, then it is still a guilty soul. It is still unclean.

Catholic theology takes seriously the notion that “nothing unclean shall enter heaven.” From this it is inferred that a less than cleansed soul, even if “covered,” remains a dirty soul and isn’t fit for heaven. It needs to be cleansed or “purged” of its remaining imperfections. The cleansing occurs in purgatory. Indeed, the necessity of the purging is taught in other passages of Scripture, such as 2 Thessalonians 2:13, which declares that God chose us “to be saved through sanctification by the Spirit.” Sanctification is thus not an option, something that may or may not happen before one gets into heaven. It is an absolute requirement, as Hebrews 12:14 states that we must strive “for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.”
Very good post… 🙂
 
Popes and councils have never been clear about the gospel. They give the impression that you get salvation by belonging to the right church and being a good person. Faith is not really all that important.

I didn’t make this up. I found it. It’s the sad truth. The Catholic Church has been mass producing Catholics who are not Christians.

catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0027.html
“But many Catholics to this day have not learned the Catholic and biblical doctrine. They think we are saved by good intentions or being nice or sincere or trying a little harder or doing a sufficient number of good deeds. Over the past twenty-five years I have asked hundreds of Catholic college students the question: If you should die tonight and God asks you why he should let you into heaven, what would you answer? The vast majority of them simply do not know the right answer to this, the most important of all questions, the very essence of Christianity. They usually do not even mention Jesus!”
Ron,

You said, “they give the impression…” and “many Catholics to this day…” and “they think…”

You’ve perfectly identified a major difference between Protestantism and Catholicism. Protestants say each individual can interpret Scripture as he sees fit. They deny a universal authority to interpret it. Therefore, you can’t really say one idea is right and another is wrong, because each person has just as much authority as the next. That’s why there are so many protestant organizations.

On the other hand, there is only one Catholic Church, and even though some might not know much theology, or much about the Scriptures, that doesn’t mean the Church itself is wrong or never clearly interprets the gospel…a book the Church itself wrote with God’s holy inspiration.
 
Ron,

You said, “they give the impression…” and “many Catholics to this day…” and “they think…”

You’ve perfectly identified a major difference between Protestantism and Catholicism. Protestants say each individual can interpret Scripture as he sees fit. They deny a universal authority to interpret it. Therefore, you can’t really say one idea is right and another is wrong, because each person has just as much authority as the next. That’s why there are so many protestant organizations.

On the other hand, there is only one Catholic Church, and even though some might not know much theology, or much about the Scriptures, that doesn’t mean the Church itself is wrong or never clearly interprets the gospel…a book the Church itself wrote with God’s holy inspiration.
This is not about Catholic and Protestant. If there were no other religions in the world we could still stay say the Catholic Church is not proclaiming the gospel as it was in the first century. The apostles were very clear…you either believe in the resurrection of Jesus or you don’t. If you don’t then you are not a Christian,
 
I never ceased to be amazed at the misperception of the Church’s teaching since Vatican II.
Vatican II (read the documents at the Vatican site if you want) clearly teaches that there are salvation elements within all true Christian religions. If individuals accept Christ as their savior, then proceed down their own pathway of holiness the Church believes that heaven awaits these individuals.

The Church also teaches us that ONLY the Catholic church offers the full communion with Christ as personally established by Him and passed on down to Peter and his successors. That is why the Church teaches us hope that one day our Christian brethren will join us to be in FULL COMMUNION with the body of Christ in the original church.

So other Christian religion members miss out on the full communion of the Catholic church which resides in both the WORD and TRADITION. As a matter of fact, many converts to our religion report that it is the wonderful tradition and apostolic succession that attracted them in the end…it made them spiritually complete.
 
The answer to your question is no.Catholics will not be the only ones in heaven.Christians of many denominations who have confessed their sins and accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour will be together in heaven one day.Why? Because Jesus promised and that is good enough for me.We don’t need big words or complicated explanations.It all boils down to this promise.You can find this promise in the Bible. God Bless NLM
Correct me if I’m wrong, but (and I know a lot goes into this, and someone is going to tell me anyway, so thank you for your 2 cents in advance…) but I think essentially, one has to be in a state of grace at the time of death. I think that’s pretty much it. Maintaining that & how you get to that point is a topic for discussing the mechanics of all that, but to be in a state of grace is the key I think.
 
I heard something on Catholic Answers Radio years ago concerning this…

I can’t remember who said it but he was a guest on the show and he said that all Christians will be Catholic before they get into Heaven. If the person is a protestant and dies in a state of grace, he will go to Purgatory and then will learn that the Roman Catholic Church was the One Church… founded by Christ and will then have to, in Purgatory… well, to paraphrase his words… he will have to become Catholic…

i totally belive this.

so why are we not working harder to make everyone Catholic??

true, we can’t make anyone Catholic any more than we can make everyone Republican 🙂 (Too bad, huh??) 😃

I think that more appropriate question here is: Can you be Catholic and get into Heaven? I would answer this as a yes. There are many Catholics that understand past all of the pomp and circumstance that it is Christ who died and who rose again and he is all that matters for sinners to be saved by his blood shed on the cross. No matter what we do on our own (works), we could never repay him. But it’s not about repaying him, it’s about God’s grace through faith in him that saves us.
 
This is not about Catholic and Protestant. If there were no other religions in the world we could still stay say the Catholic Church is not proclaiming the gospel as it was in the first century. The apostles were very clear…you either believe in the resurrection of Jesus or you don’t. If you don’t then you are not a Christian,
If the Church said: “you have to belive”, as it did in the gospel, and then later it said, “you have to be in the Church”… that’s saying the same thing…you can’t stay in a pagan or Jewish religion and hope to be saved. What isn’t the same thing is to say it doesn’t matter what religion you’re in, or what you believe - you’ll still be saved.

Everything in Vatican II must be understood in the light of previously defined church teaching.
 
I never ceased to be amazed at the misperception of the Church’s teaching since Vatican II.
Vatican II (read the documents at the Vatican site if you want) clearly teaches that there are salvation elements within all true Christian religions. If individuals accept Christ as their savior, then proceed down their own pathway of holiness the Church believes that heaven awaits these individuals.
Excuse me, but the idea of no salvation outside the Church is not merely a post-Vat II misperception. If anything, the post Vat II “misperception” is that non-Catholics can go to heaven (as non-Catholics). The great missionaries went out to save souls, did they not? And what was their motivation? That nobody outside the Church could be saved. Was that a “misperception of the Church’s teaching since Vatican II”?
 
Correct me if I’m wrong, but (and I know a lot goes into this, and someone is going to tell me anyway, so thank you for your 2 cents in advance…) but I think essentially, one has to be in a state of grace at the time of death. I think that’s pretty much it. Maintaining that & how you get to that point is a topic for discussing the mechanics of all that, but to be in a state of grace is the key I think.
I agree, Jason. One has to have sanctifying grace to be saved, which is God living inside the soul. This begins when a preson is baptized, killed through mortal sin, and given back in the sacrament of confession.
 
If the Church said: “you have to belive”, as it did in the gospel, and then later it said, “you have to be in the Church”… that’s saying the same thing…you can’t stay in a pagan or Jewish religion and hope to be saved. What isn’t the same thing is to say it doesn’t matter what religion you’re in, or what you believe - you’ll still be saved.

Everything in Vatican II must be understood in the light of previously defined church teaching.
Being in the church is not the same as believing in Jesus. Which of the two has eternal life: A Catholic without faith in Jesus or a non-Catholic who has faith in Jesus?
 
If the Church said: “you have to belive”, as it did in the gospel, and then later it said, “you have to be in the Church”… that’s saying the same thing…you can’t stay in a pagan or Jewish religion and hope to be saved. What isn’t the same thing is to say it doesn’t matter what religion you’re in, or what you believe - you’ll still be saved.

Everything in Vatican II must be understood in the light of previously defined church teaching.
actaully, to be more precise… A Jew or pagan who stays outside the Church out of ignorance… not knowing any better, never having been taught Catholicism… still has a chance to be saved… I tend to think it is unlikely, though… or at least more difficult…

If it was easy for us to get to Heaven withoiut the Church Jesus wouldn’t have had to come and suffer and die on a cross for us… We could just save ourselves… Heck, it is hard enough to be saved even WITH the Church~!!! :eek: one step forward, 2 steps back… 😦

even so the Bible says that he who is ignorant will be given fewer stripes than he who knows better… Wish i coiuld say where that is in the Bible… no concordance handy.

notice that the ignorant one WILL be given “stripes” (chastisements)… He doesn’t get off scott free because of ignorance… and it is important to note that if someone is willingly ingnorant… refuses to study the teachigns of the Church when he knows they may true… is NOT truly ignorant… and will not be leniently dealt with, in my opinion…
 
so… when a protestant in the grace of God dies…

and after he has been through a 100 years in Purgatory…

is he then Catholic??

i say YES… absolutely

i believe this 150%
 
so… when a protestant in the grace of God dies…

and after he has been through a 100 years in Purgatory…

is he then Catholic??

i say YES… absolutely

i believe this 150%
Jesus doesn’t follow the rules of the Church. Here’s an example:

**Luke 23:42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”
43 Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.” **
The thief on the cross was not Catholic and he was not purified. If anyone should have been going to purgatory, it was this guy but Jesus didn’t tell him that. Jesus never told anyone about purgatory. The Church’s logic says we are all going there because no one is pure in this life, therefore everyone is going. I’m not saying the Church is completely wrong on the subject but Jesus didn’t want people worrying about it. As far as how much time is spent there…who knows? Do they have 24 hr. days like we do here on earth?

The bible speaks about levels of heaven…the third heaven.

The holding place in the book of ephesians was before the resurrection of Jesus. It says they were asleep in Matthew.
Matthew 27:52 …the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Thess 4 says : "After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."

They don’t talk about purgatory.
 
The answer to the question is no you do not have to be aCatholic to go to heaven. Period. 👍
 
Jesus doesn’t follow the rules of the Church. Here’s an example:

**Luke 23:42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”
43 Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.” **
The thief on the cross was not Catholic and he was not purified. If anyone should have been going to purgatory, it was this guy but Jesus didn’t tell him that. Jesus never told anyone about purgatory. The Church’s logic says we are all going there because no one is pure in this life, therefore everyone is going. I’m not saying the Church is completely wrong on the subject but Jesus didn’t want people worrying about it. As far as how much time is spent there…who knows? Do they have 24 hr. days like we do here on earth?

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for one thing, God can purify someone in an instant if he wants, working through Christ. or i should say that Christ can purify someone… instantly. all power has been given to him.
Just seeing Christ, being so near to him as the thief was… is enough to purify someone instantly, i would think… We others have to go to Church to be in His Presence and even then, there is all that worldly stuff in our heads to interfere…

another thing is that the thief did not commit any sins after he repented and accepted Christ…

Purgatory is for those who have sinned after accepting Christ… although, not being God, i wouldn’t know if this is a totally accurate or complete statement… i do think the Church teaches this…

in any case, the Church does NOT teach anything God does not uphold. God would not have bothered establishing a Church on Earth at all if there was no way to keep it from teaching error… but uh… try telling God he can’t do something…😃

Do you not accept the Church’s aurhotity to speak for God? You call yourslef Catholic… :confused:
 
Jesus doesn’t follow the rules of the Church. Here’s an example:

**Luke 23:42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”
43 Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.” **
The thief on the cross was not Catholic and he was not purified. If anyone should have been going to purgatory, it was this guy but Jesus didn’t tell him that. Jesus never told anyone about purgatory. The Church’s logic says we are all going there because no one is pure in this life, therefore everyone is going. I’m not saying the Church is completely wrong on the subject but Jesus didn’t want people worrying about it. As far as how much time is spent there…who knows? Do they have 24 hr. days like we do here on earth?

The bible speaks about levels of heaven…the third heaven.

The holding place in the book of ephesians was before the resurrection of Jesus. It says they were asleep in Matthew.
Matthew 27:52 …the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Thess 4 says : "After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."

They don’t talk about purgatory.
none of the passages refutes Purgatory…

just because you are going to be with the Lord doesn’t mean you are going to be instantly in Heaven…

even the souls in Purg are with the Lord… far more closely than we on Earth are…
 
for one thing, God can purify someone in an instant if he wants, working through Christ. or i should say that Christ can purify someone… instantly. all power has been given to him.
Well then maybe all the Protestants won’t have to be in purgatory for 100 years.

"so… when a protestant in the grace of God dies…
and after he has been through a 100 years in Purgatory…
is he then Catholic??
i say YES… absolutely
i believe this 150% "


Maybe some of them will be instantly purified.
Do you not accept the Church’s aurhotity to speak for God? You call yourslef Catholic… :confused:
I learned not to accept everything without careful examination when the most serious sin of all------eating meat on Friday------was done away with and now you can do it on St. Patrick’s day during Lent depending on what diocese you live in. 😃
 
Well then maybe all the Protestants won’t have to be in purgatory for 100 years.

"so… when a protestant in the grace of God dies…
and after he has been through a 100 years in Purgatory…
is he then Catholic??
i say YES… absolutely
i believe this 150% "


Maybe some of them will be instantly purified.

I learned not to accept everything without careful examination when the most serious sin of all------eating meat on Friday------was done away with and now you can do it on St. Patrick’s day during Lent depending on what diocese you live in. 😃
traditions aren’t dogmas… If you had studied the RCC religon you would know that… Traditions can be changed.

you also shouldn’t take eveyrthing people say literally… the 100 yr thing. The saints have said the avg stay in Purg is 40 yrs…

and protestants are supposed to be there longer than Cahtolics which totally makes sense… since protestants never do anything about their sins except say they are sorry… and not to an ordained priest…

so my 100 yrs,. though not literal… is probably not very far off the mark…
 
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