do you have to be Catholic to get into Heaven??

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traditions aren’t dogmas… If you had studied the RCC religon you would know that… Traditions can be changed.
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No one was told that for hundreds of years. We were told we would go to hell instantly if we died before confessing eating a hamburger on Friday. Is this from God?

I work with men who are living in fornication but they won’t eat meat on Friday during lent.
 
distracted said:
traditions aren’t dogmas… If you had studied the RCC religon you would know that… Traditions can be changed.

you also shouldn’t take eveyrthing people say literally… the 100 yr thing. The saints have said the avg stay in Purg is 40 yrs…

and protestants are supposed to be there longer than Cahtolics which totally makes sense… since protestants never do anything about their sins except say they are sorry… and not to an ordained priest…

so my 100 yrs,. though not literal… is probably not very far off the mark…
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Sure am glad you know so much about everything( you think0:shrug:
 
ron77nyc said:
No one was told that for hundreds of years. We were told we would go to hell instantly if we died before confessing eating a hamburger on Friday. Is this from God?

I work with men who are living in fornication but they won’t eat meat on Friday during lent.
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i ws raised catholic and been catholic all my (fairly long) life… never heard anything like what you speak of…

some people just distort the Catholic beliefs… sometimes they may even be joking when they say such things… who knows??

the true teachings are never commonly taught or known… or espoused…
 
distracted said:
i ws raised catholic and been catholic all my (fairly long) life… never heard anything like what you speak of…

some people just distort the Catholic beliefs… sometimes they may even be joking when they say such things… who knows??

the true teachings are never commonly taught or known… or espoused…
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What I’m saying comes from devout nuns prior to Vatican II.

Getting back to “do you have to be Catholic to get into Heaven??” I would say go to John 3:8 “The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

If God wants to forgive someone and give them eternal life, there is no way anyone can tell Him how to do it. Ultimately everyone who goes to heaven does not deserve that gift but it is done according to God’s mercy. You seem to delight in sentencing people to purgatory. If you were merciful you would hope no one goes there.
 
ron77nyc said:
That’s a good one. 👍

The seafood combo will give you peace of mind every time. :extrahappy:
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Curious, Ron…do you think that the Church should change its position on certain issues, if the majority of folks don’t abide by them?

For example, if only 20% of Catholics abstained from meat on Fridays during Lent…or 75% of Catholics don’t attend Mass every Sunday and 65% of Catholics are divorced and remarried and 80% of Catholics don’t believe in the real presence of Christ and 30% of Catholics don’t even believe in Christ’s divinity anymore…should the CC change?

(BTW, I made up the statistics because I’m too lazy to really do research on it, and the statistics are irrelevant to my question anyway–I’d just like to pick your brain about whether you think the Church should change if people don’t follow its teachings…)
 
ron77nyc said:
Being in the church is not the same as believing in Jesus. Which of the two has eternal life: A Catholic without faith in Jesus or a non-Catholic who has faith in Jesus?
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Neither. The first is not really a Catholic, and the second doesn’t really have faith.
 
ron77nyc said:
Jesus doesn’t follow the rules of the Church. Here’s an example:

**Luke 23:42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”
43 Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.” **
The thief on the cross was not Catholic and he was not purified. If anyone should have been going to purgatory, it was this guy but Jesus didn’t tell him that. Jesus never told anyone about purgatory. The Church’s logic says we are all going there because no one is pure in this life, therefore everyone is going. I’m not saying the Church is completely wrong on the subject but Jesus didn’t want people worrying about it. As far as how much time is spent there…who knows? Do they have 24 hr. days like we do here on earth?

The bible speaks about levels of heaven…the third heaven.

The holding place in the book of ephesians was before the resurrection of Jesus. It says they were asleep in Matthew.
Matthew 27:52 …the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Thess 4 says : "After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."

They don’t talk about purgatory.
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  1. The good thief died prior to the foundation of the Church. So he went down to wherever John the Baptist and company were.
  2. The Church never said we are all going to purgatory. If the Church HAD said this, then we would in fact ALL go to purgatory. But it didn’t.
  3. Every word in the Bible has been discussed, translated, re-discussed, fought over, debated, etc and for 2,000 years the Church has been explaining it to people. Don’t think any new arguments can be made. Not understanding it is one thing, but to doubt the authority of the Church because we don’t understand what it says is scandalous and surely very offensive to God.
 
PRmerger said:
Curious, Ron…do you think that the Church should change its position on certain issues, if the majority of folks don’t abide by them?

For example, if only 20% of Catholics abstained from meat on Fridays during Lent…or 75% of Catholics don’t attend Mass every Sunday and 65% of Catholics are divorced and remarried and 80% of Catholics don’t believe in the real presence of Christ and 30% of Catholics don’t even believe in Christ’s divinity anymore…should the CC change?

(BTW, I made up the statistics because I’m too lazy to really do research on it, and the statistics are irrelevant to my question anyway–I’d just like to pick your brain about whether you think the Church should change if people don’t follow its teachings…)
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The Church has already changed its position on many issues such as abstaining from meat on Friday, salvation outside the Church and Mass on Saturday.

I think they should do away with man made laws and focus on the gospel. These folks that I’m talking about were educated in Catholic schools and have no faith in Jesus. They are just doing what they were taught. We are justified by faith. That was completely omitted in Catholic school. It’s the most important thing to learn. The Church has been mass producing Catholics who are not Christians. I posted this in #458.

catholiceducation.org/art…cs/ap0027.html
“But many Catholics to this day have not learned the Catholic and biblical doctrine. They think we are saved by good intentions or being nice or sincere or trying a little harder or doing a sufficient number of good deeds. Over the past twenty-five years I have asked hundreds of Catholic college students the question: If you should die tonight and God asks you why he should let you into heaven, what would you answer? The vast majority of them simply do not know the right answer to this, the most important of all questions, the very essence of Christianity. They usually do not even mention Jesus!”
 
AChris said:
  1. The good thief died prior to the foundation of the Church. So he went down to wherever John the Baptist and company were.
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Jesus said: “Today you will be with me in Paradise.”
  1. The Church never said we are all going to purgatory. If the Church HAD said this, then we would in fact ALL go to purgatory. But it didn’t.
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They never said it in those words but they don’t say that perfection can be reached in this life so what other choice is there but to go to purgatory to be made perfect?
  1. Every word in the Bible has been discussed, translated, re-discussed, fought over, debated, etc and for 2,000 years the Church has been explaining it to people. Don’t think any new arguments can be made. Not understanding it is one thing, but to doubt the authority of the Church because we don’t understand what it says is scandalous and surely very offensive to God.
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If that’s supposed to make me feel ashamed, it doesn’t. The Catholic Church is the Church started by Jesus but they have used it in ways He never intended it to be used. That’s why I question man made laws.
 
AChris said:
  1. The good thief died prior to the foundation of the Church. So he went down to wherever John the Baptist and company were.
  2. The Church never said we are all going to purgatory. If the Church HAD said this, then we would in fact ALL go to purgatory. But it didn’t.
  3. Every word in the Bible has been discussed, translated, re-discussed, fought over, debated, etc and for 2,000 years the Church has been explaining it to people. Don’t think any new arguments can be made. Not understanding it is one thing, but to doubt the authority of the Church because we don’t understand what it says is scandalous and surely very offensive to God.
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And to act like some people on this thread and very offensive to God also:eek:
 
ron77nyc said:
They never said it in those words but they don’t say that perfection can be reached in this life so what other choice is there but to go to purgatory to be made perfect?
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I’m pretty sure that martyrs go straight to heaven–once you shed blood in His name it’s pretty much a straight ticket to Heaven!
 
ron77nyc said:
The Church has already changed its position on many issues such as abstaining from meat on Friday, salvation outside the Church and Mass on Saturday.
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I’m going to have to disagree with you on the no salvation outside the church thing. * Extra ecclesiam, nulla salus* does not mean that only faithful Roman Catholics can be saved. **The Church has never taught that. **
 
ron77nyc said:
The Church has been mass producing Catholics who are not Christians.
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Indeed. Nothing makes me sadder than to hear of a Catholic, usually who’s between 40 and 65, who’s left the church because he was asked by a Protestant “Why do you Catholics ______” and this Catholic has no answer. That’s just a recipe for becoming your own pope.

I’m sad about it. And mad! :mad:
 
going to Church does not a Christian make, like going to a to a horse corral make you a horse:rolleyes:
 
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