mpjw, do you think someone could be a Christian if he does not believe 100% of what Jesus taught?
I am so happy with your assement of me much appreciatedmpjw, do you think someone could be a Christian if he does not believe 100% of what Jesus taught?
Just wondering.
BTW, I don’t think tweety is anti-Catholic just because she doesn’t believe 100% of what the CC teaches…but I will say that I’ve never read a post of hers that was charitable towards a Catholic who *affirmed *the teachings of the Church.
I do beleive 100% of what Jesus taught.So according to you I must be a Christian. Thank you so much for that.I understand this, but the way you state it is misleading. We have an obligation to uphold the teaching of the Church. That Teaching is that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. When we are educating people that people go to heaven that are not visible members of the Church, it is important to make it clear to them how this works. Otherwise, misunderstandings occur.
Yes, of course, but this scripture must be understood in the light of ALL the teaching on salvation. One part of that is that there is ONE CHURCH, and that there is no salvation outside of it.
I never claimed any perfection, and I have no basis to think anything at all about you. I am responding to your posts. You have presented yourself on CAF as a Catholic, and yet, you support anti-catholic ideas. Saying this is not an effort to insult you at all, and I am in no position to judge the state of your soul.Now you can dice it anyway you want oh perfect one and it doesn’t really matter to me what you think of me. You can call and insult all you want. If it makes you a hero go for it.God Bless you in you judgemental walk.
I believe this is a very true statement. It seems to me that the needs of the giant tree are different than the small seed that we see in the NT. The purpose of the Magesterium is to apply the Teachings of the Apostles to the present day. There are issues at hand now that did not exist in the Apostolic age.
I agree their lives were transformed,but of course they had catechism! Catechism means to “faithfully echo”. They were catechized by Christ Himself, and they faithfully echoed what He taught them.
Both things are true. I am not sure what you mean by “religious system”, but salvation is of the Jews. God prepared the religious system for thousands of years until the fullness of time came.
This is an overgeneralized statement. Of course there have been corrupt bishops who have desired wealth and worldy power.
No, tweety, it is not because you think Protestants will go to Heaven. We all agree on that point.You know what amazes me how everything one says is turned into a buch of hog wash!!! Just because I think Protestants will go to Heaven(and they will), and I don’t agree with somes posts I am anti Catholic
I agree with this. Your liberality and tolerance even extends beyond the boundaries of sound doctrine.
I praise God that you are here on CAF, because I hope that you will come to the knowledge of the Truth. I have learned a great deal about the Catholic faith since I came here, and I can pray that others will have the same great experience. I cannot praise you for posting errors, or purporting yourself to be Catholic while espousing Protestantism.Anti Catholic? What I see here is a lot of Anti Christian.If you don’t like my posts so be it. It is too bad that we don’t Praise God for what He has done for all of us instead of always critizing those we don’t agree with.
Yes, it does tweety. Persons who claim to be Catholic and are not Christian,are deluding themselves. They are Pagan or something else, and do not know any better.You know that being a Catholic doesn’t make you a Christian!
I am not anti Catholic just anti saying that only Catholics will go to heaven. I am a Catholic of course and do my best to live up to what Christ wants with my life.
We are 100% sure that God wills to save you.
I am not sure what that means. Is there some state of grace that is not “absolute”?
There is ONLY ONE CHURCH. All who are saved are members of the ONE BODY.
If a person willfully and knowingly rejects the Catholic faith, it means they have rejected Christ. There is no other name under heaven by which we may be saved.
I doubt that! You have no way of knowing how you will die.
The vast majority of people who have been exposed to Catholicism misunderstand it. Even persons raised in the faith as you were don’t understand many essentials of the faith. If they did understood, they would never leave. Ignorance does not prevent heaven. Rebellion does.
The Apostles taugth that it is not up to us to judge the hearts and souls of people, including ourselves. Only God knows the hearts of such persons. The Apostles taught that salvation is available to all, and that those who don’t know Jesus personally are judged in the light of the Truth that has been revealed to them.
What the run of the mill Catholic believes is not really relevant. As Ron and Tweety have rightly noted, many (if not most) Catholics are very poorly educated about what the Church believes and teaches.
I don’t think that any better purity is possible. For those who have been washed clean in baptism, no higher purity exists. This question pertains to the state of the “old man”. Jesus desires to completely restore us to what He created us to be - without the sin nature, or any concupiscence (tendency toward sin). Whatever is in us, or of us, that is not of God, it will be burned away.
It is possible, of course. Making a perfect confession is very difficult because of the nature of our humanity. The human heart is deceitful above all things. Our secret thoughts (the hidden and unconscious) parts of our hearts can still harbor attachment to sin without us being aware of it.
Indeed, sos, different day. Your statement of belief is contrary to Catholic Teaching, and to what the Apostles believed. It is statements such as this that reveal your Protestant theology. This is why it seems disingenuous for you to claim you are Catholic.
Yep same old stuff different day. And whatever you think of me is just somemore of the same old stuff. So go for it and be happy. God Bless you on your:thumbsup: journey with our Saviour.
It is good that you get angry. It shows that these things are important to you. The Truth does matter.
What I get angry about is the things that are said about Protestants!!! I haven’t embraced anything except Jesus Christ!
Actually, it is not an assessment of you, per se, since none of us know you. All we can do is assess the content of your posts, some of which do not represent the Catholic faith.I am so happy with your assement of me much appreciated
It appears that you are with Ron and mpjw2 in that you believe some of what is Catholic is from man,and not God. So, to the extent that you, as they, oppose Catholicism because you don’t believe certain aspects of it are not “with God”, you are anti-Catholic.
Disagreeing with people is not “bashing”. Noting that they have espoused heresies is not "bashing’. Pointing out that your posts do not represent Catholic faith is not “bashing”. It does not matter if you don’t agree with the other members of CAF. what is problematic is purporting yourself to be Catholic when you don’t embrace the Catholic faith.
Perhaps.
Of course I care! People like you are the reason CAF is here. This is why many of us try so hard to present the Teaching of Jesus and correct misunderstandings. This is why we support CAF with prayer and donations. You, Tweety, and Ron are the people we are trying to reach!
You are grateful to see that someone has departed from Apostolic Teaching?
This statement is consistent with Apostolic Teaching.
No, she is anti-Catholic by virtue of claiming she is Catholic, and promoting Protestant Theology. A Protestant who claims to be such is not necessarily anti-catholic. There are many such persons here on CAF.
This is a very good question. I think what is most important in God’s eyes is that a person respond to the grace they are given. Not everyone has been given the opportunity to experience the fullness of the faith.
I have not encountered many Protestants that are not Christian. I would venture to say that one HAS to be Christian in order to be a Protestant. There are some sects that have evolved from Protestantism such as Seventh Day Adventists, Mormons, and Jehovah’s Witnesses that are very fervent about their faith, but their beliefs do not qualify them as Christians. Many of them live a better “Christian” life than most Catholics.
Christ never intended that we “live by” a book. This is why He created a Church.
I too like Tweety’s analogy of the car in the garage. I like this one too!
There are some, because parents are not perfect like God. The fallacy here is equating love with salvation. God will love us perfectly even as He allows us to walk through the gates of hell.
Yes.
I agree that this is how God is with us. However, I think the reason that Catholics do not often say “this is what God taught me or what God believes” is that it can be very presumptuous to do so. CAF is not primarily a venue for discussing private revelation. CAF is here to give Catholic Answers to questions about the church. To presume to say that any one person knows “what God believes” requires a great deal of hubris. We can say what God has revealed to the Church. Sometimes what an individual believes God taught them is not consistent with what the Apostles believed and taught. Tweety is an excellent example of this.
It would be better, if there were actually such a distinction. However, there is not. Jesus is perfectly identified with His Church. He is her Head, and she is ensouled by the HS. this is why she cannot err. The Divine elements of the Church are incapable of error.
This is a different aspect of “church” than the Divine Revelation that has been given to her.
Your mistake is equating “church” with “man”. This represents a deficient view of the church.
There are far too many Catholics that believe this.
The Apostles taught that the only thing that matters is faith, working through love. However, it is not loving to confirm others in error.
The Church does not teach this. Representing it this way is misleading.
I am sure you believe you are Catholic. Your posts do not reflect Catholic faith.
I was making no effort to teach at all.
What you are stating is that you reject one of the fundamental doctrines of the Catholic faith. Doing this, and claiming to be Catholic, is disingenuous. Personally, I think you are doing it because you don’t understand the doctrine.
Yes. "Rules’ can be changed. There are customs and disciplines (traditions with a small “t”) that are adapted to the region,and the era.
No, Tradition with a big “T” cannot be changed. These are Sacred Tradition, which embodies the Teaching of theApostles. These teachings are immutable, and may not be altered. Changing them constitutes heresy. For example, saying that a person can be saved outside of the Catholic Church is a departure from Sacred Tradition (Apostolic Teaching). that is why it is considered a heresy.
This is a custom.
Because revelation from God is applied differently at different times and places.
This issue has certainly been a grave problem. The Church teaches that we are to kneel at the consecration, regardless of any kneelers present. Many bishops and priests ignore this. It causes a lot of confusion for the laity. An issue for another thread.
This is a problem, Tweety. You see, such a position basically says that it does not matter to you if I embrace errors. Did you know that embracing error is the same as passing through the gates of hell? If you really think it is “great with” you for me to follow the road to perdition, how loving is that?
Was there something I said about Protestants that made you angry? If so, I would like to know what it was. I am open to feedback, because it helps me grow.What I get angry about is the things that are said about Protestants!!! I haven’t embraced anything except Jesus Christ!
No, Ron, you are mistaken.
To which we respond AMEN! See all the above posts from Catholics to see how we are to understand that Protestants can be saved, but only through the Catholic Church.
Here’s is ALSO more about what the Bible clearly states about how we are saved:
This is what 100% of Catholics should believe about your salvation: God did save you, God is currently saving you, and God wills that you be saved.
PR I am glad you asked this question.