do you have to be Catholic to get into Heaven??

[ron77nyc]

Jesus has other sheep, and other folds. Only He knows all of those who aer on the “one way to heaven”. Some of them are outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic church.

Then we really do agree the non-Catholics can be saved. The problem is that the Church was not always consistent in teaching that.

Ron and Tweety claim to be Catholic, and because they do so, they have an obligation, especially on a board that exists for the purpose of providing Catholic answers, to represent the Catholic faith accurately. both of them have failed to do so, and both of them have posted numerous messages espousing anti-Catholic ideas.

This is what is says on the main page.
Non-Catholic Religions (53 Viewing)
Comparing and contrasting beliefs

I am contrasting my beliefs with those of other Catholics or whoever else is here to dialog. I hope you don’t scare the Jewish guy away.

I am a lot more concerned about what they are doing here, than I am about the souls of faithful Christians who practice their faith with integrity on non-Catholic fora.

If they wish to go there, and not pretend to be Catholic, then that might be appropriate for them, siince they espouse non -Catholic theologies. This is not my calling.

I’m not pretending anything. I’m being perfectly honest.

 

[guanophore]

Sorry that you think I have posted anti Catholic statements.

Are you really sorry about that? I don’t think so. You have made it clear that what I think is of no importance to you. Why say you are “sorry” when you are not? Is this more of your disingenuous representation of yourself? Or are you sorry that I do not get duped into believing that what you say is Catholic, because you say you are Catholic? Are you sorry I am educated about my faith, and therefore I know that your postings are not consistent with Catholic faith?

   I do not feel as such But if you do so be it.

It is always beneficial to our peace of mind to accept the things we cannot change. It seems you are willing to accept that you will not dupe me into thinking you espouse Catholic faith when you make anti-Catholic postings.

  I came here because I love the Lord and all people what ever they profess. If i am a failure in your eyes so be that too.

As I have said, I don’t even know you, and even if I did, I would not be in a position to judge whether or not you are a “failure”. Only God can judge this. What I have noted is that you have failed to represent Catholic faith in your posts. This does not make you a “failure”. For all I know, you are really a Protestant role playing a Catholic. If that is the case, then you have been quite successful!

I feel that I am only a failure in Christs eyes when I fail to give the truth as He has given me. So God Bless you in your journey with Christ. And I can agree to disagree with you in love.

It seems very clear to me that you have presented the Truth that He has given to you. As with all of our separated brethren, it is only part of the Truth. You stand in the tradition of Apollos.

 

[guanophore]

Then we really do agree the non-Catholics can be saved. The problem is that the Church was not always consistent in teaching that.

Yes, the Church has always been consistent on this. People’s perceptions have not. A lot of us have received poor or incorrect catechesis. No one is saved outside the Catholic Church. How this fact is communicated has been garbled many times.

I think you are confusing the persons who were teaching you with the Teaching Authority appointed by Christ. Only the Magesterium, not the parish catechists, are infallible.

This is what is says on the main page.
Non-Catholic Religions (53 Viewing)
Comparing and contrasting beliefs

I am contrasting my beliefs with those of other Catholics or whoever else is here to dialog. I hope you don’t scare the Jewish guy away.

I hope not too!

I think it is disingenuous to claim to be Catholic while rejecting what the Catholic Church believes and teaches.

I’m not pretending anything. I’m being perfectly honest.

I know you believe you are. I know you are a baptized “Catholic” but I think you have remained "catholic’ because you want to be saved, and you think this is necessary, not because you espouse the Catholic faith. At least your posts have consistently made it clear that you are not on unity with the Teachings and the Authority given to the Church by Christ.

 

[Carlan]

(Quote) Paul lets us know in Romans that God has revealed Himself to all and that no man is without excuse (end Quote)

 Hello MPJW2, I have pasted this quote from an earlier post of yours. Could you give me the chapter and verse please?   I remember wondering, when I read that in Romans at the time, if Paul was referring to the people of the Old Covenant instead of the Christians of the New. I would like to check it out again.  Sorry to have interrupted the discussion. :blush: Carlan

 

[ron77nyc]

I know you believe you are. I know you are a baptized “Catholic” but I think you have remained "catholic’ because you want to be saved, and you think this is necessary, not because you espouse the Catholic faith. At least your posts have consistently made it clear that you are not on unity with the Teachings and the Authority given to the Church by Christ.

Here’s the problem: I believe Peter had authority from heaven but I’m not so sure about his successors. Eugene and Boniface didn’t tell anyone about invincible ignorance. I think when the Church was young and strong they bullied whoever they could. Today they have to do damage control.

There is a large community of Catholics who want to remain in traditional Catholicism and that means excluding all non-Catholics from heaven. That’s what they were taught and they don’t want it to change.

 

[PRmerger]

There is a large community of Catholics who want to remain in traditional Catholicism and that means excluding all non-Catholics from heaven. That’s what they were taught and they don’t want it to change.

It’s entirely possible that they were indeed taught that–incorrectly–or, it’s also possible that they misunderstood the teaching. That seems quite evident here that many folks STILL don’t understand what Christ said about nonCatholics entering into heaven.

Remember, folks, the Catholic Church celebrates the Feast of the Holy Innocents–who were NON-BAPTIZED JEWISH infants. That, I think, speaks VOLUMES!!
,

 

[mpjw2]

guanophore…

mpjw2

And if I do not return to the catholic chuch, are you concerned that you may not see me in heaven?

Not really. I believe what the Church teaches, that God uses your ecclesial community to draw the faithful unto himself.
I entrust your soul to a faithful creator. I will pray for you, as I do all the members of CAF

.
well thank you for the confidence you expressed and your prayers

mpjw2

you avoided the question. If I die right now while typing this message to you, I will have died a non catholic.

The fact that you are not currently participating in the visible Catholic Church does not equate to not having saving faith.

me

What do you believe my eternal destination will be?

The Apostles taugtht that it is not our place to judge that.

ok

mpjw2

So then do you believe the people I described in this scenario are ignorant or have rebelled?

The apostles taught that it is not our place to judge. Only God knows the heart of man.

then let me ask you this…in your reply to Ron you posted

I am not sure what problem you see with this. Are you saying that Protestants (rebellious subjects fo the Roman Pontiff) cannot be saved?

Persons cannot be charged with rebellion against authority appointed by God if they don’t know that it exists. No one is condemned to hell for ignorance of the Truth. People condemn themselves to hell for rebellion against the Truth.

when considering protestants who have knowledge of the truth of the catholoc church and refuse to follow the catholic church…i

What do you believe is the difference in one who has rebellion against the truth and one who is ignorant

this is what I do not understand what you mean here

Are you giving me a directive?

what do you mean by a directive?

mpjw2
Paul lets us know in Romans that God has revealed Himself to all and that no man is without excuse

Yes.

We agree that no man can claim they have not seen the truth of God

Originally Posted by mpjw2
If there is no purgatory, which is my belief, then if one is not not purified by the power of a sincere contrite confession to God on this side of eternity, I believe that person is unclean and can not be in heaven.

Both things are true. It is the sincere and contrite confession that enables one to receive the cleansing grace that makes us fit for heaven.

we agree again

mpjw2

apparently so. I make a sincere contrite confession, no sin witheld I believe I am in absolute grace and on my way to heaven should I die right after such a confession.

The Apostles taught that it is not your place to make such a judgement.

just curious where in scripture?

in the sacrament, all sins are forgiven, even those that we did not know we committed. You might want to consider reviewing the Rite of Confession. In it, the priest says “I absolve you from all your past sins”. This includes those we did not realize we committed, or believed at the time were not sins.

is it your belief then I can not ask God to forgive me while confessing to Him of all such sins without a catholic priest present?

Well I guess I can ask for forgiveness but do you believe God might not forgive me without a priest to verbally say to me “I absolve you”

In due respect, the priest is not the one who actually forgives ones sins, Our sins are forgiven by the blood of Jesus

correct?

thank you again and God bless

 

[PRmerger]

PR, I believe you are christian and you are going straight to heaven when you die.

You are not the judge, mpjw. It is the Lord who judges me. I do not judge myself. I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted.

Interesting that even St. Paul, perhaps the greatest of the Lord’s evangelists, did not presume that he would go straight to heaven when he died.

 

[guanophore]

Thank you for responding but you missed some key elements to your questions.

You are right. I read them, but I did not connect all the dots. Thanks for clarifying.

Dear brothers and sisters who believe in the same God and Jesus and Holy Spirit as we catholics do, but do not believe Jesus founded His one and only catholic church on Peter the rock, (who is our first pope), in apostolic succession, the Real Presence of Jesus, confession through a priest, infant baptism, perpetual virginity of Mary, praying the rosary, purgatory, praying for the dead, I want to inform you of a message which may save your soul from an eternal life in hell.

Like Ron and Tweety, I thought you were role playing being a Catholic when you wrote this. So, you are sayihng that you would have to come to believe that:

1. Peter is the Rock upon which Jesus founded the Church
2. Apostolic Succession exists and is valid
3. Jesus meant what He said “this is my Body, this is my Blood”.
4. Jesus has given us a great grace of reconciliation through the ministerial priesthood
5. The Rosary is a devotion of the Latin Rite, and is not considered part of Apostolic teaching. Not sure what you would have to “come to believe about praying the Rosary”.
   It seems like it would be expedient not to find fault with others who use this devotion, but it is not required.
6. That all of our sin nature needs to be purified before we enter heaven (purgatory)
7. That the comnunion of saints mentioned in the creed was actually taught by the Apostles (basis for praying for those who have passed into the next life)
8. That Mary really is the Ark of the New covenant (perpetual virgninity)

Did I get all that right?

I wanted to let you know that I believe all your souls may be in grave danger if you do not make the same decision I made.

This statement is not consisten with the teachings of the Church. YOu have misunderstood.

Coming back to the catholic church would require me to believe in what I do not currently believe as stated above in my would be letter to “protestants” should I return to the church.

Ok. Yes, I think I understand. You have very little understanding of the Teachings of the Catholic Church, however.

I said that because ***it is consistant ***with the vatican

In all sincerity, it seems clear that you do not understand the documents.

There is no salvation outside the Catholic church.

that being the case how will it help protestants by posting the message here. Some may see it here but countless more will see it on their own message boards.

I feel called to address the Protestants like Ron and Tweety that are inside the visible bounds of the Church, but are Protestant in theology.

Besides, I have already stated I came here to learn about my faith, and that will not happen at CARM. Believe me, been there, done that!

I also enjoy dialogue with persons such as yourself, who have left the Church founded by Christ because of many various reasons, often not understanding the faith into which they are baptized. I also love to dialogue with Evangelicals who come here to convert Catholics.

Hi Ron thank you for the additional quotes from the vatican which support the catholic belief that there is no salvation outside of the catholic church.

I just noticed you answered all the vatican quotes posted by ron…

here is 1 more

thank you prochrist1 for posting this link from the vatican July 2007

cbc.ca/world/story/2007/0…an-church.html

in this release we read …

The Vatican issued a document Tuesday restating its belief that the Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

It says although Orthodox churches are true churches, they are defective because they do not recognize the primacy of the Pope.

The document adds that Protestant denominations — called Christian Communities born out of the Reformation — are not true churches, but ecclesial communities.

“These ecclesial communities which, specifically because of the absence of the sacramental priesthood … cannot, according to Catholic doctrine, be called ‘churches’ in the proper sense,” it said.

My question is…

If a protestant dies well aware of the catholic church and all of the churches teachings and made a decision not to join the church…

Is that protestant ignorant or has rebelled?

This is only for God to judge. It has been my experience the last couple years I have been here on CAF that every single one who thinks they know, don’t know. Their perceptions of what is taught and believed are often a far cry from the Truth. Many people rebel against what they THINK the Catholic Church believes and teaches, but not the actual faith of the Church. I bet this would also be true for you, if we were to work our way through your list above.

Ron and Tweety are adamant that they are Catholic. They claim they are “well aware”, yet they are not. Just because a person thinks they know the teachings does not make it so. You seem to believe you know them to, but you clearly do not.

In any case, no Catholic is in a position to judge that for another. Only God knows if the persons’ heart is in rebellion.

is there salvation for that protestant?

God desires for all to be saved, and come to the knowlege of the Truth. He gives each one sufficient grace to respond to His call to repent and believe in the Gospel. Those who respond to His grace can be saved.

and what if a protestand had lived the catholic faith at on time and left refusing to go back…

Is that protestant ignorant or has rebelled?

and is there salvation for that protestant?

They all leave because of ignorance or rebellion. Most don’t understand their faith, and never took the time to study it. The rest commit the sin of Satan, saying “I will not serve” or prefer the desires of the flesh over obedience to God’s commands.

Some that leave come back, or some, like me, begin to study and learn their faith while still separated from the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ. Would God have saved me while I was still living as a Protestant? I am glad that I will not have to find out!

 

[PRmerger]

PR I am glad you asked this question.

would it surprise you if the answer to your question is yes?.

Yes, indeed, it does surprise me. Is there a Scripture verse you use, mpjw, to come to this understanding?

however, I also believe one can not be a christian if one does not believe truths about Jesus Himself.

How do you determine which truths are “essential” to believe and which ones are ok to disagree upon? I don’t believe Scripture gives us an indicator whatsoever which are okay to “agree to disagree”.

I believe that even knowing you do not believe God has taught you in His word He loves you so much that He gave you His Son Jesus to pay for your sin/s by His precious blood so that you do not have to go pay for your sin for eternity in hell.
That is God’s promise of John 3:16

So do you believe that the criminal who died on Jesus’ other side (not the Good Thief, St. Dismas) is also in heaven? It seems he did not believe what God has taught in His Word, yet Christ died for his sins, too, yes??

 

[AChris]

Just to make sure I understand you correctly, the question was:

Do you think Billy Graham has no faith? You said no.

I will put it this way: Do you think Billy Graham has faith ?
By that I mean saving faith which is faith in Jesus backed up by obedience and good works.

Sorry Ron, I didn’t catch the double negative!

Satan believes God exists and knows the Bible better than the greatest scripture scholar. But he has no faith, because this is a supernatural gift of God he has rejected. He left the true “faith”. He lost his “faith”…just as non-Catholics are not in the true “faith”, because they don’t have this gift of God…which is more than just believing in Jesus as their Lord and Savior. No, I don’t think he’d qualify for God’s gift of faith by rejecting “Truth” in the Catholic Church. I mean, God would give him faith, if he subjected himself to the fullness of truth, but he doesn’t. The same is true about hope and charity.

 

[guanophore]

Luther posted his theses in 1517 so I don’t think Popes Eugene and Boniface were talking about Protestants.

There were Protestants before the Reformation, but they were considered schismatics, heretics, or apostates. The Popes were addressing apostates in these documents. In order to be an apostate, one must first be holding on to the faith. Those Protestants who came to faith after the Reformation never had the Apostolic Teaching in the first place, so they could not abandon that which they never posessed.

In the beginning Pope Eugene says this:

(A.D. 1438 - 1445): “The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart `into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels’ (Matt. 25:41), unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock;…”

This is not only about Catholics persevering. It concerns everyone outside the Catholic Church.

Yes. I have no doubt that it seems this way to him. If he is now with the Lord, he knows better. The last line is the most relevant to this discussion. The Church teaches that all those who are properly baptized are members of the One Body of Christ. There fore, they have been mysteriously added to the flock in a manner that may not be visible to us.

Also, as mpjw2 has rightly noted, God has made himself known to all of humanity, so everyone is without excuse. Even those who know Him only in the revelation available through His creation can know Him, and serve Him as God. This is the case with most indiginous peoples.

Pope Boniface is also including the whole world in his Papal Bull. This includes everyone in the Great Schism of 1054. He’s condemning and holding lay people accountable for the decisions made by their bishops to leave Rome. If the Eastern Catholics joined the Pope in Rome they would have been disobedient to their own bishops.

Yes, it was a regrettable time of squabbling amongst the bishops. God does not hold the flock accountable for the sins of the shepherds, fortunately.

If the real Church (Roman Catholic) is not teaching salvation by faith but instead keeping people out of the kingdom by leaving them in ignorance of the gospel and the so-called man made churches (Protestants) are teaching the way of salvation by faith in Jesus but not with papal approval, then which one is really doing the will of God?

The Catholic Church is not “Roman”, Ron.

It is true that there is some very poor catechesis in many Catholic parishes. Are you contributing to the solution, or are you just complaining about the problem?

I believe that the preaching of the Gospel is the will of God. It is the will of God that the whole world know that we are saved by grace, through faith, not of works, lest any man should boast.

I believe that Catholic catechists and priests who have responsiblity to teach this, yet do not, will be held accountable.

I believe that you will be held accountable also. To those whom much is given, much is required. If you know these things,a nd fail to do anything with your knowledge, you have buried your treasure in the ground.

 

[mpjw2]

mpjw2;5761616:

(Quote) Paul lets us know in Romans that God has revealed Himself to all and that no man is without excuse (end Quote)

 Hello MPJW2, I have pasted this quote from an earlier post of yours. Could you give me the chapter and verse please?   I remember wondering, when I read that in Romans at the time, if Paul was referring to the people of the Old Covenant instead of the Christians of the New. I would like to check it out again.  Sorry to have interrupted the discussion. :blush: Carlan

hi Carlan,

no apology necessary. I am happy to help

Roman 1:18-20

but the beginning of Romans gives a pretty clear picture of the temptations God allows in someones life who surpress truth

God bless

mpjw

 

[guanophore]

Ron once again you are right on. My now husband was raised Catholic, went to Catholic school, was an Altar Boy, was on his way to the seminary, and had never read the Bible? So I am at odds at what he was taught? Now we both read the Bible and he has discovered a lot of truths he didn’t know existed. He only knew what the Nuns said( not that they were 100% wrong)

I too when I went to Catachism ovcer 60 odd years was taught by Nuns that taught me what to say and how to act in Church. But never the meaning of anything they taught. My parents divorced when I was 3 and I didn’t go to Catachism until I was 11. I was berated by the Nuns because I was so old and that my parents were bad parents and made to feel very sad and defeated.

I am truly sorry for the mistreatment and poor catechesis you have recieved. And, unfortunately, this is not an uncommon experience for a whole generation of Catholics. It is one reason that so many catholics go to Protestant communities looking for authentic Christianity.

Of course it is possible to be a good Catholic without reading Scripture. This is what happened in the first 20 years, before any of the NT was written. Also, during the middle ages, when the vast majority of the European populace could not read, people were able to practice their faith.

However, ignorance of Scripture is gnorance of Christ. that is what needs to be taught to modern Catholics.I am sure that you have emphasized this with your RCIA classes.

 When I grew old enough I went to Protestant  church with my first husband and learned 100% more about Christ than I ever did before and I wasn'ttaught that Catholism was a bad word by anyone. I was accepted for who I was.

Since returning to my childhood Church, I have been accepted for who I am, and my love for Christ. I have never been treated like anti Catholic like I have been here at CAF,

This is great, Tweety! Let me assure you that, as soon as you stop posting anti-Catholic material, I will not be bringing it up again either!

 

[guanophore]

Paul lets us know in Romans that God has revealed Himself to all and that no man is without excuse

 Hello MPJW2, I have pasted this quote from an earlier post of yours. Could you give me the chapter and verse please?   I remember wondering, when I read that in Romans at the time, if Paul was referring to the people of the Old Covenant instead of the Christians of the New. I would like to check it out again.  Sorry to have interrupted the discussion. :blush: Carlan

Rom 1:18-21
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Paul is writing to Gentile Christians, making the point that God has revealed Himself to all of mankind everywhere. This was not directed to Jews of the Old Covenant. Paul has some arguments for them too, but this is not one of them.

I think this point is very relevant to the conversation. It is one of the foundational teachings of the Church that even those who do not know Christ, or know Him, but do not know Who He Is can still be saved. Such persons are judged by God in the light of the Truth that has been revealed to them.

 

[ron77nyc]

The Church teaches that all those who are properly baptized are members of the One Body of Christ. There fore, they have been mysteriously added to the flock in a manner that may not be visible to us.

AChris is a Catholic with a different point of view also,

I will put it this way: Do you think Billy Graham has faith ?
By that I mean saving faith which is faith in Jesus backed up by obedience and good works.

Satan believes God exists and knows the Bible better than the greatest scripture scholar. But he has no faith, because this is a supernatural gift of God he has rejected. He left the true “faith”. He lost his “faith”…just as non-Catholics are not in the true “faith”, because they don’t have this gift of God…which is more than just believing in Jesus as their Lord and Savior. No, I don’t think he’d qualify for God’s gift of faith by rejecting “Truth” in the Catholic Church. I mean, God would give him faith, if he subjected himself to the fullness of truth, but he doesn’t. The same is true about hope and charity.

The Catholic Church is not “Roman”, Ron.

Pope Eugene said in order to be saved you must be in submission to the Roman Pontiff. That means you must be a Roman Catholic.

I agree with everything you have said but it clearly is not the consistent teaching of the Church. If it were we would not be having this conversation on CAF.

 

[tweetymom]

I am truly sorry for the mistreatment and poor catechesis you have recieved. And, unfortunately, this is not an uncommon experience for a whole generation of Catholics. It is one reason that so many catholics go to Protestant communities looking for authentic Christianity.

Of course it is possible to be a good Catholic without reading Scripture. This is what happened in the first 20 years, before any of the NT was written. Also, during the middle ages, when the vast majority of the European populace could not read, people were able to practice their faith.

However, ignorance of Scripture is gnorance of Christ. that is what needs to be taught to modern Catholics.I am sure that you have emphasized this with your RCIA classes.

This is great, Tweety! Let me assure you that, as soon as you stop posting anti-Catholic material, I will not be bringing it up again either!

I once again state that I am not role playing but if that’s what you chose to beleive so be it.And I will never quit posting what I beleive to be Gods word.

I have read Gods word in its entirity. Spent many years studing and taught for 8 years
.
Now that does not make me a Christian, Catholic or anything else. But what it does do is make me pretty knowledgable in Gods word

And you can bring yp anything you are able to, it no longer will effect me except to make me stronger in my faith in Christ.

Yes i have taught the importance of Bible study in my RCIA classes. I have a hard time how you can be a good anything without reading the Bible? People were just taught what someone else thought they should beleive, as in the case of my husband,

So once again God Bless you in your journey with Christ and may you have Peace:tiphat:

 

[Carlan]

Rom 1:18-21
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Paul is writing to Gentile Christians, making the point that God has revealed Himself to all of mankind everywhere. This was not directed to Jews of the Old Covenant. Paul has some arguments for them too, but this is not one of them.

I think this point is very relevant to the conversation. It is one of the foundational teachings of the Church that even those who do not know Christ, or know Him, but do not know Who He Is can still be saved. Such persons are judged by God in the light of the Truth that has been revealed to them.

Thank you Guanophore, and right you are as usual, Carlan

 

[mpjw]

Sorry Ron, I didn’t catch the double negative!

Satan believes God exists and knows the Bible better than the greatest scripture scholar. But he has no faith, because this is a supernatural gift of God he has rejected. He left the true “faith”. He lost his “faith”…just as non-Catholics are not in the true “faith”, because they don’t have this gift of God…which is more than just believing in Jesus as their Lord and Savior. No, I don’t think he’d qualify for God’s gift of faith by rejecting “Truth” in the Catholic Church. I mean, God would give him faith, if he subjected himself to the fullness of truth, but he doesn’t. The same is true about hope and charity.

hi again Achris

please do not stop here. I invite you to pretend I am Rev Billy Graham and I saw this reply about me on this thread…

How would you respond to this?
How can you say I have no faith or that I have rejected the Gift God has given me?

Just curious, consider all the personal sacrifices I made to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to millions around the world and as a result all those who found Jesus because they attended one of my crusades, do you believe that God will not save me because I am not catholic?

 

[guanophore]

AChris is a Catholic with a different point of view also,

Points of view are not really relevant. What is relevant is the Teaching of the Church.

Pope Eugene said in order to be saved you must be in submission to the Roman Pontiff. That means you must be a Roman Catholic.

No, Ron, this is absolutely NOT what it means. But, this is a very good example of what I mean when I say you are posting things that are not Catholic, and that you seem to not understand the Catholic faith. There are 22 non-Roman Catholic Rites that are subject to the Roman Pontiff. There is not, nor has there ever been, any requirement for anyone to be a member of the Latin Rite.

I agree with everything you have said but it clearly is not the consistent teaching of the Church. If it were we would not be having this conversation on CAF.

We are having this conversation because you, along with a great many other people, have grossly misunderstood the Teachings of the Catholic Church.