do you have to be Catholic to get into Heaven??

[smask63]

If we are unable to love the way Jesus loved us then why would He himself give us that commandment? He said, “Love one another as I have loved you.” Sure we all sin and Jesus never sinned and I’m sure he realizes that although we try to follow his command we all fail sometimes.
Jesus’ sacrifice was the only perfect sacrifice before the Father because Jesus himself was sinless and still offered Himself out of love for us.

 

[PRmerger]

What a fantastic song, “All We Need Is Love”! Just imagine, if everybody had love and loved as JC loved us, we wouldn’t be living in this sinful world! And if human kind wasn’t sinful, Jesus wouldn’t have had to die for us; everybody would be in a state of grace with God.

Love without Truth is mere affection.

 

[ron77nyc]

If we are unable to love the way Jesus loved us then why would He himself give us that commandment? He said, “Love one another as I have loved you.” Sure we all sin and Jesus never sinned and I’m sure he realizes that although we try to follow his command we all fail sometimes.
Jesus’ sacrifice was the only perfect sacrifice before the Father because Jesus himself was sinless and still offered Himself out of love for us.

A lot of people including myself, have a problem with “forgive your enemy” and “bless those who persecute you.” If you don’t I want to learn from you and I will shut up.

 

[guanophore]

That’s for people who are outside the reach of the Church. God also saves and forgives people who are not loving.

It is a good thing or we would all burn in the pit!

 

[guanophore]

No one is able to love the way Jesus loved. That’s why He became our substitute for the punishment we deserve. Our best human falls short of what is required to obtain eternal life. Moses offered his own life as a sacrifice for the sins of his people and it was not acceptable.

The doctrine of substitutionary atonement is a heresy.

We are able to love as He loved, by His grace. This is His intention for us. When we keep confession that it cannot be done, we deny His power in us.

He said that greater things than I do, you will do. The Spirit dwelling within us is able to effect all the fruit of the spirit in us.

 

[smask63]

Yes, thankfully He did not leave us all alone. I think everybody struggles with forgiving their enemies and blessing those who persecute us, but God never asks anything of us that isn’t possible with His grace.

 

[ron77nyc]

The doctrine of substitutionary atonement is a heresy.

Huh??? What you takin’ 'bout man???

We are able to love as He loved, by His grace. This is His intention for us. When we keep confession that it cannot be done, we deny His power in us.

He said that greater things than I do, you will do. The Spirit dwelling within us is able to effect all the fruit of the spirit in us.

If someone walked on water or raised the dead it would definitely be on youtube.

 

[PRmerger]

Huh??? What you takin’ 'bout man???

Hmmm…did you mean “talkin’”?



(I told you I’d be watchin’, ron! )

 

[distracted]

I find a statement saying that Protestants would like the RCC to fail so strange. Do you honestly think all we do is sit and discuss the demise of the RCC? I can tell you, honestly, since becoming a Protestant 7 years ago, I have NEVER heard the words “Roman Catholic Church” spoken in our church building, at meetings, Bible studies nor from the pulpit.I have however ,heard our Pastor quote Mother Theresa, Bishop Fulton J.Sheen and Pope John Paul ll on more than one occasion.I cannot speak for all Protestant denominations but ours respects and prays for Christians and non-Christians in our community, or city, or country and around the world.
May I ask the reference which brings you to say more people become RC’s every year than any other? It may be so, I have no idea. I have read on the CAF, statements saying that the number of Protestant denominations in the world is growing very rapidly. 30 or 40 thousand I think were the numbers quoted.Where would at least some of those people be coming from? It is impossible to think I am the only RC in the past 7 years to leave.
I can only speak for my corner of the world, and wether or not the RCC is thriving or failing is not for me to say but we are seeing the amalgamation of numerous parishes and the closing of many churches because of low attendance, inability to keep up with the expenses because of the low attendance and the lack of Priests. I know this, not because our Ministers have told me, but because I watch the news on TV. It is a matter of public record.
I know very little about the Masons but Protestants are your brothers and sisters in Christ. We all pray the same Prayer ,Christ Himself gave us.God Bless! NLM

***I watch the news on TV. ***

Well that explains it…

you watch the Catholic hating media… and you wonder why you are misinformed…??

what i said was true as of a few yrs ago. if things have changed… i don’t know about that. But i doubt they changed THAT drastically…

and when you consider all the confusion in protestantism its no wonder people search for and find the RCC the only Church that has cohesion of beliefs… its like a huge puzzle where NO pieces are missing… The protestant churches… Yikes…

 

[mpjw2]

Janet I am Catholic and I agree with you 100%

hey I am glad to see you back Tweety

CAF labeled you banned

 

[ron77nyc]

Hmmm…did you mean “talkin’”?



(I told you I’d be watchin’, ron! )

I should probably get some sleep. I had to look at it 3 times before I saw the error.

 

[tweetymom]

Ok, maybe I am making this too simple but here goes:

The catholic church has defined what it calls ‘apostate’. If the catholic church decides that you fulfill that definition of being “apostate” then therefore you are called an “apostate.”

I mean, if you do not accept the catholic church to be all knowing in all things, would you care that you are called apostate by them?

Apostate is only a word.

I simply cannot ever again agree 100% with the catholic church on certain things. I look to Jesus for my answers which He has always provided. He has never failed me and since I have come firm in my faith ( which is far far different than a religion)( read: denomination), I have no more fear of what any one thinks of me.

I do not fear excommunication, for Jesus will never leave me nor forsake me.

I do not fear “mortal” sin for there is only one unforgivable sin and that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirt

I do not fear a purgatory with fire and pain for it is the Judgement Seat of Christ and i will be under His gaze( and Pope benedict said that!) and purified so that only those things which remain are pure as gold, silver, and jewels. My sins will be buried in the Sea of forgetfullness never to be remembered now more.

I do not fear the future because i know what the prophets and Jesus Himself said is to come. “fear not!”. I know the ending. I do not need apparartions of mary, not nostrodomus nor mayan calanders. I have the book of revelation of Jesus Christ as told to John.

I do not fear the word apostate. Or heresy. For the Holy Spirit will guide me.

Amen to that post!!!:tiphat:

 

[tweetymom]

Although the faith you have expressed here at CAF is not Catholic, for once I am also in 100% agreement with you.

Once again thank you for your judgement of me:tiphat:

 

[PRmerger]

Once again thank you for your judgement of me:tiphat:

Welcome back, tweety.

 

[tweetymom]

yes I was banned for a few days because I made a statement that wasn’t liked . But am back and thank you for the welcome back:tiphat: But I have made amends . God Bless all

 

[Carlan]

yes I was banned for a few days because I made a statement that wasn’t liked . But am back and thank you for the welcome back:tiphat: But I have made amends . God Bless all

Welcome back Tweet,
We do all make mistakes Tweety, the wise learn from them.I have learned a lot from these wonderful Apologists, not to say I’m so wise though, never too late to learn, huh? Good for you for hanging in there. Carlan

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

***I watch the news on TV. ***

Well that explains it…

you watch the Catholic hating media… and you wonder why you are misinformed…??

what i said was true as of a few yrs ago. if things have changed… i don’t know about that. But i doubt they changed THAT drastically…

and when you consider all the confusion in protestantism its no wonder people search for and find the RCC the only Church that has cohesion of beliefs… its like a huge puzzle where NO pieces are missing… The protestant churches… Yikes…

Contrary to what you might think, most Protestants are not confused like a cat chasing his tail day in day out, about morality and theology or ecclesiology. Most Protestants go to Bible studies, pray hard, attend worship on Sundays and many also on Wednesdays, and they don’t stay up late at night trying to put pieces together. And it might surprise you also that they don’t compare themselves to the Catholic Church 24/7 thinking about ecumenism and reunions with Rome or how they lack an infallible teaching authority. When I attended the Anglican church for about seven years, I not once heard people mention Catholicism good or bad. Lutheran worship I’ve attended and Lutheran institutions, the same thing. Catholicism isn’t the barometer and litmus test for Protestants all the time and for most none of the time. The ones who are confused are those in turmoil like the Episcopal Church vs. Anglican breakoffs like ACNA and the ELCA Lutherans vs. LCMS Lutherans, etc. And even in those situations those folks are trying to reform from within and change things for themselves, not seek the Catholic world for advice and feel lost without the pope. I don’t say this in anger but just from observation. Most Christians just try the best that they can just like most Catholics do.

 

[Janet1983]

The doctrine of substitutionary atonement is a heresy.

How that? What’s the point in Jesus Christ dying on the cross if He did not do it for our sins, paying the price we would have to pay?
To rightfully pay for our sins against an infinitely holy God we would have to suffer through the infinite punishment in an eternal hell… Through the cross we don’t have to.

 

[Janet1983]

Well, yes and no. We are all waiting for the Bridegroom…but Catholics receive Him at Mass, in the sublime consummation of their One Flesh Union through the Eucharist. How magnificent is that??!!

Well the issue is that most Protestants to not believe in the real presence.
I for my part don’t do it anymore… I therefore can and will not and never again bow down to the so-called eucharist, that you deem to be God.
I therefore cannot follow your argument of a one flesh union. Jesus Christ is my life and that is far more personal than eating your eucharist.
My soul depends on Him and my life is directed towards Him. No symbol, sacrament or ritual can bring me closer to Him than the renewing of my mind through my Lord and Saviour.

 

[PRmerger]

Interesting I have asked this question on 2 threads and not one Catholic has got it right, not one

That is quite q peculiar comment, coming from a Protestant who believes in individual interpretation of Scripture.

To paraphrase Catholic apologist John Martignoni: if, according to Protestant theology, I have the right to read and interpret the Bible for myself, and I choose to interpret those passages as supporting the Catholic teaching on the New Covenant, how can you, Hisalone, tell me that I’m wrong in my interpretation? That’s the interpretation I get when I read Scripture (not to mention the 2000 years of constant teaching of the Church has “got my back” so to speak ).