do you have to be Catholic to get into Heaven??

[tweetymom]

I don’t get carried away with logic or who’s right or who is wrong! I have Jesus in my heart and He knows and cares for me, Answers prayers , has given me peace joy and Salvation. I just don’t get hung up on they said this or that one said that. I know who I believe in and that is great for me. So in my heart denomanation isn’t a big thing for me. I have been slammed and bashed for this but it’s ok, cause I know in whom I believe in. I understand it fully and do not have a problem with it and have never been convicted.

 

[tweetymom]

That’s what the Church teaches today in the catechism but it’s not what earlier popes were saying. How could one pope contradict another pope? That’s what I find illogical. One pope says you must be Catholic to be saved and another says you don’t.

And brother we don’t amen to that and God Bless you on you journey

 

[Janet1983]

That’s what the Church teaches today in the catechism but it’s not what earlier popes were saying. How could one pope contradict another pope? That’s what I find illogical. One pope says you must be Catholic to be saved and another says you don’t.

… I know they have a way of winding themselves out of this one too…

 

[Carlan]

Originally Posted by Janet1983
I don’t believe in the real presence anymore and I actually do know Him. I was raised Catholic and I was raised into this belief.
I do not believe it anymore… Jesus Christ is a part of my life and this intimacy is not dependent upon going into a church and it does not end after digestion and after the blessing at the end of mass. I do not only live in the presence of the Lord for a maximum of 2 hours a day… I talk to Him… I praise Him, I thank Him for His blessings, I ask Him to forgive me and I can come and ask for my needs…

Janet,

What baffles me about you Janet, is why you still come into CA.
You have already explained to us that you no longer believe what is taught in the Church, that which has been handed down from Christ through his Apostles, and that you have no intentions of returning.

You say you left the Church during exposure to theology, and growing doubts. I’ve concluded then , from what you have told us about your thorough catechesis, time in a convent , continued ed through college, all of that wonderful Catholic education became stuck in top in your head and didn’t go any further, like into the heart where it must to dwell. You know what Jesus talks about in the book of Matthew, what God requires of us, are hearts changed and surrendered and submissive the will of the Father.
Evidently that had not happened to you before you turned away from the Church.

Forgive me for surmising, but I would think some time later for what ever reason, you were drawn to an experience which let to the so called born again experience. That is a good thing , with Catholics it usually turns them back home to where they belong. Some though get caught up in one or another of the different Protestant theologies and end up as you have separated from the full truth,that is, what Jesus gave to us through his Apostles.
Logical or not. Carlan

 

[distracted]

Protestants experience the Real Presence in worship. I have had that experience in worship and I’ve also had that experience in the Eucharist.

John 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.
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they have some kind of good feeling & all good things come from God. i know 'cause i’ve been to some non-C services…

but they are missing something. i canot put it into words… not goingto even try (strange for a female to give up on words, huh?)

but at the Blessed Sacrament there is more than can be found elsewhere… God said that only those who DO the will of God (not just know it) are going to enter Heaven . At the Blessed Sacrament one is shown the will of God (or is just me??)

we must DO the will of God if were are to make it to Heaven… The only way to know it (really well) the will of God is to spend time with He who IS the will of God… Jesus…

 

[distracted]

Thank you sir. To be honest, I’m so tired of the arguing and bickering amongst men and Yes, this is true, however why did Martin Luther do it? Because he had nothing better to do? He saw the corruption that man’s pride can do
Take Care and May God Bless!

Ed

I’m getting tired of Luther being exonerated of all the evil he did. i feel he was too busy looking at the faults & shortcomings of others (in the beginning anyhow) that he had no time or inclination to look at his own. If Christianity is not about changing whatever within isn’t right, it not going to change the world. Chrity begins at home.

 

[distracted]

, if I walk up to any Christian (no matter what denomination) and ask him or her how do you attain eternal salvation, the answer should always be accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. That is all I have to say about that.

Take Care and May God Bless!

Ed

where does it say THAT in the BIBLE??

 

[distracted]

Guess what I did when I was Catholic? I spend 10 months living at a nunnery and my hallway was only accessible through the chapel giving me the unique opportunity to be there very often… Daily mass, daily rosary, liturgy of the hours (and when I missed them due to me still being in school at the time I prayed them alone), etc.
I know that there is a vast difference… I do not believe anymore that what you believe to be God is God and I still am in His presence every day and more intimate than I could ever have imagined. I do not need to spend hours in front of the tabernacle to be with Him…

well, you are entitled to your choices…

 

[distracted]

Sean,

I’m just trying to get behind the logic… How can one human being believe both when they do not say the same?

this statement makes no sense to me.

 

[ronin67]

where does it say THAT in the BIBLE??

John 3:16: For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, SO THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE
(Jesus=Eternal life (salvation)

John 14:6: Jesus told them, “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me”.
(Acceptance of Jesus as your Lord and Savior=Passage to Heaven to be with the Father/Eternal salvation)

Is the Church a intergral part of this intimate relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, Yes. However, if I never walk into a Church again, and continue to maintain a intimate relationship with Jesus Christ, repent to God of my daily sins, and spread the truth of the gospel to as many people as I meet in my daily walk in life, can I still have salvation? YES!!! I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. Another tough question (this one is usally only tough for Catholics). If I never have the opportunity to take Holy Communion (participate in the Eutharist) again, do I lose my salvation? If I never get baptized (my situation doesn’t permit this for what ever reason), and I have made this personal commitment to Christ Jesus, read and study the word of God daily, repent of my sins to God daily, and actually go out and do my part in sharing the Gospel with total strangers or people I know (evangelizing, something many Catholics just don’t do, even though it was commanded by Christ Jesus), do I still have salvation through Christ? YES, I do!! No human being or church can second guess the grace of God the Father. Humans may think they know the status of anothers eternal salvation, but do we really know? Only our great Father in Heaven above knows the truth of our salvation status (who is in the book of life). I am so looking forward to going through the class to becoming a Catholic (Christian). Catholics try so hard to justify there one and only true message of salvation thru the church, yet without Christ, what point would there be for the church? Christ is the church whether it be Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, etc., as long as the true message of the bible is taught (unlike many of the Christian cults that take away and add from the message as they please). I love this forum because now I understand where many Catholics are coming from. I hope to add more biblical relivance to my fellow Catholics in the future.

Take Care and May God Bless you all!

Ed

 

[Janet1983]

this statement makes no sense to me.

Well how can anybody equally believe two statements that are contradictory?

 

[PRmerger]

The same way that the Church teaches there is no salvation outside the Church but those outside can be saved. I’m also trying to get behind the logic.
See my post #1226.

No. Those outside cannot be saved.

 

[PRmerger]

Even though I disagree with these claims of the CC it still has more logic in it:
The more you know the more responsibility you have… You never heard of the CC? Then it’s ok if you’re not a member…
However knowing about 2 denominations, one of which claims that they are the one true church and trying to be a member of both while their teachings are partly contradictory is more than just puzzling to me… It is a logical impossibility…
There is no logical way out through lack of knowledge…

Love you for saying that, Janet! kiss! kiss!

 

[ronin67]

No. Those outside cannot be saved.

According to Catholic doctrine. The church can’t second guess the grace of God (if you say the Catholic church is the only church that can interpret/is the only way to salvation, then you need to go back and read it again). God decides who is to be saved and who is not. Those outside of Christ cannot be saved (At least that is what the Holy Scripture says). Also, outside the church, doesn’t just apply to the Catholic Church (Catholics believe this, but that is incorrect). It means outside the church of Christ Jesus, which encompasses all Christian Churches that preach the truth of the Holy Bible (Sorry, once again to the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons are not in the mix).

Take care and May God Bless!

Ed

 

[PRmerger]

God decides who is to be saved and who is not. Those outside of Christ cannot be saved (At least that is what the Holy Scripture says). Take care and May God Bless!

Ed

You are making a very Catholic statement above, Ed. Christ is the Head. The CC is His Body. Outside of Christ (Head and Body), there is no salvation. We cannot decapitate Christ. He’s a total package–head and body.

 

[ron77nyc]

No. Those outside cannot be saved.

Pope Boniface says you have to be in submission to the Roman Pontiff. He and Eugene exclude Muslims, Jews, pagans and also at that time Eastern Catholics. They were not in submission to the pope.

The Church has always taught baptism of desire which maybe Eugene and Boniface didn’t know about?

“…unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

I already quoted the catechism on Jews, Muslims and people who seek God with a sincere heart. They can be saved while not in submission to the Roman Pontiff. It’s a definite contradiction in what the Church has always taught.

 

[ronin67]

You are making a very Catholic statement above, Ed. Christ is the Head. The CC is His Body. Outside of Christ (Head and Body), there is no salvation. We cannot decapitate Christ. He’s a total package–head and body.

Right, along with the Baptist Church, Lutheran Church, and all the Churches that preach the truth of the Bible (you silly guy you left everyone else out). I’m sorry I thought I made a very “Christian Statement”, not just a very “Catholic Statement”.

Take Care and May God Bless!

Ed

 

[PRmerger]

Right, along with the Baptist Church, Lutheran Church, and all the Churches that preach the truth of the Bible (you silly guy you left everyone else out). I’m sorry I thought I made a very “Christian Statement”, not just a very “Catholic Statement”.

Take Care and May God Bless!

Ed

Indeed!

And to the degree the the Baptist Church, Lutheran Church and all the Churches that preach the truth of the Bible agree with His Body, the CC, then they are united with Christ, the Head.

 

[PRmerger]

Pope Boniface says you have to be in submission to the Roman Pontiff. He and Eugene exclude Muslims, Jews, pagans and also at that time Eastern Catholics. They were not in submission to the pope.

Yes. If they were not in submission to the pope, to the degree that they understood what they were rejecting, then they were not in submission to Christ and therefore outside the church. And therefore outside of salvation.

The Church has always taught baptism of desire which maybe Eugene and Boniface didn’t know about?

I’m quite certain they did.

“…unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

Ok.

So who could accuse the CC of teaching a works-based salvation now??

I already quoted the catechism on Jews, Muslims and people who seek God with a sincere heart. They can be saved while not in submission to the Roman Pontiff. It’s a definite contradiction in what the Church has always taught.

It is NOT a contradiction. They have the possibility of salvation, but to the degree that they reject the teachings of the CC, accept it, or are invincibly ignorant is the degree to which their salvation lies.

Nothing more.

Nothing less!

 

[emseguin]

Dear ronin 67

yet without Christ, what point would there be for the church? Christ is the church whether it be Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, etc., as long as the true message of the bible is taught

Yes, Christ is the Church, however there is only ONE Church.
Please explain to me how Christ would possibly want SUCH a crazy amount of division so as to have 30000 + churches? Please explain to me why there is ONE Catholic Church, and yet, Protestant Churches are flying up by the second?
I dont like the music here, so I will create my own church and play the music I want.
I dont like the minister here or how they public speak, Im going to bring a better speaker and open up a church.
Heck, if Hillsong didnt have MUSIC, well I think they would not have a ‘church’ either.

The “true” message you state that must be taught so as to be Christ’s church, well, I think THAT makes no sense, to me anyway, because each Protestant church teaches something different.

Keep searching, you are great to ask questions and speak up, God is working to lead you to the one Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, that does not divide, and the gates of hell will not prevail. Pray, and pray hard about this, He will lead you if you want it.
I will pray for you tonight.

Peace and God’s blessings,