do you have to be Catholic to get into Heaven??

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all the disciples where Catholic too? I never heard they where and where they saved?

The first church founded at the time of Pentecost was the Catholic church, pro. There were thousands of people who converted to Jesus and when they were “saved” depends upon what you mean by “saved”. They were saved when they were baptized, they were saved when they confessed with their mouth that Jesus is Lord, they were saved by His cross, they were saved when they repented, and, in the end, they were saved when they died and said Yes! to the Divine Marriage Proposal!

so everyone in Jesus times was Catholic already ?

Well, there were some Jews and pagans around, too!

I think Christians went to heaven in the NT I agree there was a Catholic church early on, but they never taught in the early years about only Catholics would go to heaven

In the early years there were no Baptists, Anabaptists, Calvinists, Presbyterians, Independent Congregational, Congregationalists
Independent Disciple, Restorationist, Christian
Independent Dunkers (Tunker, Dipper)
Independent Exclusive Brethren (Closed, Strict)
episcopi vagantes (“wandering” bishops-at-large, very small under 100 members)
Independent Anglican Evangelical
Independent Fundamentalist
Gay/Lesbian homosexual tradition (i.e. so-called “gay churches” such as Metropolitan Community Churches)
Hidden Hindu believers in Christ
etc etc etc.

so there was no need to proclaim that only Catholics go to heaven.

Incidentally, the CC does not say only Catholics go to heaven. It does say that outside the CC there is no salvation. Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

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Cardinal [Edward] Cassidy took “The Gift of Salvation”] back to the Vatican in **1997 **and was teaching it to the bishops. It sort of percolated through the church, and the Pope, who — significantly — was an Augustinian, picked it up And then a decade later, it ended up in the catechism.

How is this possible when the current CCC came out in 1994?

 

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John 3:16: For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, SO THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE
(Jesus=Eternal life (salvation)

John 14:6: Jesus told them, “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me”.
(Acceptance of Jesus as your Lord and Savior=Passage to Heaven to be with the Father/Eternal salvation)

Is the Church a intergral part of this intimate relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, Yes. However, if I never walk into a Church again, and continue to maintain a intimate relationship with Jesus Christ, repent to God of my daily sins, and spread the truth of the gospel to as many people as I meet in my daily walk in life, can I still have salvation? YES!!! I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. Another tough question (this one is usally only tough for Catholics). If I never have the opportunity to take Holy Communion (participate in the Eutharist) again, do I lose my salvation? If I never get baptized (my situation doesn’t permit this for what ever reason), and I have made this personal commitment to Christ Jesus, read and study the word of God daily, repent of my sins to God daily, and actually go out and do my part in sharing the Gospel with total strangers or people I know (evangelizing, something many Catholics just don’t do, even though it was commanded by Christ Jesus), do I still have salvation through Christ? YES, I do!! No human being or church can second guess the grace of God the Father. Humans may think they know the status of anothers eternal salvation, but do we really know? Only our great Father in Heaven above knows the truth of our salvation status (who is in the book of life). I am so looking forward to going through the class to becoming a Catholic (Christian). Catholics try so hard to justify there one and only true message of salvation thru the church, yet without Christ, what point would there be for the church? Christ is the church whether it be Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, etc., as long as the true message of the bible is taught (unlike many of the Christian cults that take away and add from the message as they please). I love this forum because now I understand where many Catholics are coming from. I hope to add more biblical relivance to my fellow Catholics in the future.

Take Care and May God Bless you all!

Ed

b4 i forget, in answer to the question Where does it say in the Bible that you have to “accept Jesus as your personal Savior”…

in Mark 10:17 it says that … a person asked Jesus what he must do to be saved. Jesus says to OBEY the COMMANDMENTs… He says nothing about accepting him as personal savior. Frankly, i always had a problem with that “personal” thing… but t hat’s another issue…

anyway, then to make matters “worse” Jesus said that if he wanted to be perfect (St Mat 5:48 Be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect") sell what you have, give to the poor and follow Him. The man went away sad because he had great wealth… and even those who are poor do not want to give up what they have to follow Jesus… Again, no mention of accepting him as personal savior…

now i will read the rest of your post, even though i am sure i’ve heard it b4…

 

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John 3:16: For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, SO THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE
(Jesus=Eternal life (salvation)

John 14:6: Jesus told them, “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me”.
(Acceptance of Jesus as your Lord and Savior=Passage to Heaven to be with the Father/Eternal salvation)

Ed

those passages do not prove that one must “accept Chirst as personal savior”… Those words are NOT in the bible…

some crazy people claim Jesus told them to do this or that… I heard of a mental institution where there were 2 people who both thoght they WERE Jesus…

the Church was founded to guide peole in the perfect way of salvation… a way that God approves of. He is the great Psychologist and knows waht we need… He knows alll the questions we can ask (although asking too many interferes with faith)… He knows ALL about us… .and set up His Church accordingly. The only thing mentioned in the Bible of something that can overcome the very gates of Hell is the Church…!! No individual was promised that… no other institution known to man was promised that… only THE CHURCH…

In 1 tim it says that the Church is the pillar of truth… The Church… not some image someone has in their head of Jesus… and everyone has a little bit of different take on who Jesus is to them “personally”… But Jesus is the same to everyone, in a certain sense… meaning He is objective, absolute truth… He won’t tell one person to do one thing and another something entirely different (as a human psychologist would) just because of the “personal” differences between the 2…

some background on your spiritual journey would be helpful… i have no clue what you know about the Catholic religion or don’t know…

 

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According to Catholic doctrine. The church can’t second guess the grace of God (if you say the Catholic church is the only church that can interpret/is the only way to salvation, then you need to go back and read it again). God decides who is to be saved and who is not. Those outside of Christ cannot be saved (At least that is what the Holy Scripture says). Also, outside the church, doesn’t just apply to the Catholic Church (Catholics believe this, but that is incorrect). It means outside the church of Christ Jesus, which encompasses all Christian Churches that preach the truth of the Holy Bible (Sorry, once again to the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons are not in the mix).

Take care and May God Bless!

Ed

the Church teaches that others outside the RCC can be saved… but that it is more difficult for them because they don’t have the sacraments, etc…

if someone told you differently, he/she was wrong.

and it is not God who decides who will be saved. It is the individual him or herself who decides… Salvation is open to ALL…

 

[Hisalone]

The first church founded at the time of Pentecost was the Catholic church, pro. There were thousands of people who converted to Jesus and when they were “saved” depends upon what you mean by “saved”. They were saved when they were baptized, they were saved when they confessed with their mouth that Jesus is Lord, they were saved by His cross, they were saved when they repented, and, in the end, they were saved when they died and said Yes! to the Divine Marriage Proposal!

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No it is obvious the first church was Pentacostal

Catholics are now part of the name it and claim it crowd I see.

 

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The Bible didn’t say the Catholic Church was the body. It said the church was the body (their you go thinking its just the Catholic Church again). You guys are so silly. Salvation through Christ and anyone who practices, preaches, and promotes this biblical truth is the true church (the body of Christ).

Take Care and God Bless!

Ed

Catholics are not silly… you don’t u/stand because you are not Catholic… just as i do not understand you because all i know about you is waht you wrote here and that’s virtually nothing. all i know is you are not Catholic. You have to BE Catholic to fully u/stand it…

There is only one thing mentioned in Sacred Scripture that has power over Satan and the gates of Hell…

that is the CHURCH…

no other institution … no individual person… only the CHURCH…

Jesus promised that the Church would not teach error… When you insult members of the Church you insult Christ. (St Mt 25:31)

 

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No it is obvious the first church was Pentacostal

Catholics are now part of the name it and claim it crowd I see.

there is only one Church… hence the term “first church” is irrelevent… moot

 

[Hisalone]

there is only one Church… hence the term “first church” is irrelevent… moot

So you agree that it was Pentacostal?
You didnt attempt to correct PRm who used the very same phrasology, so you are selective I see.

 

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So you agree that it was Pentacostal?
You didnt attempt to correct PRm who used the very same phrasology, so you are selective I see.

i don’t have time to read every single post…

there is ONE Church and that original ONE Church is the Roman Catholic Church…

all others are either not in full communiion or they are out and out separated.

all besides the RCC are man-made.

 

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some crazy people claim Jesus told them to do this or that… I heard of a mental institution where there were 2 people who both thoght they WERE Jesus…

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LOL destracted!


Peace of Christ to you!

 

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LOL destracted!


Peace of Christ to you!

kinda funny but when you think about it, its kinda true…

everyone who loves Jesus and tries to follow Him (not sure about the 2 aforementioned nuthouse residents) is another Jesus… since jesus said that whatever is done to the least of his brethren is done to him…

so in a way we all are Jesus… cool how he so relates to us like that…

 

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Hisalone

Who is your authority?
Just like every team, there is a captain.
Just like every country, has a leader

Christ left His Church under an authority…you need an authortity to run a Church, a captain to run a team, a leader to run a country. Otherwise there is chaos.
People doing there own things, claiming whatever, chaos! Mass destruction!

And so who is it that runs the 40000+ denominations?

Who can I go to, and ask questions? The head of the Protestants???
Tell me.

Thank you

God bless!

 

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Hisalone

Who is your authority?
Just like every team, there is a captain.
Just like every country, has a leader

Christ left His Church under an authority…you need an authortity to run a Church, a captain to run a team, a leader to run a country. Otherwise there is chaos.
People doing there own things, claiming whatever, chaos! Mass destruction!

And so who is it that runs the 40000+ denominations?

Who can I go to, and ask questions? The head of the Protestants???
Tell me.

Thank you

God bless!

i don’t that argument works w/ protestants… they will probably just accuse us of having a dictatorship instead of a democracy…

 

[Mary_Blevins]

if any non-Christian is saved, it is through Jesus Christ only and not the power of any other [non-existent] deities.

Amen.

 

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**i don’t that argument works w/ protestants… they will probably just accuse us of having a dictatorship instead of a democracy… **

true, but that isnt an answer.
forget about us for a second, who is their authority?
A book? The Bible? Well it is important, but it cannot talk back.
How is that an authority?

I am just confused on that

 

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true, but that isnt an answer.
forget about us for a second, who is their authority?
A book? The Bible? Well it is important, but it cannot talk back.
How is that an authority?

I am just confused on that

never saw it that way before… an authority that can’t talk…

that’s no authority at all… .esp when there are so many interpretations of the Non-Authority.

 

[Hisalone]

Catholics are not silly… you don’t u/stand because you are not Catholic… just as i do not understand you because all i know about you is waht you wrote here and that’s virtually nothing. all i know is you are not Catholic. You have to BE Catholic to fully u/stand it…

There is only one thing mentioned in Sacred Scripture that has power over Satan and the gates of Hell…

that is the CHURCH…

no other institution … no individual person… only the CHURCH…

Jesus promised that the Church would not teach error… When you insult members of the Church you insult Christ. (St Mt 25:31)

No he didnt.

When you insult nonCatholic Christians you attack the Body of Christ.

 

[Hisalone]

true, but that isnt an answer.
forget about us for a second, who is their authority?
A book? The Bible? Well it is important, but it cannot talk back.
How is that an authority?

I am just confused on that

The word of God is our authority.

 

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The word of God is our authority.

Firstly, that is a nonsensical statement. It begs the question.

Secondly, do you have a Scriptural verse to support that the word of God is your authority? Chapter and verse please. (The word “authority” would be preferable in that verse, and not the word “useful”)

Thirdly, even if we assume that the word of God can be an authority, why are there at least 40,000 different understandings of this authority? How could an authority be so…so…confusing that one group of people read it and think that the Lord’s Day should be celebrated on Saturday and another group think it should be on Sunday? How could the authority tell one group that literally 144,000 are going to heaven and another group that it’s symbolic? How could this authority tell one group that to be “born again” means to be covered in amniotic fluid? Really, His?