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But then you say…‘people’…didn’t see the word for the lack of punctuation. Sorry.
So I take my words back…
No problem, I figured you mis-read that.
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Shoshana
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No problem, I figured you mis-read that.Just that part though…Code:
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redrosetea
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I like him, his style is a lot like Bishop Sheens was…He reminds me a lot of St Paul, who did some very unsavory things before he became a Christian. They were worse than what Fr Corapi did…
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Sailor_Kenshin
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But our faith is indeed black and white. There is the Eternal Truth, versus whatever anyone happens to want to believe at the random firing of a rogue neuron.Our faith is not so black and white people and we do not need fear mongering to get the message across. Stop looking for the devil and start looking for Christ in the face of others. It makes for a lighter heart and a forgiving soul.
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mom4truth
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Good one!
Anamchara:
I don’t think we are on the same level as Fr. Corapi. He is an “ordained priest”. Are you ordained? Have you study theology and all the education necessary in becoming a priest? Are you under the guidance of a bishop, the Holy Father? I do not think lay people are on the same level as priests (those who are in full obedience to the Magisterium - the priests). Can you change the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ? I don’t think so, nor can I. Can you hear confessions and give absolution? I don’t think so, nor can I. So - I think are numerous reasons why “we” are not on the same level as Fr. Corapi. Priests, such as he, are probably divinely inspired in many different ways. As laypeople we can also be divinely inspired, but not in the same capacity as priests. Therein lies the difference, IMHO.
Good one!
Anamchara:
I don’t think we are on the same level as Fr. Corapi. He is an “ordained priest”. Are you ordained? Have you study theology and all the education necessary in becoming a priest? Are you under the guidance of a bishop, the Holy Father? I do not think lay people are on the same level as priests (those who are in full obedience to the Magisterium - the priests). Can you change the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ? I don’t think so, nor can I. Can you hear confessions and give absolution? I don’t think so, nor can I. So - I think are numerous reasons why “we” are not on the same level as Fr. Corapi. Priests, such as he, are probably divinely inspired in many different ways. As laypeople we can also be divinely inspired, but not in the same capacity as priests. Therein lies the difference, IMHO.
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chewchoo
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. The Holy Spirit does not limit influence with only the likes of Fr. Corapi. St. Paul and John the Baptist were dealing with serious persecution my friend and are the fathers of our faith. There is hardly a camparsion. Fr. Corapi is hardly persecuted. He made a great deal of money, blew it up his nose, found Jesus and now makes money again, hopefully this money goes to a greater good. His self advertising I find distastful but that’s just my opinion, you don’t have to like it. Is he genuine? Sure.
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above is the quote where you brought up his addictions, and i don’t see the explanation??? to me it looks like a pot shot at Fr. C. i have been following this thread pretty closely, ana, and i was beginning to give you the benefit of the doubt on our differences of opinion, but then you gave fr. corapi a low blow. his past has absolutely nothing to do with his preaching of today. sure he’s not saint paul, but before saul became paul he was persecuting christians. God took that passion and converted it to his use, same with Fr. C.
as for Fr. corapi’s slant…
truth is truth. (as Fr. C says, the truth isn’t something, it is somebody, aka jesus christ) in my daily magnificat readings, saving the sinner is the main topic. sure, it is presented from many different angles, but the essense is the same. there is active sin and sin by omission, but we have to be conscientious of it. go and sin no more. do your best to live a virtuous life. all of these readings and talks are to help us evaluate our existence. some people live in denial that they are doing wrong. they/we need all the help we can get. some of us need a bigger shove to get us to see things according to the gospel truth. i happen to like fr. corapi’s shove
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redrosetea
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What do you think about Bishop Sheen’s self advertising, and the money he made off of his TV program? He was TV’s first televangelist…He broke new ground when he did that TV show
He won an emmy and was up against Milton Berle…He gave away millions of dollars to worthy causes…He is being studddied for canonization…Part of the problem in the church now ,leads from the fact no one seems to want to tell people they are going to hell if they don’t change their way of living…they want to make everyone feel so special, even when they are in danger of losing their soul
It sounds to me like you are really judging Fr Corapi very harshly and with no proof of any wrong doing except you don’t like his style…
He won an emmy and was up against Milton Berle…He gave away millions of dollars to worthy causes…He is being studddied for canonization…Part of the problem in the church now ,leads from the fact no one seems to want to tell people they are going to hell if they don’t change their way of living…they want to make everyone feel so special, even when they are in danger of losing their soul
It sounds to me like you are really judging Fr Corapi very harshly and with no proof of any wrong doing except you don’t like his style…
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Strummer
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…and such as been repeated over and over by the Corapi supporters.as for Fr. corapi’s slant…
I find it odd then to see mom’, chew’, whomever to then take offense…
…I mean, after all, the truth IS the truth, isn’t it? Corapi was a drug addict. He has admitted this himself. This is not news and it is fact, i.e. truth. I guess some of you people simply cannot handle the truth.
…or could it be the *way *that particular truth was delivered that bothers so many? Hmm? Uncomfortable with anamchara’s style, are we?
Ah, so it’s okay to “shove” people as long as you agree with the shover?some of us need a bigger shove to get us to see things according to the gospel truth. i happen to like fr. corapi’s shove
I don’t have a dictionary handy, someone tell me: is that hypocracy or a double-standard?
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anamchara
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I gave my explanation in this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=3698572&postcount=436 someone else did not like my opinion. I was referring to this thread when I told you I gave an explanation. Also, I never said his past had anything to do with his preaching today. You decided to connect those dots and you also decided that I didn’t like Fr. Corapi because of his addiction which was completely wrong. And now you tell me that you have been closely following this thread? I don’t think you have if you can come to these sorts of accussatory conclusions. No, I’m sorry, but it really doesn’t seem like you have given me any sort of benefit, doubt or otherwise. I don’t even know what that’s suppose to mean anyway. Was already written off in your book and you were working hard to try and give me a “benefit of doubt”? Heavens.
Fr. Corapi did blow his money up is nose. That’s a reality and truth, truth…something many of you seem to be real big on. Was I suppose to sugar coat that because it was Fr. Coprai? Sure, I could I have and if I felt he deserved a sugar coating then I would have given it. But not have after pages of posts where people are talking about him like he walks on water. It’s one thing to say “oh it’s ok you don’t like him” but it is quite another thing to say “if you don’t like him then you can’t handle the truth”
Or from another poster who seems to claim he is above the rest of us. And more important not after he made comments about blaming 9-11 on America’s sin in his “wake up America” that was wrong on his part. Ask yourself, would the Pope had said that to America? I don’t think so. I will not allow some preacher to tell victims of 9-11 that it was because they sinned that they lost thier husband, mother, child. I also will not sugar coat for someone who kills bears for sport, I’m sorry but that cuts me to my core and as the poster “strummer” says in one of his threads" “His battlefield imagery devalues non-Catholics/non-Christians paving the way for prejudice and persecution against them.”He is slanted. EWTN is also slanted. Commonweal is slanted. Yes, truth is truth but our Church is huge with different ways of focusing and looking at the same faith. Obviously, you like a style that seems to focus a great deal on everyones sinful nature. I’d be careful with that. It can turn us into judgmential people. Our faith is not limited to freting over our sin all day. There is hope through Christ.as for Fr. corapi’s slant…
I happen to not like Fr. Corapi and I feel I do have a right to voice my opinion in this thread as it was the question.
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aimee
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Come on anamchara tell us how you really feelI gave my explanation in this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=3698572&postcount=436 someone else did not like my opinion. I was referring to this thread when I told you I gave an explanation. Also, I never said his past had anything to do with his preaching today. You decided to connect those dots and you also decided that I didn’t like Fr. Corapi because of his addiction which was completely wrong. And now you tell me that you have been closely following this thread? I don’t think you have if you can come to these sorts of accussatory conclusions. No, I’m sorry, but it really doesn’t seem like you have given me any sort of benefit, doubt or otherwise. I don’t even know what that’s suppose to mean anyway. Was already written off in your book and you were working hard to try and give me a “benefit of doubt”? Heavens.
Fr. Corapi did blow his money up is nose. That’s a reality and truth, truth…something many of you seem to be real big on. Was I suppose to sugar coat that because it was Fr. Coprai? Sure, I could I have and if I felt he deserved a sugar coating then I would have given it. But not have after pages of posts where people are talking about him like he walks on water. It’s one thing to say “oh it’s ok you don’t like him” but it is quite another thing to say “if you don’t like him then you can’t handle the truth”
He is slanted. EWTN is also slanted. Commonweal is slanted. Yes, truth is truth but our Church is huge with different ways of focusing and looking at the same faith. Obviously, you like a style that seems to focus a great deal on everyones sinful nature. I’d be careful with that. It can turn us into judgmential people. Our faith is not limited to freting over our sin all day. There is hope through Christ.
I happen to not like Fr. Corapi and I feel I do have a right to voice my opinion in this thread as it was the question.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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It’s just an animal, and it’s legal to hunt it. Get over it. It’s not like someone’s murdering an unborn baby.
I don’t think Fadda John walks on water. I think he came from the gutter, and he’s looking up at the stars.
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chewchoo
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yes, corapi was a drug addict, he was many things before his conversion. that is not being disputed. the phrasing of ana’s post seemed to mean that because of his past that his words today are not to be trusted. that is what i am taking offense to.
and we seem to have a problem with the definition of truth here. we’re not talking about the truth of fr. corapi’s life choices or your life choices or ana’s or my life choices. we’re talking about THE TRUTH. jesus is “the way, THE TRUTH and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me” (john 14:6). that is the truth that we are discussing here, the truth that fr. corapi is preaching and the truth that some aren’t focusing on.
go ahead, shoot down the messanger. corapi is very much used to it. i have become used to ana’s style. we already have agreed to disagree. that doesn’t mean i can’t debate the issue here.
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anamchara
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Red, You seem to looking for a debate with me. I am actually a big fan of Bishop Sheen. I wasn’t a Catholic at the time nor did we ever watch him growing up so I have no idea what his advertising style was like. I have recently been introduced to him through repeats on EWTN. My husband and I both like him. He is nothing like Fr. Corapi. Totally different approaches.
As far as judging Fr. Corapi, if you go back and read my posts, I give reasons and proof. Have you read through this whole thread? Did you see the pictures of him with the bear? Did you click on the link in this thread on his “wake up America”? Don’t get caught up with the anamchara calumny that seems to happening in here.
Fr. Corpai is a priest and he is also a man. This does not mean he is above us nor does it mean we can’t give our opinion about him. I’ve seen plenty of people on here rake Fr. Greeley over the coals and say some pretty bad stuff about him. I guess it’s ok to do that to him, eh?
I think people are very aware of their sin. Some do not know how to change it though and that’s why we need to approach in kindness and understanding. I am a big believer in the old “You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar” approach. I don’t like fundamentalism. I think it is the wrong approach. As I’ve said several times on here,** it’s just my opinion.
**You don’t have to agree with me.
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anamchara
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I tryCome on anamchara tell us how you really feel
No, wrong again. Please do not misconstrue my words. That is not what I was saying at all. I realize it is much more convenient to believe that about me but don’t let yourself fall into the sin calumny.
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chewchoo
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now, now ana, i only have your words as i see them in the post. i can’t read your mind. and as you point a sin at me, remember there are three fingers pointing back at you.
and as for “giving you the benefit of the doubt” i’m sorry you took offense to that phrase, but as we have discussed in the past, we disagree and we agreed to have that difference. my benefit of the doubt was in your earlier postings i was starting to see and appreciate your point. shocking i know.
but the discussion evolved to not appreciating that point any longer. as for liking to focus on our sinful nature… if we’re not aware of our sins, how are we going to acknowledge them to ask for forgiveness?
peace ana.
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anamchara
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now, now ana, i only have your words as i see them in the post. i can’t read your mind. and as you point a sin at me, remember there are three fingers pointing back at you.
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Shoshana
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I’m not sure I understand why so many posters in here don’t seem to grasp the concept of balance in our faith.
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chewchoo
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Now now chew…I think we need to take a look at this before we try and blow it off as “well it was only your words I read, I can’t read your mind”
You read my words wrong. I’ll post my words again here and this time try reading them without the defensive Fr. Corapi filter. Tell me where did I ever say I don’t like him because he was a drug addict? Where did I say he can’t be trusted because he was a drug addict? These are your words not mine. Here’s my original post:
i write requirements for a living, if somebody doesn’t understand my words, then i have to rework them. i just can’t tell the customer, tough, you misread my intent. if words get interpretted wrong, then that means the original intent wasn’t accurately conveyed and we’re going to get a poorly built product.
okay you didn’t say you didn’t trust him because he was a drug addict. what were you trying to convey by adding that factual bit of information about him? everybody knows his conversion story. what was the point of adding it?
and i didn’t say that i beat myself up about sin.
as for judgementalness of everything outside of out faith… we should be living a faith centered life and everything that we come in contact with should be evaluated based on the faith. we cannot live outside of the faith. this is where the truth comes into play. the 2000 year old truth of jesus and his church. the church has fought heresy after heresy in the 2000 years of its existence because of people who dream up things outside of the truth.
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Shoshana
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And the Fullness of Truth belong to the Catholic church…no argument there…
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Roy5
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THANKS, ANAMCHARA
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I had resolved not to add anything more to this thread, but couldn't resist coming back. Just saw a little of Fr. Corapi on EWTN and it only confirmed my distaste for his method of presenting the faith. He probably is a very fine man, but he has no appeal to me when it comes to presenting matters of faith.
Now, thanks for your patience in dealing with my doubts. You write of the importance of the 'real presence' and that is the arena for some of my most serious doubts. That the bread and wine become the actual body and blood of Christ? Sorry, but that gives rise to many questions. Frankly put, it simply seems so pagan, rather like the ancient followers of Isis and Mithra and other mystery religions that competed with Christianity 2000 years ago.. They taught, as I recall, that in consuming god through their sacraments they drew closer to god, more like god, etc.
I know you have been a Protestant - Methodist and Presbyterian as I recall - but you write as though the clergy of such groups must toe a doctrinal line. I haven't found that to be true. I have been involved in ecumenical Bible studies (less popular today, at least in this area) and I found the Methodist and Congregational clergymen who sat in very flexible, ready to take seriously several different interpretations of various verses. They were far from fundamentalism, and didn't seem high church, either. The Methodist seems to have been influenced by Quakerism somewhere along the way and was less into formal liturgy and more into spirited worship. He even had a little touch of pentecostalism in some respects.
In our discussions as an ecumenical group I sensed that mainline Protestants like those present were wide open to various ideas, not the least bit dogmatic, and I was attracted by that spirit of "you have an interesting idea" rather than "the church doesn't teach that." I guess I have a need for relaxed discussions of doctrinal matters without the constraint of catechisms. If the Methodists or Congregationalists have catechisms I never heard them quoted. Protestants in the groups disagreed with each other with no animosity. All fellow Christians searching for the truth, realizing that our finite minds were quite limited, butv respectful of different opinions. Catholics (including a nun) seemed to feel that they couldn't express an opinion that might contradict what they were supposed to believe.
At this particular time, this may be the style of faith I need. I simply can't believe that one religion has all the truth and is the only faith acceptable to God. I enjoy open and stimulating discussions. I find the Bible full of verses that can be interpreted in a variety of ways, and parts of the Bible I find distasteful. Did God order Joshua to kill all the inhabitants of Jericho? Or command Saul to slay every last Amalekite? I don't believe in such a God - not for a moment!
Anyway, blessings on you - and keep smiling.- Status