Do you like or dislike Father Corapi?

[anamchara]

This statement tells me a lot in our conversation.

I should clarify that. I do watch EWTN a great deal. They have some good stuff. But it is slanted…and in a way that I don’t like. Raymond Arroyo and Fr. N I have issues. I could go on but I wanted to at least say that.

 

[redrosetea]

It seems to me that you are gentle with yourself and stern with others…

 

[mom4truth]

ana:

What exactly do you mean when you say that you don’t like EWT and that it is too conservative?

 

[chewchoo]

It seems to me that you are gentle with yourself and stern with others…

you caught that too!

 

[anamchara]

It seems to me that you are gentle with yourself and stern with others…

It’s a bit unfair don’t you think to make a judgment like that when we are in the middle of a debate? I’m obviously a minority in here so I probably will seem a bit edgy. Put yourself in a room with a bunch of people from “call to Action” and will see how gentle you end up being.

I am very stern with myself and my own sin my friend. But that is not what we are discussing in here.

ana:

What exactly do you mean when you say that you don’t like EWT and that it is too conservative?

EWTN does not fully represent the Church, This doesn’t mean they have some great programs. I think they do. However, you should not be getting all your answers from there or this forum. I read the catechism, the Vatican website and the US Catholics bishops website if I want to get my information. I also listen to my priest and our own Bishop. I’m a good Catholic warts and all.

I think I’ve seriously beat a dead horse in this thread. You all like Fr. Corapi, that’s great. I don’t and I don’t have to. I think there are better ways to teach the faith using **truth **without his tactics. Sorry, I’m firm on that one.

 

[chewchoo]

[No, I disagree. It does not always mean the original intent wasn’t accurately conveyed.

You still did not show me where I said I didn’t like him because he blew money up his nose. You highlighted these words for me.
This statement in no way could possibly be interpreted as *I don’t like him because he did this.

You also need to connect with the WHOLE content Chew. I was addressing a different poster and trying to make a point. Read that posters then mine. And also read ALL my posts about Fr. Corapi. You are pulling something completely out of context here. The other thing that gets me is if you think I brought that up to discredit him, they why did I laud his work for what he has done in the paragraph?? How could anyone have read those words and think I was saying I didn’t like him because hew as coke head? Especially since I have given several examples as to why I don’t like. As I said :banghead: I judge what comes out of his mouth TODAY.

Ok, I see where is the problem. I have not only explained this but several times. In post 436 and 438 as an example, I make it very clear. He doesn’t walk on water and is not perfect that was my point.

You are referring to post 455 where I write:

My dear, read the purple. I wasn’t saying you necessarily.

I don’t have a problem with this. I wasn’t implying that shouldn’t be focused on our faith in our daily life. But what I see too often in here is harsh judgment and finding the devil in places like the public school. That is where I take issue with. I gave an example of this in my last post.
so you’re telling me then that the next time you happen to talk about st. paul you will casually mention that he threw stones at the stoning of st. stephen and was happy to see another christian die. after all, st. paul wasn’t perfect either. his 27 letters in the new testament are just somethings he wrote after he found jesus.

and yes this is a valid comparison, even tho you most likely will disagree.

 

[redrosetea]

I am using the same yardstick to judge you that you are using to judge Fr Corapi and now EWTN…your own words…you can’t have it both ways you know…if others are going to be judged by their words, you should be judged that way too…if you feel it’s unfair , perhaps you need to rethink what you have been doing…

 

[anamchara]

so you’re telling me then that the next time you happen to talk about st. paul you will casually mention that he threw stones at the stoning of st. stephen and was happy to see another christian die. after all, st. paul wasn’t perfect either. his 27 letters in the new testament are just somethings he wrote after he found jesus.

and yes this is a valid comparison, even tho you most likely will disagree.

What in Gods name are you talking about? I was talking about putting Fr. Corapi up there with the fathers of our faith. I disagree with this.** I also mentioned that many posters seem to think think this man walks on water like Jesus.** I was making a point Chew. You don’t get it. I think you need to let this one go. I have explained several times. I don’t know what else to tell you.

Also, I thought it was you who said you didn’t necessarily agree about the comparison? Now your saying you do? which is it? I guess I could find that post where you said this Chew.

 

[anamchara]

I am using the same yardstick to judge you that you are using to judge Fr Corapi and now EWTN…your own words…you can’t have it both ways you know…if others are going to be judged by their words, you should be judged that way too…if you feel it’s unfair , perhaps you need to rethink what you have been doing…

I don’t think so, nice try. To go after a signature is not only petty but tells me you have nothing else to say put to pick at my character. We know Fr. Corapi, he is up for debate. We are debating liking him or not. What part of that do you not understand?

Perhaps you need to stop with the picking at the poster with condescension and debate the the topic of the thread.

 

[redrosetea]

I am certainly not picking nor debating anything…I am merely trying to understand your postition which seems to be built on sand instead of rock

 

[anamchara]

I am certainly not picking nor debating anything…I am merely trying to understand your postition which seems to be built on sand instead of rock

So why bring up my signature? It was petty. If you want to understand my position then take the time to read all my posts in this thread.

Also, the titled of this thread is “Do you like or dislike Father Corapi” not “let’s pick apart a poster’s character by pointing and laughing at their signature,especially sense said poster stated they didn’t like Fr. Corapi”

I’m confident in my position red, you can think what you want.

As my favorite Irish priest once told me when dealing with the rubbish that comes out of these forums.

Illegitimi non carborundum…

 

[chewchoo]

What in Gods name are you talking about? I was talking about putting Fr. Corapi up there with the fathers of our faith. I disagree with this.** I also mentioned that many posters seem to think think this man walks on water like Jesus.** I was making a point Chew. You don’t get it. I think you need to let this one go. I have explained several times. I don’t know what else to tell you.

Also, I thought it was you who said you didn’t necessarily agree about the comparison? Now your saying you do? which is it? I guess I could find that post where you said this Chew.

the comparison isn’t with jesus, it’s with st. paul. paul was a man, jesus was god-man. fr. corapi is a man. paul and corapi are both explaining jesus’s church accurately. all of the fathers of the church were men, human beings that all made mistakes at one time or another. i don’t know why you keep saying corapi walks on water. i think you are reading into what other people were saying just because i said corapi isn’t st. paul, doesn’t mean that there aren’t a lot of similarities. paul didn’t walk on water either. i definitely don’t get your point, but then you don’t get mine either, so i guess it’s a tie

 

[Julianna]

**anamchara: Ok, I see where is the problem. I have not only explained this but several times. In post 436 and 438 as an example, I make it very clear.

He doesn’t walk on water and is not perfect that was my point. **

anamchara…it seems the folks who like him and his style think he does walk on water. He speaks the truth because he is priest who has been there, done that and has the vesments to prove it. In all of the posts…in the folks who like him…bottom line…use the arguement that he a priest and therefore speaks the truth. The harsher, the better. Some people like the fire and brimstone style. You don’t, I don’t. It is much easier to have someone think for you…than to think for yourself or to question anything, especially if it from a member of the clergy. It is difficult to grow spiritually if the hammer comes down on what is “wrong” with us, our world, society…et al.

I do not take lightly the vocation to the priesthood. It comes will alot of sacrifice for the good. To teach as Jesus did seems lost on the hardliners of the faith.

But folks at the end of the day…Fr. Corapi is man, is a man…is human…just like the rest of us.

We have the right to ask a question. We have a right not to scared into faith or the letter of the law prevails over everything we think, say or do. It is way beyond our humaness to re-embark to the days of sack cloth and ashes.

This is the day the Lord has made…Rejoice and be glad!

 

[chewchoo]

anamchara…it seems the folks who like him and his style think he does walk on water. He speaks the truth because he is priest who has been there, done that and has the vesments to prove it. In all of the posts…in the folks who like him…bottom line…use the arguement that he a priest and therefore speaks the truth. The harsher, the better. Some people like the fire and brimstone style. You don’t, I don’t. It is much easier to have someone think for you…than to think for yourself or to question anything, especially if it from a member of the clergy. It is difficult to grow spiritually if the hammer comes down on what is “wrong” with us, our world, society…et al.

umm, no. quite the opposite actually. his words cause us to think, think a lot. i guess maybe he makes different groups of people think about different things. i want to get to heaven. my thoughts and the actions i have taken since i found fr. corapi have put me on that path. :heaven:

 

[redrosetea]

I don’t think your signature is a petty thing…I think it is important to you and you believe in it…I am sorry you think my opinion is rubbish…I am only perplexed not angry, and not someone who engages in fights

If you don’t like Fr Corapi it’s your right not to…I just don’t think your reasons are anything that I would pay any attention to…I did read the thread by the way

 

[Julianna]

umm, no. quite the opposite actually. his words cause us to think, think a lot. i guess maybe he makes different groups of people think about different things. i want to get to heaven. my thoughts and the actions i have taken since i found fr. corapi have put me on that path. :heaven:

If he causes you to think…that’s good for you. Not everyone falls into that category.

We all want to get to heaven and each of us put our thoughts and actions towards the perfect. Since reading what Jesus said, I have been put on that path. It is clear as a bell to me. His words didn’t shout off the pages…His simple ways of life and interacting with all He met…have taught me much. His mother is a shining example of womanhood. The rites and rituals of the Church keep the folks in the pews in focus. I don’t give total credence to humans. I will question…I will speak my opinons…just as anamchara spoke to the OP’s original question. She also explained clearly and I hope I did as well, why she doesn’t care for his “style”. She, like myself read “beyond” the OP’s question with the understanding that it is not Fr. the person…but his style of teaching we dislike.

Fr Corapi doesn’t have the truth any more than any other member of the clergy. By their vocation they serve to guide us and each has his way of presentation.

 

[Shoshana]

** I also mentioned that many posters seem to think think this man walks on water like Jesus.** I.

Naw, I would tally to say that NONE of us think tat…but we ALL think he rocks the boat!

 

[Strummer]

post #469:

“Sadomasochism Glorified”…

This is a commentary on the film “The Passion of the Christ”. Did you actually read this article? The whole thing? I don’t see what your problem with it could be. But if you just took the snippet you excerpted, one might take issue with “One may wonder what kind of God would demand such a price from his beloved son. Is this the same kind of implacably forgiving God whom Jesus preached in his life?” But it would be intellectually dishonest to harp on that when later in the piece Greeley makes clear what one would/should conclude from the suffering of our Lord.
post #470:

“For Greeley, it is the structure of the Catholic Church that gives rise to the problem. Closed in secrecy, Greeley charges that the Catholic Church is similar to the Mafia, except that the Mafia does not tolerate deviancy the way the Church does. There is hardly a media outlet that Greeley hasn’t used to vent his deep-seated anger at the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, …”

Well this is mildly pathetic really. You quote someone else’s jaundiced opinion of Greeley. And this is the only mention of him in the entire piece! It wasn’t even about Fr. Greeley at all. And the icing on the cake? Read between the vitriol against him and you see that Greeley is right! As if the abuses weren’t bad enough, the Church heirarchy leveraged the inherant secrecy to keep the lid on.
post #472:

“The Novel As Religious Education”

Here you’ve lifted the description of a 20+ year old lecture series from the Center for Jewish-Christian Learning. He appears to be discussing religious education at the meta-level–that is he is talking about how to convey a lesson and not talking about the lesson itself. Don’t you think that little bit context greatly informs your highlighted portions?
post #473:

“Communal Catholocism”

And again we have someone other than the poster going on about their gripes with a straw man version of Fr. Greeley.

The task that was set before you was to find “where Fr. Greeley teaches is wrong”. Rather than finding what Greeley teaches, you’ve dug up what others teach about Greeley. But enough of this sidetrack, Fr. Corapi is the topic here, not Fr. Greeley.

 

[Strummer]

I don’t think your signature is a petty thing…I think it is important to you and you believe in it

A swing and a miss! The pettiness refers to your act of highlighting a signature of a poster rather than debating the issues the poster brings up. This is arguing against the person and not arguing the point. Not only is it petty but it is logically flawed.

…I am sorry you think my opinion is rubbish…

Strike two! You opinion was not called into question but your tactics and all those who would do likewise was. This is truly what is meant by “shooting the messenger”. Anamchara and others have critiqued Fr. Corapi’s style and the logic of some of his arguments but not his sincerity. And yet here we see Anam’ being raked over the coals for her sig-line with thinly veiled accusations of hypocracy. Rubbish indeed!

I am only perplexed not angry, and not someone who engages in fights

Strike three! Though you opt for a well-tuned version of passive-aggressiveness for your style, you are nevertheless engaged in conflict, all your “protestations” to the contrary notwithstanding.

It seems to me that you are gentle with yourself and stern with others…

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I am using the same yardstick to judge you that you are using to judge Fr Corapi and now EWTN…your own words…you can’t have it both ways you know…if others are going to be judged by their words, you should be judged that way too…if you feel it’s unfair , perhaps you need to rethink what you have been doing…

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I am certainly not picking nor debating anything…I am merely trying to understand your postition which seems to be built on sand instead of rock

Do not insult all who read your words by claiming you are “not someone who engages in fights” when the above is obviously goading.

I don’t mind contrary opinions when they are backed up by mature, reasoned arguments. But I find passive-aggressive character attacks to be loathsome. Let us strive to raise the level of discussion here and focus on the points/arguments made and not the individuals. And before anyone accuses me of hypocracy in this, go back and re-read this post: I am critical of the style and arguments, not the person who made them which is precisely what I ask of others.

 

[AlegreFe]

As my favorite Irish priest once told me when dealing with the rubbish that comes out of these forums.

If you find rubbish here then why do you keep posting with us people who are full of rubbish?