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Hi Steven Francis!Thank you one sheep. Your example was great, and I get it. I suppose it’s true enough when we speak of Atheists in general terms, and really, what else can we do without knowing every heart? God alone knows what is in each person’s heart. The Holy Spirit speaks to us in what we refer to as our conscience, and if there is truly no tug to any given individual atheists’ conscience that they are deceiving themselves or others, and if they don’t have any kind of a small warning or anything at all inside that they are denying their creator and redeemer, then it’s theologically possible that they would be in the category of “invincibly ignorant” of God, even after the incarnation, and exposure to the Gospel of Jesus, if they simply can not believe, and it is truly and honestly without any violation of personal conscience, then it may not be willfully and knowingly rejecting God.
So, yes, it is certainly possible that a person may have invincible ignorance. Now, try to come up with an example of someone who rejects God actually knowing all things relevant about his choice and actually willing to reject God as accurately conceived. You are making it sound like ignorance is the rare exception, but what I am observing is that no one ever knowingly and willingly rejects God.

So please try to present an example that runs contrary to my observations. For example, in my observations, the person who chooses to be ignorant does so in ignorance.
Violation of conscience is going to depend on conscience formation, of course. The atheist who rejects Christianity based on the example of the vengeful guy who went into Planned Parenthood and shot some people would be operating from a fairly well-formed conscience. His rejection would be one of ignorance, though, because the probability remains that the shooter did not operate from a position of forgiveness, which is our first calling. Yes, justice is important, but Jesus first commandments are to love God and one another, and if the shooter thought he was operating from love for his victims, he was quite incorrect.I suppose we won’t really know until the last day. I just suspect, personally, (and therefore, it is a theory, not an axiom), that there does exist a percentage of atheists who have had the Gospel of the incarnated God, (Jesus Christ) revealed to them, and in an act of human pride have rejected it, willfully, because it doesn’t fit what they want the truth to be. This group, (which may be very small, if I am correct about their existence at all), may have had their ideas fueled as well by encounters with Christians who are bad actors, and are mistaking the actions of individual or groups of ChristIANS with the truth of ChristIANITY, which fuels their disenchantment with God. Ironically, these feelings may go a long way in reducing their culpability, but since it began with a violation of conscience is still quite problematic. All Atheists, agnostics, pagans, and non-Christian religious adherents are in need of our prayers, and as with all people must be treated with respect, and given their dignity. Whether their rejection is a violation of their conscience or whether it is organic in nature to their reason and in accordance with their conscience.
Do you see what I am saying? The shooter violated my conscience, but not his own. The atheist rejecting Christianity based on the action of the shooter did not violate his conscience, nor does he violate mine.
Does anyone ever knowingly and willingly choose against their own conscience?
Try to think of an easy example, it turns out to be extremely difficult!
Thanks for your response!