Does God exist?

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Vishnu and Mithras were not historical human beings that rose from the dead. Therefore, there is no point in liking them with Jesus Christ.
 
agangbern said:
Yes, you may have million reasons to say that it was horrible! But do not expect that everyone would adopt your million reasons.
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I would expect anyone who understands how science works to adopt the one reason I gave.

I would not expect you to adopt my reason because you clearly do not understand how science works.
What are those evidences?
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None. That’s the point. There’s no evidence that your god, the Hindu gods, the Greek gods, or leprechauns exist. No evidence.
Scientists most often begin with the formulation of a hypothesis. Then they proceed to work out their hypothesis to see if it is correct. Certainly, before they have virified the correctness of their hypothesis, they would not declare it as true as yet.
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Ok, please read this very carefully. The purpose of doing those experiments is to produce evidence for the hypothesis – evidence to compel not just you to accept your hypothesis but everyone who cares to look at the evidence of your hypothesis.

Once a scientist demonstrates that the hypothesis is true (and can repeat it again and again), he can show the evidence to other people. There is no need for everyone else to re-formulate the hypothesis or to do the experiments again (with a firm belief in that hypothesis!).

The evidence generated by the initial scientist should be such that it will compel the acceptance of the hypothesis by even the most skeptical of observers who have not conducted the experiment.

Your analogy fails on every single level. This isn’t a matter of “Oh, you have your opinions and I have mine.” Your analogy doesn’t match up to what it is pretending to match up to.

If you can’t even construct a logical analogy, I have no reason at all to think that your thinking is less sloppy on other topics.

And incidentally, praying as an “experiment” is a joke. We’ve demonstrated that the “spiritual experiences” people have can be induced by applying an electrical current to certain parts of the brain. Your experiences of “god” – which other people call Vishnu, Elijah, etc. – are nothing but brain activity.

And since we certainly have no shortage of people who have tried this “experiment” and failed, we have very good ground for dismissing your results as nothing more than brain activity.
 
agangbern said:
Even their followers did not maintain that Vishnu and Mithras were human beings who rose from the dead.
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I’m not actually an expert on Vishnu, but Mithras’ followers believed that he was a real historical man, born on Dec. 25th in the company of Shepherds, whose mother was a virgin, preached an new contract with humanity, died for the sins of mankind, and rose again on a Sunday.

But let’s say you are right. Let’s say that no one other than Christians and Mithridates believe that their God was a real person who rose from the dead. Your religions are unique in that one respect.

I fail to see why that matters.

Let’s just for a second say it isn’t your religion. Just pretend for a second that I told you of another person who claimed to be God. Let’s pretend that I told you that this person died and rose again three days later. Would you believe me? What if I told you that if I told you I saw him before and afterwards? What if I was willing to die to try and prove it to you? Would you believe me then?

Or would you think I had lost my mind?
 
agangbern said:
Were Vishu and Mithras historical human beings who rose from the dead?
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No, and neither was the legendary Jesus Christ from the gospels.

There is no evidence for his existence other than a collection of myths (written anonymously 40-70 years after the events supposedly took place).

Now I think it’s likely that there was a historical person upon whom the legends were based – but there is no evidence to say that the legendary figure depicted in the gospels existed. None.
 
MegaTherion said:
None. That’s the point. There’s no evidence that your god, the Hindu gods, the Greek gods, or leprechauns exist. No evidence.
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So you forgot that this post contradict your previous post quoted below:
MegaTherion said:
Why would I pray to something I don’t believe in? There’s no evidence that it exists. I might as well pray to the Hindu gods. Or leprechauns. There’s just as much evidence that those beings exist.
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We know that there is God because He has revealed Himself to us. Some have not experienced the revelation and others reject the revelation.

We pray for revelation and that the revelation is accepted.
 
MegaTherion said:
No, and neither was the legendary Jesus Christ from the gospels.

There is no evidence for his existence other than a collection of myths (written anonymously 40-70 years after the events supposedly took place).

Now I think it’s likely that there was a historical person upon whom the legends were based – but there is no evidence to say that the legendary figure depicted in the gospels existed. None.
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Legends are not mistaken as historical facts in world history. We can read in the History of Rome the following:

“The three greatest poets of this time were Vergil (70-19 BC), Horace (65-8 BC), and Ovid (43 BC-18 AD). Vergil’s earliest compositions were a set of pastoral lyrics celebrating artistry and the rural life; these were modelled after Hellenistic poetry. These poems, called the Eclogues , are often blatantly political in nature. In the first Eclogue , Vergil criticizes Augustus’ policies of granting agricultural land to soldiers since these land grants displace poor farmers already living there. However, in the fourth Eclogue , Vergil produces a “prophecy” poem about the birth of Augusts as a savior of the world, bringing peace and law. Since Vergil lived so close to the birth of Christ, the Christians of medieval Europe would interpret the poem as a prophecy about the birth of Christ and give Vergil, a pagan, a kind of honorary status as a Christian poet.”

So, Christ a mere legend? History says otherwise!
 
Sideline said:
Let’s just for a second say it isn’t your religion. Just pretend for a second that I told you of another person who claimed to be God. Let’s pretend that I told you that this person died and rose again three days later. Would you believe me? What if I told you that if I told you I saw him before and afterwards? What if I was willing to die to try and prove it to you? Would you believe me then?

Or would you think I had lost my mind?
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I will check with history and see if your claim is true.
If you are willing to die, I will wait if you will make it true!
So now, does this settle anything?
 
agangbern said:
I will check with history and see if your claim is true.
If you are willing to die, I will wait if you will make it true!
So now, does this settle anything?
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The point is, nothing I said proves anything.

All you’ve said is that some people in Galilee believed that they met God and convinced other people they were right.
 
Sideline said:
But let’s say you are right. Let’s say that no one other than Christians and Mithridates believe that their God was a real person who rose from the dead. Your religions are unique in that one respect.

I fail to see why that matters.
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We have talked about the external realities that confirm the internal.You looked for them from me and I said that I have to be perfected yet and that there is one who had perfected them, Jesus Christ.

Christ is a human being, like you and me.He showed us the example of how to prove that God exists and be united with His spirit. If this man was merely a legend and did not rise from the dead then there is nothing to speak of as external realities that confirm the existence of God…

That is why the fact that Jesus Christ is a man who rose from the dead matters much.
 
The Church does not know the actual date of Christ’s birth. We began celebrating His birth on December 25th at a certain point in history for reasons you can look up yourself, with all due respect.

Also, I want to begin this new day with a statement:

It can be proven that God exists on different levels. Some of us have already agreed on this.

Also, it can be proven that God does not exist - but through error and deception. (The Dawkin’s gentleman who argues God’s non-existence I believe means well. I really do believe he does. But his arguments contain error - and in a corrupt world it is easy for people to get fooled into thinking God does not exist by faulty arguments.
 
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The Church does not know the actual date of Christ’s birth. We began celebrating His birth on December 25th at a certain point in history for reasons you can look up yourself, with all due respect.
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Forgive me but I have to take exception to the statement that the Church does not know the actual date of Christ’s birth. The Church knows for sure that it is Dec 25.

But this would need another thread.
 
Snerticus said:
The angels were once in our very shoes. And Lucifer saw God face to face. Yet, he STILL had the free will to say no. We won’t become robots.

Yet there will never be valid proof for those who aren’t open to it.
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Do angels even wear shows? And I can state with some degree of authority that I am not an angel.

Poor Jesus. He certainly had no free will.
 
I am sorry to push the point, but there is no proven date of Christ’s birth. The Church choseDecember 25th as the day to celebrate the birth of Christ. We have put it on our Church Calendar for good reason but not because we have actual proof of this being the actual date of the birth of Christ. If you don’t trust me, there is nothing further I can say to you on the matter.
 
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