No more contrary than the Pope’s. We have the same enemies, so I must be doing something right!Luke6_37:
In the same way that people can look at a color and judge what color it is, or look at a cat and judge it to be a cat, people can look at the beliefs someone claims and judge them to be conducive to a specific religious belief.
In your case, the beliefs you defend are contrary to Catholicism.
Define “this.” We have no evidence of anything.
Sadly, I think Cardinal Burke is the one who is creating the scandal. It is truely scanalous for an Archbishop to speak against the Pope in public and to the media this way. That is an inside attack.billy15:
Define “this.” We have no evidence of anything.
If by “this” you mean the initial article, then calling it scandal makes as much sense as saying the Church being accused of being the whore of Babylon of fundamentalist is a scandal. Neither are true and both are outside attacks.
I think some people just look for lies to get in a lather about. Maybe Jesus had the right idea of silence before his accusers, instead of arguing with liars. I would think Pope Francis knows a little bit about Jesus. Not every man of God likes to keep himself in the media spotlight every day. Some prefer a life of humility.
That was actually the point of this whole thread all along. While I am tempted to question the intelligence of Catholics, I know that is not really the problem. Rather, the media is more savvy, even simply bloggers, and definitely those that employ algorithms to help determine the best way to deceive people into clicking on their stories.
Old wine skins should not drink new wine, because it will cause them to burst! Better that they drink the old wine, which is good wine, and leave the new wine for the new wine skins who are flexible enough to handle it.
Why? Because some people are too stupid or too naive to read? Because some swallow every ridiculous story they believe that makes Pope Francis look bad? Even your little bit of twisting, inserting the word “might” to make the Pope look worse, is not much than what this atheist did. Yet it is so thinly veiled it so as to be obvious. The Vatican has been unequivocal in its denial. Why this is not good enough for you, or Cardinal Burke, is between you and God.
The reason the Church is the Church of Nice takes divine revelation that only comes through the Holy Spirit. As Paul wrote to the original Church of Nice, the one that Jesus founded:
This is easily solved. Do not seek the truth from atheists.
I am confused. What is wanted, is it clear doctrinal teaching, or is it engaging in the vanity of proving a negative? The Vatican has reaffirmed the teaching on Hell. Isn’t that the clarification most needed?
This has been a lively discussion for sure, but as long as people are civil, why should the mods to censor what they say? If you can’t defend your faith, then either brush up on your apologetic skills or move on to another topic. There is a big world out there and the Church is either at a disadvantage or has no advantage when it comes to bringing people to Christ. We only have the truth of the Gospel. However, if all you can be is a “prophet of doom”, then don’t be surprised if you fail to win hearts and minds for Christ.pnewton:
Which is hilarious because the real point of the thread shouls be to ask what Francis really said and why he continues to leak things, I’m sorry, five interviews, I’m sorry story changed again, speak off-the-record with an atheist journalist who give times before this has “misrepresented” his words.
You say Catholics must be stupid for believing this story. I’m not even sure what we’re supposed to disbelieve. Francis didn’t deny anything specific. The Vatican just said: “He might have been misrepresented” about what? Who knows.
But I’m sure the good apostates at CAF modding team will delete this anyway. So really it doesn’t matter. Gotta keep the first commandment of the Church of Nice “Never allow the truth to go unmoderated”
Church of Nice?ChunkMonk:
The reason the Church is the Church of Nice takes divine revelation that only comes through the Holy Spirit. As Paul wrote to the original Church of Nice, the one that Jesus founded:
" But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law."
You’d accuse Paul of doing the same thing then.
The Church isn’t the Church of Nice; our Lord and Savior had the habit of not doing nice things from time to time.
As if.
But did the atheist represent or mis-represent the truth of the conversation? The Vatican didn’t say… So speculation is allowed to flourish creating accusations, disunity, and confusion.
Did I miss where the Vatican clarified the teachings of Pope Francis on the doctrines related to hell and the immortality of the soul? Luke 6_37 isn’t the only soul who seems to be confused.
“From time to time” is not the same as a habit. Twice in his life he turned over tables, while he was known for supping with the worst sinners. I know one who used this “Church of Nice” a lot in his videos, that lacked (in his videos) forebearance, kindness, gentleness, peace, and pretty much every one of the fruits that Paul said marked the handwork of God in the world today. So, we are told to judge by the fruits whether one is of the Holy Spirit. This name, “The Church of Nice,” is one of the oddest twist of Christianity I have ever heard, transforming the fruits of the Holy Spirit into a fruit of bitterness. It sounds more of a Republican talking point (against being “politically correct”) than Christian.
May God bless you and lead you to the fulness of the Truth. I’m not seeking to better understand the Pope…God knows his heart and will judge all of us according to the graces He has given us and how we cooperate or reject His invitation to be conformed to Christ instead of seeking to conform Christ to our way of thought.
Why is this even a question? The Church has never issued a response to Jack Chick, even though he references what popes have done. He is simply known not to be credible.
The doctrine of the Church, is that of Jesus Christ, not of any Pope. Yes, they reiterated the doctrine of Hell. Pope Francis has himself affirmed the existence of Hell.
Wow, you really need to lighten up. Why don’t you try the Catholic Memes thread.
No. Peter was wrong that time.Luke6_37:
You’d accuse Paul of doing the same thing then.