Does the Catholic Church accept Mormons as your brother and sisters in Christ?

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Akini said:
TheosisM

Thanks for the brief description on how mormons baptize people. Just a further question for enlightenment - why the Catholic Church does not consider their (mormons) baptism valid? After all they mention the blessed Trinity?
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This article should be helpful on that issue:

ewtn.com/library/theology/mormbap1.htm

It seems to stem from the divergence in our understandings of who the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are.
 
TheosisM

Thanks for the information source. I will look at it and hopefully know more about this subtle group.

God Bless
 
It really intrigues me about the belief by the mormons that there are three different gods who formed one divinity. They also believe that God the Father has a wife and their first born is Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit is the son of the heavenly parents!

Please can someone rid the world of this non-christian and false organization. Last year, I went to Western Samoa in the South Pacific and believe me this is spreading like hell fire in that country. I was told that they give material handouts (such as cars) to people just to lure them.

This is a clear case of leading people to HELL.
 
Akini said:
It really intrigues me about the belief by the mormons that there are three different gods who formed one divinity. They also believe that God the Father has a wife and their first born is Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit is the son of the heavenly parents!

Please can someone rid the world of this non-christian and false organization. Last year, I went to Western Samoa in the South Pacific and believe me this is spreading like hell fire in that country. I was told that they give material handouts (such as cars) to people just to lure them.

This is a clear case of leading people to HELL.
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I wouldn’t be so quick to judge. Mormons are not leading people to hell. In fact, just the opposite. You need to study just how mormons live their daily lives. It is not so bad. They have morning and evening prayer as a family. They say a blessing over the food they eat. They read the scriptures daily, if possible and they attempt to obey the commandments.

Far from going to hell. No one gets a car…but they do help the poor and the needy with food if necessary. There are many things this world should be rid of, but mormons are not one of them.
 
Marie5890 said:
All I am saying is that Mormon baptism doesnt override it…

I didnt have to be re-baptized

If “brothers and sisters in Christ” is defined as having a valid baptism, many Mormons indeed have a previous valid baptism.
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I rejoice with what God has done with others with a similar journey as yours: from being baptized Catholic, to Mormonism and a return home to the Catholic Faith. IMO… the elect inside of the Mormon church will leave the Mormon Faith for historic Christianity (Catholic, Orthodox, Protestants, Anglicans). The historic creeds (Christian orthodoxy) are essential truths of being Christians. We rejoice in the truth together. :hug1:

:grouphug: I would love all Mormons to be part of the circle of life in Christ by becoming ex-Mormons, and receiving the historic orthodox Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
 
ralphinal said:
Really? I suggest that you re-read the Gospels. Jesus told them to proclaim the Good News, but if you actually pay attention, we are told to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the imprisoned, comfort the sorrowful, etc. Jesus himself did more than proclaim the Kingdom.

And, as God is my witness, if Jesus could dine with tax collectors and prostitutes, there is NO REASON anyone cannot be kind to Mormons.
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(grin)

Why, thank you.

I think…

Diana, bemused…😃
 
bookgirl32 said:
Interested to see if this will be too “off topic” for you 2nd ;).
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That really is his crutch, he tries to use “off topic” as a sheild to try and build a senario where he beleives you can’t argue against Calvinism any more (typically, or I guess some of his other views here).

I wonder if it’s occuring to him what it is he’s doing to try and defend his views. I wonder if this doesn’t speak to him of the weakness of his views, that he has to resort to “well that’s off topic” as a crutch to prevent conversation about aspects of his views not easily defended.
 
dianaiad said:
(grin)

Why, thank you.

I think…

Diana, bemused…😃
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You’re welcome 🙂

It is a case of extremes. IF the most holy can dine with the most impure, then why can the impure not dine with the impure?
 
crazzeto said:
Um, well we Catholics accept that all sacrade authors were inspired by God there is no doubt of this. No one should believe that God guaronteed that everyone translating the bible did so with out error either intetional or accidental. In fact the fact that translation as well as copy error has occured is a simple and easily provable fact. In fact the one perfect copy of the bible which we accept is the Latin Vulgate which was jelously gurarded and maintained by the Vatican. All others intorduce the possibility of error. Not suggesting that my Douay-Rehiems bible or your KJV is deficiant, I’m just stateing reality.

If you believe that all translators and scribes copying the bible were inspired by God and there for have never made an error, then there is a book you seriously need to read:

Where we got the bible: Our debt to the Catholic Church

Or freely available online here

For Catholics this is not a problem, Jesus didn’t leave a dead book behind to guide the faith. He left a living breathing Church, and promised the gates of hell would never prevail against it.
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I have many translations and even used to have Catholic translations. I don’t really use or like the KJ Bible. All our Bibles are translations with error. Even the publishers have notes by the translators to this effect. However, this is quite different than what Mormons claim. Our major translations are trustworthy! The inerrant infallible Word of God really consists of the originals. However, we can still have an extremely high view of the Word of God as being the Word of God.
 
2nd_Adam said:
For the Catholic, I’m sure it’s a big part of your definition.
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It should be for all Christians. Jesus commanded that all be baptized. Jesus also said that man must be born again of WATER and the Spirit. In Acts, we see baptism as being required in conversion. St. Peter talks about how baptism saves us as the Ark saved Noah.
 
TheosisM said:
Well, the KJV is a tad deficient, since it’s missing some books, but that’s for another thread ;).
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The English translation of the day which also came to America with the Puritans and Pilgrims was the Geneva Bible and not the KJV. I believe the KJV came from the Bishops Bible as compared to the original language. I heard that the mainstream Geneva Bible of those days had too much Reformed notes for the King of England to handle, therefore he authorized the work of the KJV.
 
Akini said:
I apologize for my lack of knowledge about mormonism. Can somebody briefly describe how mormons perform baptism?
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We believe in baptism by immersion, when the person is old enough to be accountable for his or her own sins (about 8 years, at least) in the Names of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. The problem Catholics have with it is that our understanding of the Trinity (though a LOT closer to theirs than that of many Protestants, as far as I can tell) is different enough that it invalidates the whole idea.

Of course, in one sense we are stricter than the Catholics are in this matter. We don’t simply believe that the Catholic baptism is invalid—we believe that all but baptisms BUT ours are invalid. On the other hand, we don’t baptise for the remission of original sin, either–figuring that Christ already took care of that one, so our refusal to accept the baptism of other Christian churches doesn’t say quite the same thing as does their refusal to accept ours.
 
TheosisM said:
I’ve noticed a running theme in all the threads 2nd Adam participates in…😉
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This thread was caused by my brother Benidict who is Catholic. As we were discussing on the sufficiency of Christ thread, a Mormon poster Z became a major distraction. My brother in Hawaii told me that Z is our sibling in Christ on that thread. Therefore, we have this thread. 🙂
 
Akini said:
It really intrigues me about the belief by the mormons that there are three different gods who formed one divinity. They also believe that God the Father has a wife and their first born is Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit is the son of the heavenly parents!

Please can someone rid the world of this non-christian and false organization. Last year, I went to Western Samoa in the South Pacific and believe me this is spreading like hell fire in that country. I was told that they give material handouts (such as cars) to people just to lure them.

This is a clear case of leading people to HELL.
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Ah… a Catholic sibling with godly discernment! Benedict, please learn from this particular Catholic sibling of yours. Mormons are the mission field and not your siblings in Christ. They need the historic orthodox Jesus Christ!

:signofcross::knight1::grouphug:

Our unity is orthodoxy!
 
2nd_Adam said:
I have many translations and even used to have Catholic translations. I don’t really use or like the KJ Bible. All our Bibles are translations with error. Even the publishers have notes by the translators to this effect. However, this is quite different than what Mormons claim. Our major translations are trustworthy! The inerrant infallible Word of God really consists of the originals. However, we can still have an extremely high view of the Word of God as being the Word of God.
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Why are they trustworthy Adam?
 
Mormons get baptized??

I have no idea what the official church stance is on if they are our brothers/sisters or not, but I think of everyone as my brother or sister…not, literally, but, when I deal with them, I give them the same respect I would if it WAS my brother or sister, because, well they might BE someone’s brother or sister, and I would always want my loved ones treated with the same respect…least thats how I see it…

But I always thought THEY didnt consider US brethren…My uncle married a mormon…and…we were cool…she came to the hospital when my daughter was born…

but when I made my uncle the ‘God Father’ ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lord. She refused to come. Doesnt come to ANY birthday parties, gives him BIG TIME grief for going…I’m like, were his FAMILY!!! and hes not ALLOWED to come around??

But shes his family too now, his wife, so I respect their relationship and would never get into it with her. I also have to be open minded enough to realize that, in the same way I would never attend a same sex marriage or something of the sort, she may not have come to the baptism for religious reasons, not wanting to be a witness or what have you…

But yeah, EVERY SINGLE mormon I’ve EVER met, has never been, open, to being a full on friend to me…its like … they stick together and only associate within their own circles…
🤷

cept for ParkerD that dudes down to earth and weve had some interesting theological conversations 🙂
 
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