Donald Trump leads Walker, Bush in Fox national poll

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Vanny said:
FollowChrist you are right but many of my conservative Christian/Catholic friends support him and I want them to understand that they are supporting a candidate who is not pro-life/who supports Planned Parenthood- but they are so take with him on other issues.
I think he’d be a disaster in the White House but I guess I’m a minority among Republican likely voters right now.
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Yes. I understand what you are trying to do. I agree with you and am trying to do the same thing. You are not in the minority. Remember only about 30-35% of conservatives support Trump - that is 3 or 4 out of 10. Very serious, informed social conservatives - prolife - are not in this group I don’t think. Trump’s supporters are more the “tea party” extremist wing of the party. Not necessarily religious. The same people that went for Rand Paul a year ago. Or Ted Cruz.

I blame the media frenzy too. They are creating a monster - just trying to get ratings. This feeds support for Trump on the ground and makes the battle more uphill for the good conservative candidates. There is still time - this will play itself out. The CNN Republican debate is 9/16/15 - coming up. I think that will be the next big chance for other candidates to wallop Trump - God help us. 👍
 
Crossbones said:
Seem like Republicans to me.
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I prefer “the dark underbelly” of the party. 🙂

Kind of like PP supporters on the left. The ones you don’t like to admit are in your party. :o The ones that make you want to put a paper bag over your head.
 
Vanny said:
thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/250878-trump-takes-heat-for-planned-parenthood-remarks
thinkprogress.org/election/2015/08/12/3690681/donald-trump-planned-parenthood/

Trump basically supports retaining funding for Planned parenthood except for it’s abortion aspects. Give me a break!! You think if you give money to Planned Parenthood it won’t go to abortion??
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Trump made his views clear,

1.) Said government should be shut down if Planned Parenthood was not defunded.
2.) His backpedalling was that they might do some good things, as a layman he did not fully understand the situation. Perhaps those good things could be funded still.
3.) Finalized his position on the Sunday morning news shows, Planned Parenthood would NOT be funded as long as they did abortions.
GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump said on Sunday that Planned Parenthood must stop offering abortions among its healthcare options, adding that he can’t recall if he’s ever donated to the group.
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“Look, Planned Parenthood has to stop with the abortions,” he told host Chuck Todd on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”
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“And it was inappropriate,” the outspoken billionaire added. “I didn’t like what I saw.”
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thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/251225-trump-not-sure-about-planned-parenthood-donations

Open immigration endangers the whole pro-life movement. Trump addresses the harm immigration is doing. Jeb Bush is a bit lenient in this aspect.
Trump’s position that the group “has to stop with the abortions” but provides other worthwhile services could yield long-term political benefits.
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foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/26/trumps-planned-parenthood-hedge-brings-risks-rewards/
 
estesbob said:
Regan respected women and refused to criticize fellow Republicans. Trump is about as different from Reagan as one can get.
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No, Trump speaks his mind, Reagan spoke his mind, Trump wants to make America great, Reagan wanted to make America great.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
I prefer “the dark underbelly” of the party. 🙂

Kind of like PP supporters on the left. The ones you don’t like to admit are in your party. :o The ones that make you want to put a paper bag over your head.
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My party? Making too many assumptions there.

I don’t think dark underbelly at all. Mr. Trump appeals those that appreciate the direct speech and like their politicians not to be bought by rich donors. The problem for Republicans is that, at first glance, it looks like he’s the only one in this group with those qualities.
 
Crossbones said:
My party? Making too many assumptions there.

I don’t think dark underbelly at all. Mr. Trump appeals those that appreciate the direct speech and like their politicians not to be bought by rich donors. The problem for Republicans is that, at first glance, it looks like he’s the only one in this group with those qualities.
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Rich donors compared to whom? Let’s just make it clear, the same pertains to the Democratic Party per the likes of Soros and many others.
 
Path_Finder said:
Rich donors compared to whom? Let’s just make it clear, the same pertains to the Democratic Party per the likes of Soros and many others.
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Exactly, Trump will appeal to independents and Democrats as well because he can’t be bought.
 
Ted Cruz has raised money with an average of $68 dollars from 150,000 persons or some figure like that. Go Ted Go.
 
estesbob said:
Regan respected women and refused to criticize fellow Republicans. Trump is about as different from Reagan as one can get.
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:yup:
presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=44128
Statement on United States Immigration and Refugee Policy 1981 - Ronald Reagan
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• We shall continue America’s tradition as a land that welcomes peoples from other countries. We shall also, with other countries, continue to share in the responsibility of welcoming and resettling those who flee oppression.
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**• At the same time, we must ensure adequate legal authority to establish control over immigration: to enable us, when sudden influxes of foreigners occur, to decide to whom we grant the status of refugee or asylee; to improve our border control; to expedite (consistent with fair procedures and our Constitution) return of those coming here illegally; to strengthen enforcement of our fair labor standards and laws; and to penalize those who would knowingly encourage violation of our laws. The steps we take to further these objectives, however, must also be consistent with our values of individual privacy and freedom.
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• We have a special relationship with our closest neighbors, Canada and Mexico. Our immigration policy should reflect this relationship.
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**• We must also recognize that both the United States and Mexico have historically benefited from Mexicans obtaining employment in the United States. A number of our States have special labor needs, and we should take these into account.
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• Illegal immigrants in considerable numbers have become productive members of our society and are a basic part of our work force. Those who have established equities in the United States should be recognized and accorded legal status. At the same time, in so doing, we must not encourage illegal immigration.
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• We shall strive to distribute fairly, among the various localities of this country, the impacts of our national immigration and refugee policy, and we shall improve the capability of those agencies of the Federal Government which deal with these matters.
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• We shall seek new ways to integrate refugees into our society without nurturing their dependence on welfare.
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To me this is a “no” to mass deportation of 11 million people. Is it a nuanced responsible effective approach to solving the immigration crisis.

Reagan was a man of great vision and integrity. To hear him compared to an out of control oaf like Trump is painful. And I don’t even agree with Reagan on everything.
 
estesbob said:
Regan respected women and refused to criticize fellow Republicans. Trump is about as different from Reagan as one can get.
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Well, since some seem to thrive on name calling, insults of Trump, not sure if these words have much credence.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
:yup:

To me this is a “no” to mass deportation of 11 million people. Is it a nuanced responsible effective approach to solving the immigration crisis.

Reagan was a man of great vision and integrity. To hear him compared to an out of control oaf like Trump is painful. And I don’t even agree with Reagan on everything.
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Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million 30 years or so ago. Big difference with at least 11 million.

Rubio admits, giving amnesty 30 years ago was an error.

dailycaller.com/2013/06/28/flashback-2009-rubio-says-reagan-made-a-mistake-with-1986-amnesty/

Let’s see, Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million, now we are talking about at least 11 million here. Doesn’t sound like that worked out to great and

Reagan’s Red California is now a Blue California. How’s that working? Bills for home abortion in the legislature anyone?
 
Crossbones said:
My party? Making too many assumptions there.

I don’t think dark underbelly at all. Mr. Trump appeals those that appreciate the direct speech and like their politicians not to be bought by rich donors. The problem for Republicans is that, at first glance, it looks like he’s the only one in this group with those qualities.
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“Direct speech” is not the same thing as espousing responsible good policy; it is not a good thing when these two things are just assumed to be the same thing. All Mexican immigrants are violent criminals. Women labelled as animals and disgusting. Megyn Kelly is a bimbo who should be replaced. How is this celebration of “direct speech” good for anyone? Authentic?

Agreed he is the only candidate on either side not in the hands of rich donors. However, he is I think a little more unprincipled that many others in the GOP and even some on the left. :o (excepting Hillary)

Sorry for the slur of insinuating that you were a Democrat.
 
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