Donald Trump Will Skip the Fox News Debate

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lax16 said:
I’m no saint, but I wouldn’t classify myself as evil either.

I have to agree - if I am holding out for a saint for prez I will never vote.
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I’m not saying that we should hold out for a saint. But the comment:
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We are not electing a Saint, we are electing a President. I don’t want a Saint running the country. I want someone who will ruthlessly defend the country.
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can, so far as I read it, be interpreted in two ways. In context, in reply to my comment about Trump being boorish, it seems to imply that the bad things Trump does do not need to be addressed because “we aren’t electing a saint”. But if you focus on “I want someone who will ruthlessly defend the country” as a contrast to a saint, with the implication that a saint would not ruthlessly defend the country, then that seems to imply that we need a president who will do evil (torture, etc) in defense of the country.

Neither one of those seems like a good position to have. Not holding out for a saint is one thing, but why wouldn’t we want one, if we could have one?
 
Skipping the debate makes Donald seem like a petulant, frightened man. I’m not surprised at his decision. :rolleyes:
 
Anthony2112 said:
You won’t have much company. We’ll be watching the Trump show on CNN.
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For every major political battle over the past several decades, Trump has been a no-show. TED CRUZ has been there for many. Why some people here believe in Trump’s Road to Damascus conversion to conservatism the night before he declared is puzzling, to say the least.
If I were to suggest a year ago that Republicans would swoon over a guy who has donated to and suported Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy and Chuck Shumer among many other radical leftists, you’d have thought that I was a candidate for the asylum. 😃
 
Neither one of those seems like a good position to have. Not holding out for a saint is one thing, but why wouldn’t we want one, if we could have one?
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Well we can break that down to the fine line of love and hate. I’m still counting on good and love prevailing and awaiting to be truly awed by a real leader. Perhaps we need to travel further down the rabbit hole. So be it, nothing new and that really is boorish. I believe the silent “majority” are stunned by all this. So too though we have to focus on the good that hate bought to the surface. And thats to see and address some of the obvious wrongs both sides uphold.
 
Anthony2112 said:
What’s brilliant is that the media think it is a disaster and it is the opposite.
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agree totally! Donald Trump is outmaneuvering the MSM yet again and taking his case directly to the people of Iowa instead! Meanwhile, any news agency who wants a crack at covering it will be paying out of their advertising profits a big sum to the Veterans. He is running for free and the media is footing the bills.😃
 
Interesting that Ronald Reagan also skipped the last debate in 1980. And we all know how that eventually turned out.😉
 
Iron_Donkey said:
I’m not saying that we should hold out for a saint. But the comment

Can so far as I read it be interpreted in two ways. In context, in reply to my comment about Trump being boorish, it seems to imply that the bad things Trump does do not need to be addressed because “we aren’t electing a saint”. But if you focus on “I want someone who will ruthlessly defend the country” as a contrast to a saint, with the implication that a saint would not ruthlessly defend the country, then that seems to imply that we need a president who will do evil (torture, etc) in defense of the country.

Neither one of those seems like a good position to have. Not holding out for a saint is one thing, but why wouldn’t we want one, if we could have one?
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I agree that Trump is boorish. I think we should all choose to behave in a civil manner.

People I know can relate to Trump. They talk like he does in the privacy of their own homes.
They shrug it off and say “well, that’s what I was thinking!”

It’s strange to see how far the ideals of the presidency have veered off course. I don’t like it at all. But I would rather have a rude president than a pro-abortion/euthanasia one.

I like Cruz. Not sure how he has been polling lately.
 
All these powerful people have more money than me and mine do. But, we all have freedom of speech (so far)! When I run my mouth my message is up for contradiction. I try to back it up and get agreement or at least feel I left the soapbox leaving something for one to think about. Sometimes you get the feeling that what you have to say is falling on deaf ears. 😉

IMO Trump can live with the fallout from what he says and IMO Meagan Kelly started off that debate with a shot that didn’t “cross his bow” but smashed it. He seemed to try and take it with an attempt at humor (calling up the Rosie O’Donnell conflict) but Meagan did not let go and expanded her attack. It was awkward to view this exchange and distracting. We heard that conversations took place during the following week - exchanging apologies and “make nice” remarks, but we did not hear that Meagan Kelly was a partaker.

Now that I have bored everyone with my view of the background - I can understand if Trump has decided he would not care to engage in such a spectacle once more with Kelly. As far as his capability of meeting with powerful leaders - this has no bearing. I like Fox News but they are as responsible as the rest of us for what they have to say. A viewer certainly has a right to agree or disagree and participate in conversation with them or not.

Mr. Trump will move forward regardless and we can still watch and see. I look forward to hearing from all the Republican candidates - all together, one of them will get my vote!
 
lax16 said:
I agree that Trump is boorish. I think we should all choose to behave in a civil manner.

People I know can relate to Trump. They talk like he does in the privacy of their own homes.
They shrug it off and say “well, that’s what I was thinking!”

It’s strange to see how far the ideals of the presidency have veered off course. I don’t like it at all. But I would rather have a rude president than a pro-abortion/euthanasia one.

I like Cruz. Not sure how he has been polling lately.
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Had that be the case its a matter of intrinsic evil or perhaps the possibility of something wrong becoming intrinsic evil. All that gets a slow clap from me. Coming down the stretch and it may be Trump found his way into the nomination. WE can’t get Trump to amend his divisive talk now and we should trust he will later? Better than the other alternative?
 
Anthony2112 said:
Kelly was really just a straw man. Trump wanted vets to get some money. Fox in turn issued a childish press release. Trump bolted.

This will turn out to be the least watched debate in this cycle, so I expect Kelly to stay and Roger Ailes to give a heltfy check to the vet group and Trump will show.

The story I heard is from a buddy of mine who works in the campaign. Trump could care less about Kelly. He wants the vets to get some cash.
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If Trumpy wanted money for Vets he could open his wallet and give some with ZERO strings.

Trying to extort Fox into pulling Kelly is just another example of how unfit the man is to be president.
 
lax16 said:
I agree that Trump is boorish. I think we should all choose to behave in a civil manner.

People I know can relate to Trump. They talk like he does in the privacy of their own homes.
They shrug it off and say “well, that’s what I was thinking!”

It’s strange to see how far the ideals of the presidency have veered off course. I don’t like it at all. But I would rather have a rude president than a pro-abortion/euthanasia one.[emphasis added]

I like Cruz. Not sure how he has been polling lately.
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Can agree there. I might choose Trump over Hillary, but I’d be annoyed about it for years. (Hopefully 4 rather than 8.) I’m not sure I trust Trump to be all that strong on pro-life and other issues I care about, but I doubt the other party will put forward anyone better.

But he is certainly not my first choice, and I don’t understand uncritical acceptance of what he says and does.
 
I think its the new technology and people texting sitting next to each other causing the disconnect. Might be adding to the mental health issues. Donald and Hillary obviously are not afflicted but for sure are smart enough to exploit the social phenom.
 
lax16 said:
I agree that Trump is boorish. I think we should all choose to behave in a civil manner.

People I know can relate to Trump. They talk like he does in the privacy of their own homes.
They shrug it off and say “well, that’s what I was thinking!”

It’s strange to see how far the ideals of the presidency have veered off course. I don’t like it at all. But I would rather have a rude president than a pro-abortion/euthanasia one.

I like Cruz. Not sure how he has been polling lately.
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With regard to your comment about the type of president you would rather have, I believe in Trump you will have BOTH a rude president and one who supports pro-choice and euthanasia.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Had that be the case its a matter of intrinsic evil or perhaps the possibility of something wrong becoming intrinsic evil. All that gets a slow clap from me. Coming down the stretch and it may be Trump found his way into the nomination. WE can’t get Trump to amend his divisive talk now and we should trust he will later? Better than the other alternative?
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It took our current president to give the topics of euthanasia and gay marriage so much momentum and give pp so much power. Frankly, I wouldn’t mind a president more focused on running the country and less interested in social engineering.

I noticed Trump seems to have toned down a bit. I wouldn’t be surprised if he continues to use less inflammatory language when he gets so much push back from people that don’t like it.

Better than what alternative? Do you mean Hillary? Yes, I would take rudeness over her agenda any day.
 
It will be interesting when all the chatter is over, here in cyberville, and in the media and people actually go to caucus and vote. 😃

We are doing the same thing as political pundits and analysts. 😃 Projecting.

Looking forward to what happens when it counts. 🙂
 
meltzerboy said:
With regard to your comment about the type of president you would rather have, I believe in Trump you will have BOTH a rude president and one who supports pro-choice and euthanasia.
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Rand Paul would agree with you “most likely” on the truth meter. 😃 Meet the new boss, same as the old.
 
meltzerboy said:
With regard to your comment about the type of president you would rather have, I believe in Trump you will have BOTH a rude president and one who supports pro-choice and euthanasia.
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Interesting. While I believe Trump probably didn’t give much thought to the issues of abortion and euthanasia before deciding to run for president (most busy business people don’t think about it at all) I do believe he is sincere.

Most humans find the killing of those unable to defend themselves to be unacceptable.

So rude, very possibly. Pro-death, no way.
 
jtauke said:
If Trumpy wanted money for Vets he could open his wallet and give some with ZERO strings.

Trying to extort Fox into pulling Kelly is just another example of how unfit the man is to be president.
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Both of your accusations are wrong. Mr. Trump is a generous benefactor to our Wounded Warriors and genuinely an advocate for our Vets.

He is not trying to extort anything but avoiding an unnecessary repeat of “flaming”.
 
lax16 said:
Interesting. While I believe Trump probably didn’t give much thought to the issues of abortion and euthanasia before deciding to run for president (most busy business people don’t think about it at all) I do believe he is sincere.

Most humans find the killing of those unable to defend themselves to be unacceptable.

So rude, very possibly. Pro-death, no way.
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I think many people have been in the WH since Roe vs Wade and have good intentions. Yet we haven’t seen much progress, Trump may not give it much thought after either. I don’t think he would advocate, but really address the issue? I don’t know, Cruz would. But Donald could make a mess with war in the middle east. What if he becomes unruly there? What about this cost of life? I do think his national security stance is leaning toward correct these days as opposed to his initial rhetoric. Yet his language leaves a lot to be desired and is very insulting. Listen when I’m insulted by his language I KNOW those at the end of his comments for sure are. How is that good, to say, well the left perfected the game, is to say two wrongs are right?
 
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