Don't Hate Me. I Am Going To A SSPX This Sunday

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From your article it seems as if the Holy See is using geography to decide who goes to heaven or not. I don’t think I like the article.
Truth is that the Ruthenian Church Sui Iuris, in union, is effectively American; the two exarchates in Europe are separate in almost all ways except ethnicity. As is right and proper in the Eastern Churches.

The article isn’t great, but it is honest.

Truth is that the difference between the Ukrainian, Hungarian, and Georgian churches is pretty negligible, despite the deep social divides between the ethnic groups.
 
Lady go out and get some manners befitting your moniker.

If you feel he is wrong, make a case for why. Telling someone to “go out and read and get your facts straight” has all the charity of telling someone to quit being an idiot.

If you are sick of the lies you have two options: work to educate and make argument for your thinking, or quit coming around.

Either is preferable to the sort of response you just offered.
Glad you are admitting that the lies exist.

As far as my moniker…having piety hasn’t much to do with fighting for the truth in the face of complete collective ignorance. And your insinuating that my posts are lacking in charity is hilarious…just go back and read a few of the doozies for yourself, as well as your own post. That is really quite amusing, but not at all surprising.
 
The problem here is simple.
  1. If your schedule does not allow you to attend an EF mass, there are plenty of NO masses around.
  2. Although the SSPX mass is valid, it is not necessary for any Catholic in communion with Rome to attend as long as you have access to a mass that is in communion with Rome.
  3. The same could be said about attending an Orthodox mass. If you’re looking to worship on the Lord’s Day you take what you can get, as long as it’s in communion with the Peter. If you’re just looking for the external form, you can also go to an Orthdox Church if it’s closer than a SSPX. It’s even more solemn and has an even older tradition.
But I doubt that’s what any faithful Catholic wants. A faithful Catholic may prefer the EF. This is a legitimate preference, but he or she must want to worship God and offer the sacrifice of the mass in communion with Peter.

To prefer the EF so much, that one would go to a schismatic mass to avoid the NO says much about the individual’s love for the form, but little about his or her fidelity to communion with the Roman Catholic Church.

That worries me.

JR :confused:
 
Glad you are admitting that the lies exist.
No such luck. Nice try though.
As far as my moniker…having piety hasn’t much to do with fighting for the truth in the face of complete collective ignorance.
No, but utter lack of charity and piety almost never go hand in hand.
And your insinuating that my posts are lacking in charity is hilarious…just go back and read a few of the doozies for yourself, as well as your own post. That is really quite amusing, but not at all surprising.
No idea what the last sentence means exactly, just sure it is a vague insinuation.

Supposing I concede a lack of charity… Does that then justify your nasty tone? I mean my accusation couldn’t be right if I was not perfect? You would be justified so long as everyone or anyone else who took you to task was guilty of it too?
 
Nothing like letting the Church down when She needs you most. Sounds a bit like the betrayal of Peter.
Hold on a minute…have you forgotten that many, many beautiful and traditional churches which have been demolished, sold off, wreckovated, and destroyed were paid for with the blood sweat and tears of OUR ANCESTORS. I don’t know about yours, but in my diocese, they are still asking for more money to cover the cost of the billions of dollars sexual abuse cases. Not one mea culpa has been offered from Rome, not one apostate bishop has been punished and removed for the years of cover-ups. It is sickening that people turn a blind eye to the truth and continue to pour money into the coffers of the church. Real Catholics would demand the removal of criminal bishops and priests, demand the true doctrines of the faith, and demand that the church restore the traditions as practiced by our ancestors, popes, bishops, priests, martyrs, saints, and doctors of the church for centuries.
 
Hold on a minute…have you forgotten that many, many beautiful and traditional churches which have been demolished, sold off, wreckovated, and destroyed were paid for with the blood sweat and tears of OUR ANCESTORS. I don’t know about yours, but in my diocese, they are still asking for more money to cover the cost of the billions of dollars sexual abuse cases. Not one mea culpa has been offered from Rome, not one apostate bishop has been punished and removed for the years of cover-ups. It is sickening that people turn a blind eye to the truth and continue to pour money into the coffers of the church. Real Catholics would demand the removal of criminal bishops and priests, demand the true doctrines of the faith, and demand that the church restore the traditions as practiced by our ancestors, popes, bishops, priests, martyrs, saints, and doctors of the church for centuries.
they wouldnt have to sell churches if people didnt stop tithing.

and i agree, action should be taken against those at fault, but thats up to the Church Leadership, not the lay people
 
No such luck. Nice try though.

No, but utter lack of charity and piety almost never go hand in hand.

No idea what the last sentence means exactly, just sure it is a vague insinuation.

Supposing I concede a lack of charity… Does that then justify your nasty tone? I mean my accusation couldn’t be right if I was not perfect? You would be justified so long as everyone or anyone else who took you to task was guilty of it too?
My tone isn’t nasty, it is just truthful (albeit, blunt). And the truth hurts sometimes. Stepping back and considering everything, I reach this conclusion: If one is a truly traditional Catholic and posts on this site, get you guns out, because the attacks come from every side and unrelentingly. The SSPX is treated with hatred and venom, lies and untruths about them are the norm. Not a very pretty picture for a Catholic website, is it? But by and large I have hit the nail on the head.
 
they wouldnt have to sell churches if people didnt stop tithing.

and i agree, action should be taken against those at fault, but thats up to the Church Leadership, not the lay people
If you’ll take notice, however, it is never the ugly, sterile, cold, modern churches that get sold off. Ir ia only the old and historic, beautiful and traditional ones.
 
If you’ll take notice, however, it is never the ugly, sterile, cold, modern churches that get sold off. Ir ia only the old and historic, beautiful and traditional ones.
not to sound cold, but its becuase those are the ones worth money. They tend to be bigger, more ornate, and on better land.
 
i dont see a point to that link. what am i missing at this late hour?
 
not to sound cold, but its becuase those are the ones worth money. They tend to be bigger, more ornate, and on better land.
I would be elated to see that monstrosity known as the “Taj Mahoney” sold off, but we’ll never have back all of those many Spanish and early Mission style churches that are long since gone. And all had been paid for by the sweat and tears of innocent and trusting Catholics, who forgot to reject the errors when they began to seep in.
 
i dont see a point to that link. what am i missing at this late hour?
What is not to see? It illustrates the odious and un-Catholic structures that pass for churches these days, and why we need to dump them and preserve the traditional churches.
 
It would be nice if everyone could refrain from calling people liars with no proof but only speculation. It would also be nice if people stopped whining about how mean people are to the SSPX. With the exception of very few on the Traditional forum, this is not the case. We don’t think they’re right but we don’t hate them and, like I said, except for a very small minority that have been banned as of late, this is not true and one would have a tough time proving it. “Truly traditional Catholicism” and the SSPX don’t necessarily go hand in hand. If anyone doesn’t like the overall behavior on this site then I’d suggest not coming here.
 
Hold on a minute…have you forgotten that many, many beautiful and traditional churches which have been demolished, sold off, wreckovated, and destroyed were paid for with the blood sweat and tears of OUR ANCESTORS. I don’t know about yours, but in my diocese, they are still asking for more money to cover the cost of the billions of dollars sexual abuse cases. Not one mea culpa has been offered from Rome, not one apostate bishop has been punished and removed for the years of cover-ups. It is sickening that people turn a blind eye to the truth and continue to pour money into the coffers of the church. Real Catholics would demand the removal of criminal bishops and priests, demand the true doctrines of the faith, and demand that the church restore the traditions as practiced by our ancestors, popes, bishops, priests, martyrs, saints, and doctors of the church for centuries.
You have apostate bishops in your diocese?
 
traditio.com I think is what it is. I was looking at it at lunch today.

I have seen this site quoted here before. Obviously schismatic or near-schismatic.
Ahh good ole Father Morrison & Traditio.com. I was on his mailing list (email) 14ish years ago… What I didn’t know then and what most don’t know or don’t want to talk about know is the little matter of who ordained Father Morrison… And when you find that out, it is hard to understand just how traditional he claims himself to be.

He was ordained - and you can ask him this yourself, but you will just get banned from his mailing list - by a vagante bishop… His orders are doubtful at best and likely dubious.

Morrison could no more be incardinated by one of those “Awful” “novus-ordo type” bishops as a priest of the Catholic Church than my Aunt Suzie.

Neither traditional, nor Catholic, that one!
 
What is not to see? It illustrates the odious and un-Catholic structures that pass for churches these days, and why we need to dump them and preserve the traditional churches.
i never disagreed with you. I simply pointed out why old churches are sold and not new ones.
 
i never disagreed with you. I simply pointed out why old churches are sold and not new ones.
Oh, sorry. I suppose that old churches are worth more and therefore sold, because they are desirable. After all, who would want one of those modern monstrosities?
 
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