Don't Hate Me. I Am Going To A SSPX This Sunday

[Duke_of_Mantua]

Duke,

You could also try the Institute of Christ the King at 8 or 10 AM. It’s not far from downtown so it would be on the way to your 12:30 show.
You could also go to St. John Vianney in Northlake IL at 10AM.

Or St. Mary of Perpetual Help at 8:30AM, again just a few minutes from Millennium Park.

There are many choices for extraordinary form Masses that are not offered by suspended and probably excommunicated priests.

This might work. Thanks!

 

[kathielee]

Have you considered attending one of the 21 Eastern Catholic Churches in Communion with Rome? I think there are a few in the Chicago area. It sure beats going to a Novus Ordo Mass.

Alaha minokhoun
Andrew

An excellent idea. Go to the Byzantine ! I would say one of the other Eastern Rite but I can’t list them…Melkite, Maronite.

 

[kathielee]

An excellent idea. Go to the Byzantine ! I would say one of the other Eastern Rite but I can’t list them…Melkite, Maronite.

There is also the wonderful St. John Cassian in Marytown!

 

[dyspepsic]

Really? How am I encouraging the poster to attend an SSPX Mass when the poster decided at one time or another that he"is going?"

You Novus Ordo folks believe that the barbarians that murdered the archbishop in Iraq a few other days ago “believe in the same, one true God” and are willing to kiss the Koran (some physically, some by word), but Heaven forbide saying something nice about a priest saying Mass in a pious manner. That’s anathema sit.

And the English that committed genocide against my Irish forebears - what religion were they?

St. Patrick, Patron Saint of Ireland, Pray for Us.

 

[Unitas]

This is a schismatic sect. The priest was illicitly ordained.
Who knows what education the priest has. Maybe he doesn’t have the right intention, and the Eucharist is not valid. Just go to the Novus Ordo.

Yet the intentions of a priest that allows abuse after abuse after abuse, his intentions are beyond question? Please.

Oh and about them being schismatic:
Cardinal Hoyos:

Please accept that I reject the term “ecumenism ad intra.” The bishops, priests and faithful of the Society of St Pius X are not schismatics. It is Archbishop Lefebrve who has undertaken an illicit Episcopal consecration and therefore performed a schismatic act. It is for this reason that the Bishops consecrated by him have been suspended and excommunicated. The priests and faithful of the Society have not been excommunicated. They are not heretics.

renewamerica.us/columns/mershon/070410

The SSPX has not founded a separate Church in competition to the Catholic Church, claiming itself to be the only true Church. (coughOrthodoxcough) Therefore they cannot be called schismatic.

Sorry to burst that bubble of yours, I know it’s a popular and convenient stick to spank traditionalists with.

 

[Unitas]

Why do you think that the SSPX Mass is an acceptable choice over the OF?

Why is it not an acceptable choice over the OF?

Msgr. Perl has already said that if you wish to attend an SSPX mass out of your desire for the EF (exactly what the OP said) that it is not a sin, and that masses performed by an SSPX priest fulfills your sunday obligation. I know that’s not what you guys wanna hear, but it’s true.

unavoce.org/articles/2003/perl-011803.htm

All the time we’re accused of judging those that prefer the OF, yet here we’re being interrogated because we prefer the EF. Pot meet kettle. You guys are implying that the OP doesn’t feel the OF is valid when he hasn’t said anything of the sort, then go so far as to imply that the SSPX masses aren’t valid, regardless of what Msgr. Perl said.

If you shouldn’t be judged for your preference, neither should we be judged for ours.

 

[HOPEFUL_IN_UK]

The validity is what I am asking about. I can do without the sarcasm since this is important to me. I want to send a message to the diocese, and maybe Rome, that I want more TLMs offered. By supporting the Novus Ordo, everyone believes everything is fine and no one wants the TLM.

The Archbishop of Glasgow has very kindly spoken at the Una Voce Scotland’s annual general meeting a couple of times. He is clearly not hostile to the TLM. But, when asked by a newspaper about the MP last summer, he pointed out that there wasn’t much interest in it in his diocese, as there are only a couple dozen people there each week.

Meanwhile, about 100 people go to the SSPX Mass, two miles away, at the exact same time.

What I find troubling is the OP’s attitude towards attending a licit NO Mass. He has basically said that he’d go into schism before he’d recognize the authority of the Church. It won’t kill you to attend a Mass that isn’t exactly the way you like it once in a while. It shows humility to do so, and to be willing to recognize that that is Christ on the altar, even if the presentation isn’t too my liking, also requires humility, IMO.

Being willing to go to a NO Mass reassures the bishops that you’re reasonable. If the majority of people who want the TLM are perceived as rebellious schismatics who reject the NO’s validity or will generally cause trouble, nobody is going to bother to make them welcome.

There is a priest shortage. The Church is beset on all sides and has a lot of things to worry about. Giving Her your support and being patient, charitable, and loyal is what is needed.

 

[HOPEFUL_IN_UK]

Yet the intentions of a priest that allows abuse after abuse after abuse, his intentions are beyond question? Please.

Oh and about them being schismatic:

renewamerica.us/columns/mershon/070410

The SSPX has not founded a separate Church in competition to the Catholic Church, claiming itself to be the only true Church. (coughOrthodoxcough) Therefore they cannot be called schismatic.

Sorry to burst that bubble of yours, I know it’s a popular and convenient stick to spank traditionalists with.

Uh… I don’t know. I think we’ll see some interesting things happen within the SSPX. There absolutely are schismatics within that organization. Now that the obstacles are being removed to celebrating the TLM licitly, you’ll see them come into the light. Notice the reaction to the revised Good Friday prayer… the sheep and the goats are beginning to separate over that, already.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

Why is it not an acceptable choice over the OF?

Msgr. Perl has already said that if you wish to attend an SSPX mass out of your desire for the EF (exactly what the OP said) that it is not a sin, and that masses performed by an SSPX priest fulfills your sunday obligation. I know that’s not what you guys wanna hear, but it’s true.

unavoce.org/articles/2003/perl-011803.htm

All the time we’re accused of judging those that prefer the OF, yet here we’re being interrogated because we prefer the EF. Pot meet kettle. You guys are implying that the OP doesn’t feel the OF is valid when he hasn’t said anything of the sort, then go so far as to imply that the SSPX masses aren’t valid, regardless of what Msgr. Perl said.

If you shouldn’t be judged for your preference, neither should we be judged for ours.

I do not believe you are truly following the thread.

OP is facing going to an OF mass because of SCHEDULE issues in order to go to an event with family. The OP is in no way being judged for preference in general but for willingness to go to illicit mass vs a licit one over a SCHEDULE issue.

OP does not give a good reason for going to an ILLICIT mass - simple.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

Uh… I don’t know. I think we’ll see some interesting things happen within the SSPX. There absolutely are schismatics within that organization. Now that the obstacles are being removed to celebrating the TLM licitly, you’ll see them come into the light. Notice the reaction to the revised Good Friday prayer… the sheep and the goats are beginning to separate over that, already.

The OP is looking like a schismatic by this exagerated ‘preference’ for the TLM and preferring a SSPX mass due to schedule conflicts.

 

[palmas85]

No, they don’t baffle me at all. If the Mass is being celebrated in an unintelligible language, by a priest who has his back to me, why would I go. I’m not participating. I’m not part of that, and I have an option not to be part of that.

Congratulations. It is refreshing to see someone who hates the Traditional Mass actually come out and say so rather than trying to hide their disdain as they usually do.

 

[palmas85]

Okay back to the thread topic. No we don’t hate the OP but we have to point out (because his immortal soul is in danger) that if the only Mass the OP attends on a Sunday is an SSPX Mass then he has not fulfilled his Sunday obligation and would be in a state of mortal sin (as they now know its a grave sin and if he goes ahead).

I’m not sure that you are right on this one.

 

[ProVobis]

Just go to the Novus Ordo.

Wouldn’t this be considered cruel and unusual punishment? No one should force one to attend a Latin Mass or a Novus Ordo. It’s not an entrapment game you seem to like to play.

 

[thistle]

I’m not sure that you are right on this one.

You might be right. I can’t find the AAA answer to this. I thought I had it bookmarked. I’m sure Michelle Arnold quoted a Church document about SSPX Mass not fulfilling the Sunday obligation except in some rare instance. I’ll contact her.

 

[ProVobis]

Then how about the Saturday obligation? I did some searching and found that Our Lady Immaculate celebrates the Latin Mass on Saturdays at 6pm. Most interesting.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

You might be right. I can’t find the AAA answer to this. I thought I had it bookmarked. I’m sure Michelle Arnold quoted a Church document about SSPX Mass not fulfilling the Sunday obligation except in some rare instance. I’ll contact her.

I already posted some links to AAA posts - OP said ‘thanks’ but did not seem like the info made a dent.

 

[bear06]

Why is it not an acceptable choice over the OF?

Msgr. Perl has already said that if you wish to attend an SSPX mass out of your desire for the EF (exactly what the OP said) that it is not a sin, and that masses performed by an SSPX priest fulfills your sunday obligation. I know that’s not what you guys wanna hear, but it’s true.

unavoce.org/articles/2003/perl-011803.htm

All the time we’re accused of judging those that prefer the OF, yet here we’re being interrogated because we prefer the EF. Pot meet kettle. You guys are implying that the OP doesn’t feel the OF is valid when he hasn’t said anything of the sort, then go so far as to imply that the SSPX masses aren’t valid, regardless of what Msgr. Perl said.

If you shouldn’t be judged for your preference, neither should we be judged for ours.

Msgr. Perl said a lot but he never said it fufilled the Sunday obligation for everyone. He did specify, however, that this letter was to a specific person in a specific circumstance.

 

[kathielee]

As a Catholic, I would rather attend a Mass that is actually authorized by the Catholic Church.

I’m a Catholic and the Catholic Church authorized the TLM and the NO. If I can’t go to one, I’ll go to the other.

You talk about not wanting to support the Novus Ordo and to be honest this baffles me. Who are you supporting by going to the SSPX mass? You are not supporting the Church I’m a part of.

** ah, but I see others have already spoken out about this **

Chris, I have to agree with you 100%. One person made the point here that if there is no Mass in communion with Rome, then go to any one of the 21 Eastern Rite who are in communion with Rome. I can’t agree more with that, too. It makes much more sense to me to bond with our Eastern Rite, so sorely needed, than to be deliberately going to SSPX when there is choice.

The world really does look at Americans as spoiled and in this case, too, I would agree. For one thing, I have not been to Mass in a year because I have spent 24/7/365 caring for my parents with NO respite. It really irritates me to have someone “dis” a Mass regardless of the language…and to speak ill of the NO. To like a Latin Mass is good. But to follow that up with comments about how awful the NO is, well, prideful at best.

There are people in 3rd world countries who are lucky to see a priest once a month. We have an Archbishop who was murdered in Iraq. I say, going to Mass and picking about what language it’s in is not only prideful but an insult to Jesus. The language is an accident. By any language, it’s not what the Mass can do for us but what we can do for the Holy Trinity.

If I don’t “feel” as uplifted at one Mass or another, it’s not the fault of the language…it’s something in ME that needs to be corrected.

Kathie

 

[kathielee]

We’re all part of the same church, but different people have different preferences. I have an affinity for the Latin Mass and will choose it every time over the NO. In my opinion, they never should have dropped the TLM in the first place. I feel more Catholic now than I ever felt in my entire life. I am not worshipping a Mass; I am worshipping God in THE MASS.

Do those Catholics who refuse to attend Latin Mass baffle you?

Feeling more Catholic by a language probably means that you are looking for something to make you feel instead of concentrating on what you can give. Who would be more Catholic than Trappist monks??

 

[Derbingo]

Yet the intentions of a priest that allows abuse after abuse after abuse, his intentions are beyond question? Please.

Oh and about them being schismatic:

renewamerica.us/columns/mershon/070410

The SSPX has not founded a separate Church in competition to the Catholic Church, claiming itself to be the only true Church. (coughOrthodoxcough) Therefore they cannot be called schismatic.

Sorry to burst that bubble of yours, I know it’s a popular and convenient stick to spank traditionalists with.

All the leaders of SSPX were excommunicated. They formed their own schismatic hierarchy. It is a schismatic sect. There are no bubbles. We pray for them, but other than that they are not our concern. Why are you promoting SSPX on this site?