Don't Hate Me. I Am Going To A SSPX This Sunday

[kathielee]

Talk about Traditional. I have a very traditional Coptic Catholic rite you can attend this weekend, rather than something schismatic.

Tell me about the Coptics…or should that be taken to the Eastern forum. There are absolutely no Eastern Churches around me but I love to learn about my brethren.

 

[palmas85]

The OP can’t slip in under these -

OP suggested it as a way of AVOIDING (rejecting?) a licit, valid mass

there are several other TLM masses offered in the area (but the schedule does not ‘suit’ the OP)

and it is not being done ‘out of curiousity’

I never said the conditions suited the poster. I merely pointed out when attending a SSPX Mass is OK. At least as far as I understand the rules in this area.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

Duke,

Glad I could help!

Stay away from schismatic movements, no good can come of it. Support the traditional Latin Mass in all the “approved” churches!

God bless!

Problem is he would have gone to a schismatic mass and not given a damn about the difference - only caring that it was NOT the OF.

 

[Duke_of_Mantua]

Problem is he would have gone to a schismatic mass and not given a damn about the difference - only caring that it was NOT the OF.

Problem is you only cared about judging me rather than helping me.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

Problem is you only cared about judging me rather than helping me.

I provided you with answers from the apologists here on the site.

Can’t help it that it was not what you were looking for and that you made it quite clear that you would go to a schismatic mass if that was the one that fit your schedule.

 

[piouswoman]

You may certainly assist at an SSPX Holy Mass. As written here:

“By recognizing the plain words of Cardinal Castrillón and Msgr. Perl that the Church allows Catholics to fulfill their Sunday obligation by attending SSPX chapels, if necessary, for our sanctify and peace of mind, we are being obedient sons to the Church and being not “more Catholic than the pope,” but actually living our lives in the heart and soul of the Church.”

And the source:
renewamerica.us/columns/mershon/070410

It is ludicrous that there are so many that continue to perpetuate a lie, even when it has been stated to the contrary by members of the church hierarchy.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

You may certainly assist at an SSPX Holy Mass. As written here:

“By recognizing the plain words of Cardinal Castrillón and Msgr. Perl that the Church allows Catholics to fulfill their Sunday obligation by attending SSPX chapels, if necessary, for our sanctify and peace of mind, we are being obedient sons to the Church and being not “more Catholic than the pope,” but actually living our lives in the heart and soul of the Church.”

And the source:
renewamerica.us/columns/mershon/070410

It is ludicrous that there are so many that continue to perpetuate a lie, even when it has been stated to the contrary by members of the church hierarchy.

Are you saying that such a schedule issue as the OP has falls into that category?

 

[piouswoman]

Are you saying that such a schedule issue as the OP has falls into that category?

I am saying that the OP may assist at an SSPX Holy Mass at any time, any where, and whenever he so desires. I not only say it, but Cardinal Castrillon and Msgr. Perl say it also.

 

[ProVobis]

Can’t help it that it was not what you were looking for and that you made it quite clear that you would go to a schismatic mass if that was the one that fit your schedule.

Maybe it’s none of my business but don’t you think that’s a rather unfair shot? The OP stated that he normally attends a Church-approved Mass when most Catholics are probably eating lunch or spending time with friends or watching sports. I don’t know of too many Novus Ordo churches where the 12:30 pm is the most popular Mass, do you?

 

[bear06]

You may certainly assist at an SSPX Holy Mass. As written here:

“By recognizing the plain words of Cardinal Castrillón and Msgr. Perl that the Church allows Catholics to fulfill their Sunday obligation by attending SSPX chapels, if necessary, for our sanctify and peace of mind, we are being obedient sons to the Church and being not “more Catholic than the pope,” but actually living our lives in the heart and soul of the Church.”

And the source:
renewamerica.us/columns/mershon/070410

It is ludicrous that there are so many that continue to perpetuate a lie, even when it has been stated to the contrary by members of the church hierarchy.

The plain words of Cardinal Castrillon-Hoyos that were official Church teaching that said that the SSPX Mass fulfills the Sunday obligation for all? I must have missed that one. Since Brian Mershon is nether the Holy See or Cardinal Castrillon-Hoyos, his ruling is far from being the ruling of the Church.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

Don’t you think that’s a rather unfair shot? The OP stated that he normally attends a Church-approved Mass when most Catholics are probably eating lunch or spending time with friends or watching sports? I don’t know of too many Novus Ordo churches where the 12:30 pm is the most popular Mass, do you?

Unfair shot?

An outright rejection of the OF???

Considering going to SSPX mass exactly because it is not the OF???

OP has no valid reason to be so very rigid - rigid to the point where he openly rejects the OF. At least not and be in union with Rome.

 

[bear06]

I am saying that the OP may assist at an SSPX Holy Mass at any time, any where, and whenever he so desires. I not only say it, but Cardinal Castrillon and Msgr. Perl say it also.

Actually that’s not true. First of all, he may assist out of attachment. No other reasons have been approved. Next, neither Castrillon-Hoyos nor Perl said that it fulfills the Sunday obligation for all. No matter how hard you all try, no teaching can be supplied that says one can do so.

 

[piouswoman]

The plain words of Cardinal Castrillon-Hoyos that were official Church teaching that said that the SSPX Mass fulfills the Sunday obligation for all? I must have missed that one. Since Brian Mershon is nether the Holy See or Cardinal Castrillon-Hoyos, his ruling is far from being the ruling of the Church.

You missed it. For your edification:

“Darío Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos has repeatedly affirmed that the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) is not a case of formal schism on at least five separate occasions in public interviews, as recently as March 17 and over the past 2-1/2 years. Msgr. Camille Perl, long-time secretary for the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei (PCED), has repeatedly affirmed in personal letters that such Catholics incur no penalty and no sin for merely fulfilling one’s Sunday obligation at a church or chapel served by the SSPX.”

Let’s not confuse a reporters presented facts with what you falsely call a reporters “ruling”. That is disingenuous.

 

[ProVobis]

OP has no valid reason to be so very rigid - rigid to the point where he openly rejects the OF. At least not and be in union with Rome.

Then you must have a problem with Cardinal Ratzinger’s criticisms of the New Mass as well, calling it a fabrication, etc. I guess he must not be in union with Rome either.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

Then you must have a problem with Cardinal Ratzinger’s criticisms of the New Mass as well, calling it a fabrication, etc. I guess he must not be in union with Rome either.

Are you following the thread or just seeing TLM and everything has to be ok and good??

When did Ratzinger/B16 opt to offer or go to an SSPX mass in order to avoid saying/going to an OF one?? THAT is what the OP is talking about doing.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

You missed it. For your edification:

“Darío Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos has repeatedly affirmed that the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) is not a case of formal schism on at least five separate occasions in public interviews, as recently as March 17 and over the past 2-1/2 years. Msgr. Camille Perl, long-time secretary for the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei (PCED), has repeatedly affirmed in personal letters that such Catholics incur no penalty and no sin for merely fulfilling one’s Sunday obligation at a church or chapel served by the SSPX.”

Let’s not confuse a reporters presented facts with what you falsely call a reporters “ruling”. That is disingenuous.

So does it count as OK that the OP wanted to do this as a visible and outright rejection of the OF?

 

[Madaglan]

Originally Posted by ProVobis:

Then you must have a problem with Cardinal Ratzinger’s criticisms of the New Mass as well, calling it a fabrication, etc. I guess he must not be in union with Rome either.

Not in communion with Rome of the first thousand years of Christendom, most assuredly.

 

[piouswoman]

So does it count as OK that the OP wanted to do this as a visible and outright rejection of the OF?

If the OP feels that for the salvation of his/her own soul, that he/she cannot assist at the OF, yes, it would count. Do you have a problem with that?

 

[Eilish_Maura]

If the OP feels that for the salvation of his/her own soul, that he/she cannot assist at the OF, yes, it would count. Do you have a problem with that?

Not if such a person can be honest enough to admit to being a schismatic.

Let’s face facts here - how could assisting at the OF be detrimental to the salvation of anyone’s soul??

 

[piouswoman]

Not if such a person can be honest enough to admit to being a schismatic.

Let’s face facts here - how could assisting at the OF be detrimental to the salvation of anyone’s soul??

Oh well now…I don’t know…why don’t you ask the thousands of traditionalists out there, who have been fighting for the faith for the last forty years? I am sick, sick, sick to death of the continual false accusations of “schismatic” being applied to the SSPX…why don’t you be honest and apply it to the true schismatics?