Don't Hate Me. I Am Going To A SSPX This Sunday

[ProVobis]

Let’s face facts here - how could assisting at the OF be detrimental to the salvation of anyone’s soul??

Is this some kind of loaded question? You have to be kidding, of course. If one sees sacrilege, open defiance, intentional distractions, scandal, attacks against his own faith, and (other) occasions of sin, then he or she has an obligation to avoid them. Or do we believe it is not possible to commit sins in Church anymore?

 

[piouswoman]

Not if such a person can be honest enough to admit to being a schismatic.

Let’s face facts here - how could assisting at the OF be detrimental to the salvation of anyone’s soul??

Just wondering…what does your by-line “scouting IS youth ministry” mean exactly? What is youth ministry? What does it have to do with Catholicism? Why aren’t PARENTS seeing to the salvation of their children’s souls, by seeing that they are properly catechized and giving them the security and safety of a fully Catholic upbringing and homelife? Do you imply that “scouting” is some sort of faith? Shouldn’t your by-line be “traditional Catholicism and traditional family structure IS ministering to the salvation of the souls of youth”?

 

[ProVobis]

Not in communion with Rome of the first thousand years of Christendom, most assuredly.

But then Rome was not always at the center of Christendom either.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

Is this some kind of loaded question? You have to be kidding, of course. If one sees sacrilege, open defiance, intentional distractions, scandal, attacks against his own faith, and (other) occasions of sin, then he or she has an obligation to avoid them. Or do we believe it is not possible to commit sins in Church anymore?

Are you saying all parishes where the OF is offered has all those problems going on?

Or is that red herring only pulled out when justifying rejecting the OF out of hand?

 

[Eilish_Maura]

Oh well now…I don’t know…why don’t you ask the thousands of traditionalists out there, who have been fighting for the faith for the last forty years? I am sick, sick, sick to death of the continual false accusations of “schismatic” being applied to the SSPX…why don’t you be honest and apply it to the true schismatics?

Rejecting the OF so casually fits with the Pope’s MP (or anything else in line with Rome)?

 

[piouswoman]

Rejecting the OF so casually fits with the Pope’s MP (or anything else in line with Rome)?

What is casual about forty plus years of fighting for the true faith?

 

[Mickey_Jackson]

My wife bought us and my daughter tickets to a kids’ concert at the Harris Theatre at Millennium Park for 12:30pm, the same time I attend the TLM at Holy Angels in Aurora, IL.

I investigated times around Chicago and Our Lady Immaculate in Oak Park offers a 10am Mass. That’s my best bet.

I have gone to every Latin Mass in Aurora since it was offered and I refuse to miss a Sunday. Unfortunately, I have been spoiled and I refuse to attend a Novus Ordo. I don’t want to return to the same rut I was in. The Latin Mass breathed new life into my faith.

I know people here frown on SSPX but I am making a big mistake if I go to just one Mass?

I most certainly do not hate you, but it is only fair to tell you that to knowingly attend an illicit Mass (and no matter what the SSPX will tell you, every one of their Masses is illicit) is a mortal sin. Furthermore, if your confession is heard by an SSPX priest, the confession is not only illicit, but invalid.

For these reasons, the SSPX has endangered the souls of countless faithful Catholics. Do you really want to ignore this fact?

No matter how much you may dislike the Novus Ordo, it is a valid and licit rite of the Catholic Church, which means that it is the True Mass. You only fulfill your Sunday obligation with the SSPX if there is no other Catholic Mass nearby. The fact that you prefer one rite over another is NOT an excuse to patronize their chapels.

 

[latin_rite]

Valid is one thing. Licitness is another and fulfilling the Sunday obligation is a whole other issue.

Well if its valid it’s legal. And I’m sure those who do go to a sspx mass feel fulfulled.

 

[Mickey_Jackson]

Well if its valid it’s legal. And I’m sure those who do go to a sspx mass feel fulfulled.

The people who go to Lutheran services “feel” fulfilled. The people who go to Episcopal services “feel” fulfilled. Muslims, Jews, and pagans “feel” fulfilled every time they attend one of their services. And yet none of these services would fulfill the Sunday obligation for a Catholic.

As for “if it’s valid it’s legal,” the Masses celebrated in the Orthodox Churches are valid. A Mass celebrated by an excommunicated “liberation theology” priest is valid. But absolutely NO Mass celebrated by a priest not in Communion with Rome is legal. It’s canon law; look it up.

 

[Mickey_Jackson]

Even better: the Masses celebrated by that priest up in Montana who thinks he’s Pope Pius XIII are valid. Do you honestly think that the Church would approve your attendance at one of his Masses? Do you think Christ would?

 

[HOPEFUL_IN_UK]

If the OP feels that for the salvation of his/her own soul, that he/she cannot assist at the OF, yes, it would count. Do you have a problem with that?

Um… yeah. For someone to say that, it would mean they think the NO isn’t valid. If you think that, you’re not really in union with Rome.

 

[HOPEFUL_IN_UK]

Oh well now…I don’t know…why don’t you ask the thousands of traditionalists out there, who have been fighting for the faith for the last forty years? I am sick, sick, sick to death of the continual false accusations of “schismatic” being applied to the SSPX…why don’t you be honest and apply it to the true schismatics?

If you think that you CANNOT attend a NO Mass, for the salvation of your own soul… you’re schismatic.

 

[latin_rite]

The people who go to Lutheran services “feel” fulfilled. The people who go to Episcopal services “feel” fulfilled. Muslims, Jews, and pagans “feel” fulfilled every time they attend one of their services. And yet none of these services would fulfill the Sunday obligation for a Catholic.

As for “if it’s valid it’s legal,” the Masses celebrated in the Orthodox Churches are valid. A Mass celebrated by an excommunicated “liberation theology” priest is valid. But absolutely NO Mass celebrated by a priest not in Communion with Rome is legal. It’s canon law; look it up.

I’m sure those who go to those services do feel fulfilled. But they lack a valid mass. so if i was to go to one of those services wouldn’t feel fulfilled as a catholic because they lack a valid mass. But the sspx mass is valid. Hence its legit. Hence it’s legal. If it isn’t then why does the church say it is? who is lying?
Really if you look at it. you’re guilty of doing the same thing you accuse them off.

 

[HOPEFUL_IN_UK]

The Orthodox church has valid sacraments. We don’t fill our Sunday obligation by going to them, either. I think we can go if that’s the ONLY option for receiving the sacraments at all. Like, if you’re living in the heart of Russia with no Catholic Churches you can get to at all. And, I’m not sure the Orthodox will have us.

 

[Like]

What is casual about forty plus years of fighting for the true faith?

So, your saying,“The last 40 years has been the FALSE Faith”?

Is there anyone here who thinks the OP is asking for advise with the title of his thread “I Am Going To A SSPX This Sunday”.
Sure looks to me like his mind was already made up.
Hey Duke, Why chance it, go to a OF Mass if no EF works with your entertainment plans? BTW, I’m a traditionalist, but not a** radical traditionalist.** There is a difference!
Duke, you think you got it tough, I gotta hop a plane in order to attend a EF!

 

[Aramis]

I’m sure those who go to those services do feel fulfilled. But they lack a valid mass. so if i was to go to one of those services wouldn’t feel fulfilled as a catholic because they lack a valid mass. But the sspx mass is valid. Hence its legit. Hence it’s legal. If it isn’t then why does the church say it is? who is lying?
Really if you look at it. you’re guilty of doing the same thing you accuse them off.

LR:
You’re confusing Validity with Licity. An example in mundania.

It is valid to drive 90miles an hour to get to work; it will get you there. It isn’t licit to do so, however, as the highway speed limit is 65 in most places.
It is licit but not valid to hop in a plane and fly along the same highway.

Valid means, in the context of mass: The celebrant has been ordained and can trace back to the apostles his chain of ordination, the anaphora is said correctly and with correct intent, and the gifts offered are correct in form and matter.

Licit means, in the context of mass: offered by a priest who is shriven recently and not suspended, in the correct place, at a proper time, by the correct missal, with the faithful present, commemorating the pope, saying the anaphoras correctly, and not teaching heresey in the homily.

The SSPX are valid; they meet the barest essentials. But they ceased being licit when they reelected Lefebvre.

 

[Unitas]

Msgr. Perl said a lot but he never said it fufilled the Sunday obligation for everyone. He did specify, however, that this letter was to a specific person in a specific circumstance.

He said it fulfills the sunday obligation and is not a sin if a person merely desires the EF, and not to attend an SSPX mass becuase they think the SSPX is the true Church and not the Catholic Church.

Sounds pretty straight-forward to me.

 

[Unitas]

All the leaders of SSPX were excommunicated. They formed their own schismatic hierarchy. It is a schismatic sect. There are no bubbles. We pray for them, but other than that they are not our concern. Why are you promoting SSPX on this site?

So is Cardinal Hoyos wrong?

Silly me to think that a Cardinal who was hand-picked and whose job it is to deal with the SSPX would know more about the situation than an anonymous lay-person on the internet…

I’m not promoting the SSPX, I’m merely combating the lies coming from those with zero authority with the inconvenient words of those with authority and have much more knowledge of the situation than you do. Say anything you want about the SSPX, it doesn’t make it true.

Why do you remain in defiance of those in the Catholic heirarchy? Doesn’t that make you no better than Lefebvre?

 

[Unitas]

Believe the Pope. He has excommunicated the SSPX. They are of the same status as Lutherans and Calvinists, at present.

The Pope excommunicated 5 members of the SSPX. 5.

The Calvinists and Lutherans are schismatic heretics. Cardinal Hoyos has said that the SSPX are neither. Forgive me for deferring my judgement to a Cardinal who deal directly with the SSPX and not to you.

 

[Unitas]

The plain words of Cardinal Castrillon-Hoyos that were official Church teaching that said that the SSPX Mass fulfills the Sunday obligation for all? I must have missed that one. Since Brian Mershon is nether the Holy See or Cardinal Castrillon-Hoyos, his ruling is far from being the ruling of the Church.

We’re discussing Cardinal Hoyos’ words, not the commentary or lack of authority of the author of the article. Ad-hominems are not evidence.