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Hope_Philomena
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I was unaware that Justice Ginsberg spoke for the character of every democrat.
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Ridgerunner
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No, she doesn’t. But she’s still the Dem appointee and no Dem of whom I am aware is calling for her resignation, or ever did. Given the outrage now expressed by Dems over Moore, one would have thought they would have. So, one cannot know what the general run of Dem character is, other than when it comes to abortion, and we are reminded about that every time they vote.I was unaware that Justice Ginsberg spoke for the character of every democrat.
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Hope_Philomena
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Pointing out the flaws in the democratic party does not absolve the republican party of their flaws. Both are equally corrupt, in my book.
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Rhubarb
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Don’t assuage yourselves by telling anyone you wanted Moore because he’s pro-life. Moore would have never been in a position to stop abortions in Alabama or the country. If he was then it would have happened under the incumbent. Saying you’re going to vote for Moore because he’s the pro-life choice is like saying you’re taking your cruise in the Atlantic because you can come across the Lost City of Atlantis -, it isn’t going to happen one way or the other. The same thing with same sex marriage.
But there WERE Christian issues on the table - the treatment of the poor, the tax bill, mistreatment of immigrants… Things that Moore did not align with the USCCB. But I’m sure your consciences are clean after all the horrible things Moore supported regarding the least of Christ’s brothers THAT WERE IN PLAY. (Caps for emphasis, not shouting). Oh, also Moore is a predator of children. That too. The local JC Penny’s judgement on the matter is enough for any sane person to think he’s a creep and a danger to be around.
But there WERE Christian issues on the table - the treatment of the poor, the tax bill, mistreatment of immigrants… Things that Moore did not align with the USCCB. But I’m sure your consciences are clean after all the horrible things Moore supported regarding the least of Christ’s brothers THAT WERE IN PLAY. (Caps for emphasis, not shouting). Oh, also Moore is a predator of children. That too. The local JC Penny’s judgement on the matter is enough for any sane person to think he’s a creep and a danger to be around.
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Find a well known neutral party that will confirm that.Remarkable that it’s “well known” that the bill favors the rich, given that the final version is still in flux.
Sorry, I was mixing this up with Trump’s exaggerated claims from the campaign. Straight from the BLS website:And the U-6 “real” unemployment rate does not count any of the people you say it does other than possibly those who have stopped looking for work. If it’s now at 7.9%, that’s about two points lower than it was a year and a half ago.
“Total unemployed, plus all marginally attached workers plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of all civilian labor force plus all marginally attached workers”
Basically those who are unemployed, underemployed, or people with irregular income.
The positive job picture and growing economy is something he inherited from Obama…vs Obama inheriting the financial crash of 2008. Thing is the US is on one of it’s greatest runs of economic growth, that started a long time ago well within Obama’s terms. So, I’m not buying that this “Trump” effect is anything.I genuinely believe that the “Trump rally” in employment and investment is more due to Obama not being in office than it is in Trump being in office.
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ChunkMonk
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But the result in Alabama was inarguably due to Republicans not supporting the nominee, it had nothing to do with swing-voters.Trump is going to make it much harder to grab swing voters
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ChunkMonk
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I think most people understand the difference between a six year old and a fourteen year old.
The resident atheist already admitted it was all political. The reason they dressed it up was so they could enrage themselves even further, which is yet more evidence that the allegation, by itself, was not sufficient. The smear only works if you go all the way with it.
The resident atheist already admitted it was all political. The reason they dressed it up was so they could enrage themselves even further, which is yet more evidence that the allegation, by itself, was not sufficient. The smear only works if you go all the way with it.
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I never said it was all political. The allegations were numerous and credible, which is why Doug Jones is going to Washington.
And do tell us more about how sexually assaulting 14 year olds is so very different from sexually assaulting 8 year olds. Do you have some chart you consult to find out just how bad a sexual interactions is based on age?
I can’t even sort out why anyone is still bothering to support Moore or grant some implied level of approval to what he is accused of.
And do tell us more about how sexually assaulting 14 year olds is so very different from sexually assaulting 8 year olds. Do you have some chart you consult to find out just how bad a sexual interactions is based on age?
I can’t even sort out why anyone is still bothering to support Moore or grant some implied level of approval to what he is accused of.
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The Fed also hiked interest rates today and since the market didn’t react negatively, more hikes should be expected. At some point the market will react negatively.
The other side of the coin says that more mergers are on the way at the current low interest rate environment. Higher interest rates may discourage that and save some jobs.
The other side of the coin says that more mergers are on the way at the current low interest rate environment. Higher interest rates may discourage that and save some jobs.
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ChunkMonk
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You said it was the “gift that will keep on giving” and then have explicitly said twice that there is no reason to defend him because he already lost the election. That betrays the obvious feeling: the reason the allegations matter to you is their political value. You’ve projected your own partisanship onto your opponents, and so can’t imagine why they would continue to defend after there is no more political value in doing so.
There is a clear and important difference between pedophilia and ephebophelia. You won’t find a credible psychologist that claims there isn’t a difference. My interest in establishing that has nothing to do with Roy Moore at all, but just an interest in accuracy. I said nothing about which is worse. I think one could argue that pedophilia is worse, but that’s not a very high bar to overcome lol.
No one is granting approval to what he is accused of doing. Some people are defending him, but they are doing so under the assumption that he is not guilty of the sexual assault. Basically, the allegations were incredible, as evidenced by the fact that you yourself admit their truth or falsity is unimportant, but only their political value.
There is a clear and important difference between pedophilia and ephebophelia. You won’t find a credible psychologist that claims there isn’t a difference. My interest in establishing that has nothing to do with Roy Moore at all, but just an interest in accuracy. I said nothing about which is worse. I think one could argue that pedophilia is worse, but that’s not a very high bar to overcome lol.
No one is granting approval to what he is accused of doing. Some people are defending him, but they are doing so under the assumption that he is not guilty of the sexual assault. Basically, the allegations were incredible, as evidenced by the fact that you yourself admit their truth or falsity is unimportant, but only their political value.
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Hope_Philomena
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I have the sneaking suspicion you wouldn’t be as interested in accuracy if Bill Clinton or Al Franken, for instance, had been accused of molesting a 14 year old.My interest in establishing that has nothing to do with Roy Moore at all, but just an interest in accuracy.
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ChunkMonk
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I wouldn’t call them child molesters if that is what you’re implying. I would say they were awful, sick human beings who have engaged in a terrible evil… But I wouldn’t make up extra things.
Of course, if the allegations were weak and had no corraberating evidence (currently impossible as both are proven sexual predators who associate with sexual predators, in Clinton’s case a cpnvocted pedophile) and obviously politically motovated then I would express doubt along with my interest in accuracy.
Let’s say Obama was accused of taking a gun and murdering someone with his own hands. I would probably disbelieve that. I think he’s a horrible person and a traitor, but that particular allegation would be incredible unless supported with corroborating evidence.
Of course, if the allegations were weak and had no corraberating evidence (currently impossible as both are proven sexual predators who associate with sexual predators, in Clinton’s case a cpnvocted pedophile) and obviously politically motovated then I would express doubt along with my interest in accuracy.
Let’s say Obama was accused of taking a gun and murdering someone with his own hands. I would probably disbelieve that. I think he’s a horrible person and a traitor, but that particular allegation would be incredible unless supported with corroborating evidence.
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Not everyone measures everything by the dollar bill. Some consider other things to be important-- things like integrity. Decency. Care for the poor. Respect for others as fellow human beings. You know, all that inconvenient stuff Jesus taught. But hey, stick to your stock market instead.The DOW hit another record high today, so not everybody agrees with the “total disaster” view of Trump. How many historic highs does that make so far? Isn’t it seventy-something? Do you really think the Wall Streeters are “mindless”?
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ChunkMonk
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Abortion is so decent.
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ThinkingSapien
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I think that the only things most are trying to communacate is that a sexual line was cross with a minor and that they find the accusation to be vile.I think most people understand the difference between a six year old and a fourteen year old.
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HCTC
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In a reply to me on another topic you posted to me the following:
“Lugenpresse go home!”
The phrase “Lugenpresse” means “lying press.” It “rose to infamy during the Nazi era and was resurrected in 2014 as a watchword with Germany’s anti-immigrant activists who wanted the media to “tell the truth” about refugees in their country—most of whom were Muslim refugees fleeing from war-torn areas caught in the middle of the ISIS conflict. Now, Lügenpresse has traveled across the ocean to Trump rallies and social media posts from Trump’s legion of alt right supporters.”
Are you one of the “legion” of alt right media posters? If that is who you are, I question your motivation in being here; and I question the intention of your comments regarding the issue of abortion.
“Lugenpresse go home!”
The phrase “Lugenpresse” means “lying press.” It “rose to infamy during the Nazi era and was resurrected in 2014 as a watchword with Germany’s anti-immigrant activists who wanted the media to “tell the truth” about refugees in their country—most of whom were Muslim refugees fleeing from war-torn areas caught in the middle of the ISIS conflict. Now, Lügenpresse has traveled across the ocean to Trump rallies and social media posts from Trump’s legion of alt right supporters.”
Are you one of the “legion” of alt right media posters? If that is who you are, I question your motivation in being here; and I question the intention of your comments regarding the issue of abortion.
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I think the alt-right is hilarious and they really do have the best memes, but I also think they are largely ineffective and some of the positions they hold are obviously wrong.
But I also think your average alt-right racist is no worse, morally speaking, than your average Democrat. Society says racism and anti-semitism are extra-super bad and pro-abortion is just another acceptable position, but I see them both as inherently evil and destructive philosophies.
Which is also why I am not afraid of saying “lugenpresse” about the media. Because to me, they are standing right next to the Nazis when it comes to the struggle between good vs evil. So with that one phrase, I manage to insult both. The Nazis hate me for comparing them to the “Jew media” and the Left hates me for comparing them to Goebbals.
It’s like this Roy Moore thing. If someone said:
“Well, even if Roy Moore raped a 14-year old I’m still gonna vote for him.”
Evryone would have a conniption fit. But when millions of people say:
“Well, even if Doug Jones actively supports the murder of tens of millions of innocent human beings, I’m still gonna vote for him.”
Those same people just shrug and think that’s perfectly fine.
And then they have the gall to question MY morals amd motivations. It would make me weep if it weren’t so danged hilarious.
But I also think your average alt-right racist is no worse, morally speaking, than your average Democrat. Society says racism and anti-semitism are extra-super bad and pro-abortion is just another acceptable position, but I see them both as inherently evil and destructive philosophies.
Which is also why I am not afraid of saying “lugenpresse” about the media. Because to me, they are standing right next to the Nazis when it comes to the struggle between good vs evil. So with that one phrase, I manage to insult both. The Nazis hate me for comparing them to the “Jew media” and the Left hates me for comparing them to Goebbals.
It’s like this Roy Moore thing. If someone said:
“Well, even if Roy Moore raped a 14-year old I’m still gonna vote for him.”
Evryone would have a conniption fit. But when millions of people say:
“Well, even if Doug Jones actively supports the murder of tens of millions of innocent human beings, I’m still gonna vote for him.”
Those same people just shrug and think that’s perfectly fine.
And then they have the gall to question MY morals amd motivations. It would make me weep if it weren’t so danged hilarious.
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HCTC
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Your comment only obfuscates who you are. So now I will take this opportunity to repost a previous comment of mine so as to tell you who I am:
One of the more impactful gifts that flow from the Lord God Almighty is the gift of Faith. As a “cradle” Catholic on the cusp of my seventh decade, I have some beliefs that have formed over the years as a result of the gift of Faith along with consistent prayer and my unworthy struggle to behave in such a way that my behavior is a reflection of God’s Love, His Peace. and His Will.
I believe that procreation is a gift from God, and my Faith informs me that to reject that gift by terminating a pregnancy offends God.
Another gift from God is Freewill. It is interesting to me that the Lord God Almighty sought out the Virgin Mary’s consent to make her the Mother of God. It is true that the Lord already knew her heart, so why seek her consent? I believe that the answer to that question is that He wanted to demonstrate to us, His followers, that we in all matters exercise Freewill. God wants us to do His Will out of love, not through force.
I do not believe that it is God’s Will that the U.S. government impose Faith beliefs. There is, however, the issue of murder. At what point does the development of a collection cells grow into a human being? This is not related to Faith. According to my Faith, this is a moot question because fully human or not, procreation is a Gift from God, and to reject that gift is an offense to God. However, because (1) the democracy that we so enjoy is founded on having a vast and diverse nation and (2) Freewill is an integral part of my Faith; I can accept from my government a definition of when life begins as being related to survival outside the womb. Taking a “morning after” pill may or may not be a sin, but I am pretty sure that the sin is not murder.
God has given us many, many gifts - not the least among them is the Earth, the air, the water, the animals, the plants. He created all of this for us to enjoy, but not to abuse. I believe that when we fail in our stewardship of the natural resources entrusted to us, God is just as offended as He is when we reject procreation.
Last but not least, God gave us Jesus Christ; and He gave us each other. Christ admonishes us: “Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me” (Matthew 25:40, 45, NIV). How we treat children, the elderly, the poor, the immigrant, the stranger, the homeless - either offends or pleases God just as much as the way in which we treat the gift of procreation.
Peace be with you.
One of the more impactful gifts that flow from the Lord God Almighty is the gift of Faith. As a “cradle” Catholic on the cusp of my seventh decade, I have some beliefs that have formed over the years as a result of the gift of Faith along with consistent prayer and my unworthy struggle to behave in such a way that my behavior is a reflection of God’s Love, His Peace. and His Will.
I believe that procreation is a gift from God, and my Faith informs me that to reject that gift by terminating a pregnancy offends God.
Another gift from God is Freewill. It is interesting to me that the Lord God Almighty sought out the Virgin Mary’s consent to make her the Mother of God. It is true that the Lord already knew her heart, so why seek her consent? I believe that the answer to that question is that He wanted to demonstrate to us, His followers, that we in all matters exercise Freewill. God wants us to do His Will out of love, not through force.
I do not believe that it is God’s Will that the U.S. government impose Faith beliefs. There is, however, the issue of murder. At what point does the development of a collection cells grow into a human being? This is not related to Faith. According to my Faith, this is a moot question because fully human or not, procreation is a Gift from God, and to reject that gift is an offense to God. However, because (1) the democracy that we so enjoy is founded on having a vast and diverse nation and (2) Freewill is an integral part of my Faith; I can accept from my government a definition of when life begins as being related to survival outside the womb. Taking a “morning after” pill may or may not be a sin, but I am pretty sure that the sin is not murder.
God has given us many, many gifts - not the least among them is the Earth, the air, the water, the animals, the plants. He created all of this for us to enjoy, but not to abuse. I believe that when we fail in our stewardship of the natural resources entrusted to us, God is just as offended as He is when we reject procreation.
Last but not least, God gave us Jesus Christ; and He gave us each other. Christ admonishes us: “Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me” (Matthew 25:40, 45, NIV). How we treat children, the elderly, the poor, the immigrant, the stranger, the homeless - either offends or pleases God just as much as the way in which we treat the gift of procreation.
Peace be with you.
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ChunkMonk
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Well, I absolutely disagree. When ensoulment occurs is definitely an article of Faith and the Church has been absolutely clear that it happens at conception. Any person who says otherwise is simply wrong.
The intentional and unjust killing of an innocent human being is murder. Whether the government says otherwise is irrelevant.
Also irrelevant is your opunion that God loves trees and birds as much as he loves Man. Jesus Christ explicitly said that each and every man is loved by God more than any other creature. So the murder of a fellow human being is a far greater sin than the abuse of any other creature.
Abuse of children, elderly, poor, sick, etc are all sins against fellow men, and constitute grave evil. Murder of any one of the aforementioned people is the highest level of abuse, and therefore is an even graver evil than other forms of abuse.
As a Catholic, we are not free to say ensoulemt does not occur at conception any more than we are free to say ensoulment is exclusive to any one race.
The intentional and unjust killing of an innocent human being is murder. Whether the government says otherwise is irrelevant.
Also irrelevant is your opunion that God loves trees and birds as much as he loves Man. Jesus Christ explicitly said that each and every man is loved by God more than any other creature. So the murder of a fellow human being is a far greater sin than the abuse of any other creature.
Abuse of children, elderly, poor, sick, etc are all sins against fellow men, and constitute grave evil. Murder of any one of the aforementioned people is the highest level of abuse, and therefore is an even graver evil than other forms of abuse.
As a Catholic, we are not free to say ensoulemt does not occur at conception any more than we are free to say ensoulment is exclusive to any one race.
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HCTC
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You should reread my comment. I did not write anything about God’s love of trees and animals nor did I compare them to God’s love of man. I did not dispute ensoulment at conception.
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