Duggar Interview

[Memaw]

Megan Kelly giving an incomplete and misleading statistic doesn’t make her right. In cases of incestuous child sex abuse, the recidivism rate among boys who are caught soon after the abuse begins and receive immediate professional counseling is 8-12%. The longer it goes on, the more victims there are, and the longer they go without valid counseling, the recidivism rate goes up to the point that there’s no difference between them and other child molesters. So what Megan Kelly said was utterly untrue about Josh’s situation.

Plus, I assure you that your argument that this wasn’t incest wouldn’t fly in a court of law.

And you know all this for sure, then why are you wasting your time here, you should be a lawyer, she is.!! God Bless, Memaw

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

You do have an axe to grind. I love your adjectives!!! (remember they are YOUR’S, not mine). Why are you soooo troubled because I believe in repentance and forgiveness? I’m not judging Josh or you but how do you know he didn’t repent or wasn’t forgiven. and yes one can be forgiven by God even without the Sacrament. The Catholic Church teaches that, just in case you didn’t know! There is NO need for repentance if one hasn’t done anything to repent!! Like I said, dragging in these lets pretend stories serves NO purpose. The parents of my grandkids can read ANYTHING I write, they all know my password. In fact two of them are my “computer experts.” and know more about my computer than I do. God Bless, Memaw

Why are you soooo troubled because I believe in repentance and forgiveness?

1. I am not troubled that you believe that. I am a Catholic, repentance and forgiveness are part of the deepest part of my being. You are however, showing no understanding of what repentance and forgiveness are in a Catholic context.
2. I am troubled by it because in a serious matter you have no evidence to base that on.

I’m not judging Josh or you but how do you know he didn’t repent or wasn’t forgiven.

I don’t know, and I pray he was!
But that has nothing to do with the consequences of his actions. Nor should it have anything to do with how he is treated. We are dealing entirely with a person who has gone outside of every conventional thing and then you are assuming every thing came out great. He went outside of the Church for forgiveness, Possible but hard. He went outside of the society and trained professionals for help and counseling. Possible but hard. And his lie earned him money and fame for years…

Memaw. If Josh was a member of your parish and watched kids for a parents night out and you knew of his past with molestation of siblings, would you want your grandkids to be alone with him? Would you support him opening Josh’s Daycare for a living?

If you believe he is cured, and forgiven, if you truly believe what you type, this question is not hard to answer at all.

Or if you prefer…

Should Josh be allowed to care for children that are not his own unsupervised?

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

And you know all this for sure, then why are you wasting your time here, you should be a lawyer, she is.!! God Bless, Memaw

Well if anyone should be any part of the legal system here it is perhaps you, being a defendant’s dream Juror…

But in reality, what do you think should be done to protect children?

 

[Xantippe]

Show me the “facts” where Josh has don’t anything since this incident was reported to the police and he received counseling!!! I don’t need to bring in overly exaggerated pretend stories to compare with this situation just to make a point of guilt!! They all had consoling and secular counseling doesn’t have a great track record. God Bless. Memaw

It wasn’t one “incident.” There were at least five different victims. Five! Think about how compulsive and uncontrollable a behavior it would have to be to do it with five different girls, even after having been caught a few times.

 

[grasscutter]

Your defense of this and refusal to look at the information while maintaining your position is well…odd.

I hope all is well with you. Perhaps this thread is not a good place for you…

I agree. The lack of logic and stubborn perserverating with no factual basis has become deeply disturbing.

 

[Lou2U]

His “victims” don’t seem to be suffering as much as some posters. His "victims"are suffering from the media’s “False and sensationalized information”. God Bless, Memaw

I’m not sure why you’re putting victims in quotation marks - the fact that molesting young children does leave victims is indisputable.

I think it is offensive to say that Josh’s victims are happy and fine - because we don’t know that. As others have said, one of the girls was not happy and fine about what had happened to her and she implied that she still could not trust Josh.

I have a question for you, Memaw - what “false and sensationalised information” has been spread by the media? When I post, I am using evidence from the police report. Josh molested five young girls. Yes, he was upset he had done it, but then he did it again. Josh did molest his siblings and another young girl.

It is unclear as to whether Josh received counselling or not. Jim Bob said he couldn’t remember the name of the place Josh had been to although he’d been from March to July, and Michelle admitted that it was not professional counselling.

Have you read the police report?

Lou

 

[MaryT777]

The problem is someone with compulsive sinful issues needs to avoid the near occasion of sin. This might to me seem Josh should not be around children if he has a problem with boundaries and molestation.

Once again, even after “treatment” they decided working in construction for a time they went to the time and expense to build a new house built specifically so that Josh could not have access to the girls’ room except through the Master Bedroom. Also again, they locked the girls’ room on top of that.

They did not apparently even trust his treatment was effective in their hearts with the huge measures of building a house and locking doors etc.

Prayers for all involved. Catholics are told to avoid near occasions of sin. No, he is not Catholic but still it’s good advice.

Mary…

 

[Memaw]

I agree. The lack of logic and stubborn perserverating with no factual basis has become deeply disturbing.

Factual basis, from the media, that’s a laugh, especially when it comes form a trash source. God Bless, Memaw

 

[grasscutter]

Factual basis, from the media, that’s a laugh, especially when it comes form a trash source. God Bless, Memaw

I’m confused, do you mean media as in Fox news and Megyn Kelly? And I actually meant that your opinions in this matter are not adequately supported by facts.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Factual basis, from the media, that’s a laugh, especially when it comes form a trash source. God Bless, Memaw

Unless it is what you want to hear, then it is as good as Megan Kelly and her statistics that you cited earlier. Wow, are you reading what your are writing here? What is going on with you!?

 

[Memaw]

I’m not sure why you’re putting victims in quotation marks - the fact that molesting young children does leave victims is indisputable.

I think it is offensive to say that Josh’s victims are happy and fine - because we don’t know that. As others have said, one of the girls was not happy and fine about what had happened to her and she implied that she still could not trust Josh.

I have a question for you, Memaw - what “false and sensationalised information” has been spread by the media? When I post, I am using evidence from the police report. Josh molested five young girls. Yes, he was upset he had done it, but then he did it again. Josh did molest his siblings and another young girl.

It is unclear as to whether Josh received counselling or not. Jim Bob said he couldn’t remember the name of the place Josh had been to although he’d been from March to July, and Michelle admitted that it was not professional counselling.

Have you read the police report?

Lou

You will believe the media but not his own family. He had counseling, they even said he paid for it himself, but the of course we don’t believe anything they say. Why are you sooo determined to not give them a chance to get on with their lives. The girls, who were the victims, said they have been hurt a thousand times more from all the false and sensationalized information the everyone has been spreading about Josh and the family. But of course lets don’t ever believe them!! God Bless, Memaw

 

[Lou2U]

You will believe the media but not his own family. He had counseling, they even said he paid for it himself, but the of course we don’t believe anything they say. Why are you sooo determined to not give them a chance to get on with their lives. The girls, who were the victims, said they have been hurt a thousand times more from all the false and sensationalized information the everyone has been spreading about Josh and the family. But of course lets don’t ever believe them!! God Bless, Memaw

No, I believe the police report which Josh, Jim Bob and Michelle made statements to.

I have linked to the police report before. Where is your evidence that Josh had counselling and is not at risk of re-offending?

The girls have said that they were hurt by the media bringing their experiences back up again. I’m not aware they said any of the information was false or sensationalised, which leads me to ask you again - what information has been sensationalised?

Lou

 

[Convert_in_99]

Hooiser Daddy quit attacking MeMaw for having a differing veiwpoint. You’ve asked her “what is going on with you?” And told her this thread “is not good for her.” Her views are different. So what. Leave her alone.

ETA: Lou is disecting what she is saying, not attacking her with verbal jabs at her person. There is a more polite way to disagree.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Hooiser Daddy quit attacking MeMaw for having a differing veiwpoint. You’ve asked her “what is going on with you?” And told her this thread “is not good for her.” Her views are different. So what. Leave her alone.

ETA: Lou is disecting what she is saying, not attacking her with verbal jabs at her person. There is a more polite way to disagree.

Memaw or the mods can address this. thanks.

 

[ucfengr]

Well, the problem is that because the parents did not remove Josh from the home right away, more girls were victimized. Including a girl who was NOT a family member, who we haven’t heard from at all.

And I certainly did not think that poor Jill Duggar turned out okay, just based on the glimpse we had of her breaking down in an interview expressly meant for damage control, she could not quite stick to the script, which makes me think she’s doing worse in private. (Jessa seems to be doing okay, at least for now. But I wonder if this will change once she becomes a mother herself, the way Jill is.)

Your focus on Josh’s well-being above that of his sisters, certainly seems to have the same mindset as the Duggars themselves.

You’re also ignoring what many posters have stated, that Josh would likely have NOT gone to prison. He certainly wouldn’t have been tossed in with the adult rapists.

So, you want Josh out of the house, just not in juvenile prison, right? Where do you send him? At the time, he was a 14 year old boy. Do you give him a refrigerator box and a shopping cart and send him on his way? This was a teenage boy who was acting out sexually. It’s obviously not good, but he’s probably not a sexual psychopath either.

You need to quit viewing this from Jim Bob and Michelle’s perspective for a few minutes and view it from the perspective of the other girl’s parents. If she was your daughter, would you want this handled properly or would you prefer the gross mishandling that it received?

I don’t know the Duggers and I’ve never watched their show, so I would have no idea how to view it from Jim Bob and Michelle’s perspective. I’m looking at it from my perspective as the parent of among others, a special needs child. I have to consider very seriously that at some point my child may start to act out in that way, and the last thing I’d want to do is put him in the juvenile justice system. I’d be exploring every other option before I considered that one. This is not an abstract concept for me.

As an aside, I wonder what the reaction would be if it was one of the Dugger daughters instead of Josh that was sexually acting out. I find that people are a lot more forgiving of girls than of boys.

 

[Xantippe]

You will believe the media but not his own family. He had counseling, they even said he paid for it himself, but the of course we don’t believe anything they say.

**Realistically, how much counseling could a 15-year-old boy pay for out of his own pocket, out of his own earnings?

If we take that story about him paying himself, doesn’t it suggest that whatever counseling there was was very limited in scope?

Also, there’s counseling and there’s counseling. There are a variety of credentials, some of them more reputable than others. Presumably, a teen sex offender would need very specialized counseling. Nothing that any of the Duggars have said suggests that whatever counseling they chose was that sort of specialized counseling.
**

Why are you sooo determined to not give them a chance to get on with their lives. The girls, who were the victims, said they have been hurt a thousand times more from all the false and sensationalized information the everyone has been spreading about Josh and the family. But of course lets don’t ever believe them!! God Bless, Memaw

Again, what sensationalized information?

When JimBob and Michelle Duggar chose to put their family on TV within a year of being interviewed by police about their son’s molestation problems, that’s what started the fuse that blew up last month. They have only themselves to thank for their family’s lack of privacy with regard to this issue.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

So, you want Josh out of the house, just not in juvenile prison, right? Where do you send him? At the time, he was a 14 year old boy. Do you give him a refrigerator box and a shopping cart and send him on his way? This was a teenage boy who was acting out sexually. It’s obviously not good, but he’s probably not a sexual psychopath either.

I don’t know the Duggers and I’ve never watched their show, so I would have no idea how to view it from Jim Bob and Michelle’s perspective. I’m looking at it from my perspective as the parent of among others, a special needs child. I have to consider very seriously that at some point my child may start to act out in that way, and the last thing I’d want to do is put him in the juvenile justice system. I’d be exploring every other option before I considered that one. This is not an abstract concept for me.

As an aside, I wonder what the reaction would be if it was one of the Dugger daughters instead of Josh that was sexually acting out. I find that people are a lot more forgiving of girls than of boys.

Having never watched the show is telling.

Special needs is different than Josh’;s situation.
It is not Sexually acting out. It was happening several times and then he would confess through tears and then do it again. Have you read the police report and have you seen the handout on how sexual abuse is dealt with in thier circle. Complete with blaming the victim with phrases like “what did I do to cause it. Dress provocatively?” Or minimizing the abuse as only affecting your body but the victims damaging their soul by harboring feelings of anger toward the abuser? It is sick sick stuff

 

[Xantippe]

So, you want Josh out of the house, just not in juvenile prison, right? Where do you send him? At the time, he was a 14 year old boy. Do you give him a refrigerator box and a shopping cart and send him on his way? This was a teenage boy who was acting out sexually. It’s obviously not good, but he’s probably not a sexual psychopath either.

Eh, was there not an auntie, an uncle, or a grandma or grandpa to take him in?

I don’t know the Duggers and I’ve never watched their show, so I would have no idea how to view it from Jim Bob and Michelle’s perspective. I’m looking at it from my perspective as the parent of among others, a special needs child. I have to consider very seriously that at some point my child may start to act out in that way, and the last thing I’d want to do is put him in the juvenile justice system. I’d be exploring every other option before I considered that one. This is not an abstract concept for me.

You’d let your child victimize 5 girls before taking effective action?

As an aside, I wonder what the reaction would be if it was one of the Dugger daughters instead of Josh that was sexually acting out. I find that people are a lot more forgiving of girls than of boys.

Again, five victims?

 

[Convert_in_99]

So, you want Josh out of the house, just not in juvenile prison, right? Where do you send him? At the time, he was a 14 year old boy. Do you give him a refrigerator box and a shopping cart and send him on his way? This was a teenage boy who was acting out sexually. It’s obviously not good, but he’s probably not a sexual psychopath either.

I don’t know the Duggers and I’ve never watched their show, so I would have no idea how to view it from Jim Bob and Michelle’s perspective. I’m looking at it from my perspective as the parent of among others, a special needs child. I have to consider very seriously that at some point my child may start to act out in that way, and the last thing I’d want to do is put him in the juvenile justice system. I’d be exploring every other option before I considered that one. This is not an abstract concept for me.

I agree that I’d have to think long and hard before risking jail or a lifelong police record for my child.

My sister also has a special needs child and runs this risk. I would sure as heck not try him in the same way as a teen who could reason somewhat. I would never put a special needs child in the hands of the law. :nope:

I certainly agree that for the child who is able to reason that immediate and long term seperation would be required. For the special needs child, I’d honestly try other safety measures like locks, heightened 24 hour supervision (including cameras,) and never leaving them alone together first.

 

[Convert_in_99]

Memaw or the mods can address this. thanks.

MeMaw is too sweet to stand up for herself and the mods are super busy. But I go in peace.