Eastern Catholics Uncomfortable with De-Latinization

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ByzCath:
I knew it! You are one of them!

I am a Byzantine Catholic and I do not think our discussions should be separate. Nor do I think we are Orthodox in Communion with Rome, so our topics should not necessarily be with them.
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I believe “Orthodox in Communion with Rome” describes us quite well. How would you describe us?

Dan L
 
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GregoryPalamas:
I believe “Orthodox in Communion with Rome” describes us quite well. How would you describe us?

Dan L
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I have gotten into with a certian “Orthodox Catholic” at the byzcath forum.

How would I describe us?

Byzantine Catholic.
 
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twiztedseraph:
That said I think that its good in many aspects that the Eastern Churches are returning to their Ancient and Venerable traditions. However, it does seem unfair to the poor Byzantince Catholic woman in her Parish who wouldn’t be allowed to pray the Rosary or whatever.QUOTE]

I’m confused why would recapturing Ancient and Venerable traditions make it wrong for anyone to say the rosary?
This recapturing is good unless it somehow polarizes Latin and Eastern Catholics in a bad way… or makes one side feel their traditions are somehow better than the others. I’ve ran into arrogant people on both sides and it wasn’t a pleasant experience. The church needs both traditions they give fullness to the expression of the Catholic religion.
Whether Orthodox Christians have a problem with Eastern catholics is secondary. the church already breathes with both lungs recapturing the ancient and venerable traditions just gets both lungs working at full capacity.
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Dan (Carson) and Michael,

Wow! Suddenly it feels a bit like “old home week” here, doesn’t it? Nothing quite like the feeling you get when you bump into old friends!

Michael, I pray all is well with you, my friend. I’ll PM you when I get the opportunity.

Dan, my sincere prayers for the inspiration of the Holy Spirit as you approach Saturday’s events. If He is truly allowed to lead the activities, then your efforts cannot fail to bear much fruit!

Mnohaja i blahaja l’ita!
 
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GregoryPalamas:
Michael,

Is that really you? I miss you terribly. Have you been following our plans for the Whiting meeting? Pray for us. How’s your journey going. I’m praying for you as well.

Carson Daniel Lauffer
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Yes Dan, I have been watching it with keen interest. I miss you all.

I’ll set aside a special day soon to pray for the success of your endeavor.

I am half tempted to show up as an observer for the event.

God Bless
 
a pilgrim:
Wow! Suddenly it feels a bit like “old home week” here, doesn’t it? Nothing quite like the feeling you get when you bump into old friends!

Mnohaja i blahaja l’ita!
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Glory to Jesus Christ!

Old friends indeed, Many Years to you and yours Al! Please give my best regards to Father Tom and the rest when you see them again.

Mnohaja l’ita!
 
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Hesychios:
Yes Dan, I have been watching it with keen interest. I miss you all.

I’ll set aside a special day soon to pray for the success of your endeavor.

I am half tempted to show up as an observer for the event.

God Bless
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Michael

You would be most welcome. You’d be welcome to participate if you wished.

Thanks Pilgrim. I take it you won’t be able to come. I wish you could.

CDL
 
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ByzCath:
I knew it! You are one of them!
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Oh, is that a bad thing? :ehh:

I thought we usually were pretty close in outlook.

Love in Christ,
Michael
 
Friends,

Glory be to Jesus Christ!
Just a side note.

On August 19th., Catholic Answers Live will have a program entitled: Byzantine Catholic Answers.

Make sure to mark this date down, listen, AND call-in! I’ll plan on calling in. Let make this a very successful program!

In Christ,
Edwin
Holy Transfiguration Byzantine Catholic Parish

P.S. “Now back to our regular scheduled topic!”
 
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Hesychios:
Oh, is that a bad thing? :ehh:

I thought we usually were pretty close in outlook.

Love in Christ,
Michael
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We are, I think I am suffering from the company I am keeping.

There are certain individuals at the Melkite parish I attend who, when they are away, or when our pastor is away and the bi-ritual Latin priest can not make it and we have a Typica with the deacon, they would rather attend an Orthodox Church and not recieve the Eucharist than go to a Mass and recieve the Eucharist.

I guess I am strange, when given a choice of attendance at a Byzantine service and no Eucharist or Mass and recieve the Eucharist, I always choose to recieve Christ.

But then they already think I am odd as I am trying to join a Latin religious order.
 
Ah, a Melkite? I have a question. Do Melkites receive by the spoon as do other BCs?

Dan L
 
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Edwin1961:
Friends,

Glory be to Jesus Christ!
Just a side note.

On August 19th., Catholic Answers Live will have a program entitled: Byzantine Catholic Answers.

Make sure to mark this date down, listen, AND call-in! I’ll plan on calling in. Let make this a very successful program!

In Christ,
Edwin
Holy Transfiguration Byzantine Catholic Parish

P.S. “Now back to our regular scheduled topic!”
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Who will be hosting it? do you happen to know?
 
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GregoryPalamas:
Ah, a Melkite? I have a question. Do Melkites receive by the spoon as do other BCs?

Dan L
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Actually I am a Ruthenian but I attend a Melkite parish as the closest Ruthenian one is over an hour away.

The Melkites only use the spoon for Presanctified.
 
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ByzCath:
Actually I am a Ruthenian but I attend a Melkite parish as the closest Ruthenian one is over an hour away.

The Melkites only use the spoon for Presanctified.
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I guess I’m curious, how do Melkites receive then if it isn’t with a spoon? It’s my understanding that when communion is received by spoon the priest will take a particle Consecrated Bread dipped in the Consecrated Wine and put it in the communicants mouth.

How do the Melkites accomplish this without a spoon?
 
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stillsearching:
Your pastor is a very, very ignorant man. And blasphemous as well. Neither do I pray to body parts. If I say Christ is the heart of the Church do you then envision pumping ventricles, veins and arteries? Muscles and blood? Ridiculous.Your pastor needs some regrooving in a theological school somewhere. Or you do.
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I have tried to overlook this comment but I just can’t. I wish that just this once you would cool your jets.

You simply have no understanding about the Eastern perspective, that priests’ comments were not meant to be insulting. In fact, he was completely right, the sacred heart devotions are alien to the Eastern tradition for just that reason.

In any case, if you consider yourself a typical of Roman catholic and are yet so intolerant about something like this I don’t see much hope for the future of Eastern Catholicism in the long run. I hope the Western church isn’t largely populated by people like you.
 
This is a good conversation and I agree with you “Hesychios” that there should be a section for Eastern Catholics in general. Considering the fact that Rome allows Her flock to commune in Orthodox Churches, I think relegating the Orthodox section to something on par with heresies like Islam and the LDS “church” is a bit silly. Let’s all try to stay away from the ad hominem stuff though… Myself included. 🙂
 
David B:
I guess I’m curious, how do Melkites receive then if it isn’t with a spoon? It’s my understanding that when communion is received by spoon the priest will take a particle Consecrated Bread dipped in the Consecrated Wine and put it in the communicants mouth.

How do the Melkites accomplish this without a spoon?
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Byzantines cut the bread into cubes, after the consecration the Body is placed into the Chalice. That is why a spoon is used.

The Melkites (who are Byzantine but of a Middle Eastern descent instead of Eastern European) cut the bread into a bit longer pieces, sort of like rectangles, some have called them “french fries” but they are not as long or as thin. The priest takes the Body and dips it in the Precious Blood.

Hope that helps.
 
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GregoryPalamas:
I believe “Orthodox in Communion with Rome” describes us quite well. How would you describe us?

Dan L
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Orthodox out of communion with all the Orthodox but in communion with Rome?
 
Fr. Ambrose,

Rather cheeky. Your reputation precedes you. Since the Church in communion with Rome precedes by a millenium the Church not in communion with Rome I invite you to rejoin the Church.

Dan L
 
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GregoryPalamas:
Fr. Ambrose,

Rather cheeky. Your reputation precedes you. Since the Church in communion with Rome precedes by a millenium the Church not in communion with Rome I invite you to rejoin the Church.

Dan L
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