EDITED: New translation used in any musical settings at Mass yet?

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This past Sunday we were going to do the new translation of the Gloria for the first time, but an overeager lector jumped up and went right into the first reading a little early. The priest looked momentarily alarmed, but we proceeded on without doubling back to the Gloria–perhaps the priest didn’t want to embarrass the lector.
 
We have gradually added the new sung responses every week since the beginning of September and are now using them all in Sunday Masses.
 
This past Sunday we were going to do the new translation of the Gloria for the first time, but an overeager lector jumped up and went right into the first reading a little early. The priest looked momentarily alarmed, but we proceeded on without doubling back to the Gloria–perhaps the priest didn’t want to embarrass the lector.
Wow a bit over zealous there by the reader :o missed the opening prayer then as well.😊
 
Our diocese had all the priests meet and select ONE choice so that all the churches sing the same reponses (Bishops orders) and I LOVE the new Gloria. We’re having musicians that first Sunday with brass and the choir is learning it already. It’s the ONLY change I like. So at least I go into it with something I like–very beautiful.
 
Well in this part of the Cincinnati Archdiocese, every church I have been to seems to be clinging on to the old translations until their last dying gasps. Still hearing that old “Mass of Creation” with its altered lyrics week after week. Still belting out the old “Christ has died…”. You would think that there could at least be a slow shift to phasing out that acclamation (without violating anything), so it would be less of a shock on 27 Nov. But noooooooooooooooooooooooo. Well at least after this weekend, only six more times to have to listen to the dinosaur translations (maybe).
 
Well in this part of the Cincinnati Archdiocese, every church I have been to seems to be clinging on to the old translations until their last dying gasps. Still hearing that old “Mass of Creation” with its altered lyrics week after week. Still belting out the old “Christ has died…”. You would think that there could at least be a slow shift to phasing out that acclamation (without violating anything), so it would be less of a shock on 27 Nov. But noooooooooooooooooooooooo. Well at least after this weekend, only six more times to have to listen to the dinosaur translations (maybe).
Phasing out the “Christ has died…” acclamation over several months was the one thing that our former pastor had done before he was reassigned in August. Unfortunately, the priest who’s filling in has not read the memo.
 
We’ve been using it in the UK since september as others have pointed out. It’s presented a huge problem with music. The new mass settings are extremely poor and badly written leaving us with no option but to use the traditional latin music.

As an organist i feel as if there has been a terrible ingress of secular style music into the church and the new translation has only made this worse with a series of unsingable offerings from the likes of Stephen Dean, Christopher Walker, etc. What on earth do we sing?!
 
As an organist i feel as if there has been a terrible ingress of secular style music into the church and the new translation has only made this worse with a series of unsingable offerings from the likes of Stephen Dean, Christopher Walker, etc.
indeed, there has been.
What on earth do we sing?!
when in doubt, chant in latin. you can never go wrong with the prefered music of the roman rite.
 
to answer the original thread question, my parish is using most of the new translation music, but unfortunately, it’s just the same old, same old OCP c r a p.
 
Yes–our music minister began teaching us the new “Gloria” and we sang it last weekend and this weekend…
 
We’ve been using it in the UK since september as others have pointed out. It’s presented a huge problem with music. The new mass settings are extremely poor and badly written leaving us with no option but to use the traditional latin music.

As an organist i feel as if there has been a terrible ingress of secular style music into the church and the new translation has only made this worse with a series of unsingable offerings from the likes of Stephen Dean, Christopher Walker, etc. What on earth do we sing?!
With all due respect, there are MANY MANY MANY new mass settings, with styles varying from contemporary ( youtube.com/watch?v=MXFnNDiXMR8 ). To classical (youtube.com/watch?v=uo-pLZBglOo). My point is, simply putting it, is that there is no shortage of options for you. Note you, neither of the mass settings that I linked were from either of those composers.

With that said, the likes of Christopher Walker/David Haas/ Marty Haugen need to be shown some respect, considering that (like it or not) they have been part of our musical heritage for the past 40 years. Either way, I hope that you find something that suits your parish! If you have any questions on different settings, feel free to message me!
 
and thats a bad thing?
Respectfully, possibly. If a parish has not chanted in latin in 40 years, this time of change would be an incredibly poor time to revert to a seemingly foreign style of music.

Pax Christi.
 
Respectfully, possibly. If a parish has not chanted in latin in 40 years, this time of change would be an incredibly poor time to revert to a seemingly foreign style of music.

Pax Christi.
its not foreign, its the music of the roman rite. it is an excelent time to begin singing the mass instead of singing at mass
 
its not foreign, its the music of the roman rite. it is an excelent time to begin singing the mass instead of singing at mass
Exactly. Yet you must understand that, depending on the parish, an entire generation may have been raised without hearing chant at Mass. While this might be a travesty, a time where the spoken responses of the mass are changing would be a poor time to introduce chant in a parish where it has not been done in possibly 30 to 40 years. The requirement to use mass cards/other visual aids is already going to impede on a congregation’s ability to fully pray. Adding in a distinctly different style of music would be possibly disastrous considering all of the other changes being implemented. Personally, I’m of the opinion that this time should be a time of renewal for the church. For the fist time in 40 years, we are blessed with an abundance of new composers and new musical settings of the mass, that I feel it would be a waste not to see what they have to offer.
 
We are chanting the new Gloria; Holy, Holy, Holy; and Mystery of Faith
 
With that said, the likes of Christopher Walker/David Haas/ Marty Haugen need to be shown some respect, considering that (like it or not) they have been part of our musical heritage for the past 40 years. Either way, I hope that you find something that suits your parish! If you have any questions on different settings, feel free to message me!
I find it difficult to show them much respect given some of the latest offerings some of which are riddled with the most basic errors, wild changes in time without changing the time signature and poor voice leading; quite useless if the congregation are supposed to join in. Let us not forget that they are all probably paid a small fortune for some of this quite lazy and shoddy work.

I personally would love to use Latin all the time and draw on the REAL heritage of the last two thousand years not simply the last forty. However this is not possible in a church where the priest prefers us to use English in case it ‘scares the young people away’. The latter attitude i believe to be a great misconception.

Young people are keen to learn more about the old chant and feel embarrassed by some of these secular style toe tappers from the 70’s all lead from the guitar while the organ stands silent. One day they will be adults too and this so called ‘contemporary’ music will be even more out of fashion than it is now.
 
I find it difficult to show them much respect given some of the latest offerings some of which are riddled with the most basic errors, wild changes in time without changing the time signature and poor voice leading; quite useless if the congregation are supposed to join in. Let us not forget that they are all probably paid a small fortune for some of this quite lazy and shoddy work.

I personally would love to use Latin all the time and draw on the REAL heritage of the last two thousand years not simply the last forty. However this is not possible in a church where the priest prefers us to use English in case it ‘scares the young people away’. The latter attitude i believe to be a great misconception.

Young people are keen to learn more about the old chant and feel embarrassed by some of these secular style toe tappers from the 70’s all lead from the guitar while the organ stands silent. One day they will be adults too and this so called ‘contemporary’ music will be even more out of fashion than it is now.
I’m sending this reply via mobile device, so please excuse any spelling or gramatical errors that may render. With all due respect, I feel that simply disregarding all liturgical that was written after 1962 as pseudo-contempory garbage is a little extreme. The comlosers of this music 95% of the time are music ministers who begin writing to fill a liturgical need in their community. So, if that premise is true, then it could very well be the case that the contemporary style came from a need in the parish. From there, they submitted their composed work to be published. As far as the wealth and income earned from these compositions, well, it is far less then one would think. My parish recently had a composer out to present a workshop on his new mass setting for our choir, and others in the diocese. Over that weekend, my wife and I had the opportunity to speak with him and get to know him. Really, his primary job was that as a Catholic music director at a church on the west coast. His mass was written well before the new translations for his community that he served, and from there it was being revised and published.

As for the income that he earned, well, that sort of shoots a hole in the rich and famous lifestyle. The composer reported to my wife and I that for each copy of his mass that he sold, he received a massive SEVENTEEN CENTS per sold choir edition of his mass. Surely, any one reading this can do the math and determine the sheer quantity of music sold that it would take to provide for ones family solely on composition.

Ultimately, I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind about what is good and what is not in liturgical music. What I would Like to impart, though, is that many of the composers who are the brunt of so much ire on these forums are simple music mnisters, hoping to impact tue lives of the congregation they serve. Weather or not you pike the music, please respect the prayer and tIme they commit
 
“Heritage” is not the word I would describe for the last 40 years. I wonder if you really took an honest poll of both “people in the pews” and of “fallen away Catholics” whether this style of music vs traditional hyms is what people really, really like or they just put up with it because those in power all think the same and foisted it upon the masses.
With all due respect, there are MANY MANY MANY new mass settings, with styles varying from contemporary ( youtube.com/watch?v=MXFnNDiXMR8 ). To classical (youtube.com/watch?v=uo-pLZBglOo). My point is, simply putting it, is that there is no shortage of options for you. Note you, neither of the mass settings that I linked were from either of those composers.

With that said, the likes of Christopher Walker/David Haas/ Marty Haugen need to be shown some respect, considering that (like it or not) they have been part of our musical heritage for the past 40 years. Either way, I hope that you find something that suits your parish! If you have any questions on different settings, feel free to message me!
 
Can you define traditional hymns? Are you referring to Latin chant or protestant organ based hymnody?

As for today’s music, call it what you will. A title still does not change that it is what 90% of the American church has been praying for the past 40 years. Weather or not you think it is an aesthetic tragedy, it has happened, and it is incredibly prevelent today. This leads to two possible conclusions: either the liturgical sensus fidei of the American church has gone way south, or maybe, by some act of Grace, this music has at least some redeeming liturgical value.

What I am speaking is but my opinion based upon several years of cantoring at my local parish. For my congregation, they respond far better (participation wise) to contemporary, piano based, hymnody then they do to organ based hymnody or chant. Ultimately, I feel that is what it comes down to: Providing music that is expressive, prayerful, and most important formative in our Catholic tradition. Beyond that, I do not see there being any overwhelming aesthetic value (or cause for vehemence for that matter) in a particular style of music. Do what forms the congregation in Jesus Christ. Period.

And, if possible, have respect for those who commit their lives to the formation of the faithful through music, even as repulsive as you may find their music.

Pax Christi.
 
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