EDITED: New translation used in any musical settings at Mass yet?

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For the past two weeks (last Thursday and tonight) the choir director opened up rehearsals to the whole congregation to learn the new sung Mass parts. We went tonight. It is beautiful. We are using the Chant Mass.šŸ˜ƒ I now need to learn about St Ralph Sherwin!

On the new translation in general, we are being well prepared. The diocese has done a series of talks at almost every parish lead by the Director or Liturgy. Our priests are preaching on the new Mass starting this month and we have had inserts in the bulletin (from the USCCB site) for several months already.
 
So our choir has been preparing for the new translation little by little. As far as I know, no permission in our diocese was issued to introduce the new parts in September, so our deadline is still Advent.

We started with the Gloria. Our old Gloria was written locally by a well-known Catholic musician, who happened to be the director of music at the parish I used to attend in 2003-2004. It is a modern-sounding but decent setting, and we thought it might be a good idea to try to keep it. So our director tried contacting the author for a while, then he decided on his own that he would just try and adapt the music to the new text. Well, it came out better than we all expected and we loved it. I helped him typeset the new music, converting it over from handwritten chicken scratch to something that could be read and presented to the assembly for learning.

Then our pastor got involved. He just received his parish copy of the Roman Missal last week, and he has been studying it. He photocopied some relevant pages for our director and suggested that we try the chanted settings provided. šŸ¤·

We are mostly in agreement that the Roman Missalā€™s English Gloria is deadly dull. It consists of four or five notes up and down the scale. It takes no skill or brains to sing properly and, as he said, doesnā€™t sound ā€œGloriousā€ at all. But this is what the pastor wants, and we noted that it is the mode preferred in the Church documents. So in all likelihood we will ditch the modern Gloria and go with the chant.

We also went over the Memorial Acclamations in chant setting. They are quite easy and wonā€™t present a problem for anyone to learn. None of the other settings we auditioned were anything spectacular, so nothing of value will be lost if we do it this way.
 
Elizium23 said:
Then our pastor got involved. He just received his parish copy of the Roman Missal last week, and he has been studying it. He photocopied some relevant pages for our director and suggested that we try the chanted settings provided. šŸ¤·

We are mostly in agreement that the Roman Missalā€™s English Gloria is deadly dull. It consists of four or five notes up and down the scale. It takes no skill or brains to sing properly and, as he said, doesnā€™t sound ā€œGloriousā€ at all. But this is what the pastor wants, and we noted that it is the mode preferred in the Church documents. So in all likelihood we will ditch the modern Gloria and go with the chant.
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Tell your pastor that photocopying from the missal is illegal and refuse to do it!
I have to agree with you though about the Gloria, i tried the chant Gloria from the missal with the choir last night and they all hated it so i had to do an emergency injection of Duffy Gloria to ā€˜ā€˜cheer things upā€™ā€™. Then i hear the church a few miles away are still singing the old words and havenā€™t changed anything. Itā€™s very frustrating when thereā€™s no consistency but i guess itā€™s parishes taking matters into their own hands and singing the stuff that they like! At least they liked the Kyrie and Agnus Dei (which i believe comes from the missa requiem XVIII)
 
Making one copy of a small section of the entire Roman Missal for our own non-commercial study is definitely not illegal.
 
ZachHildebrandt said:
Tell your pastor that photocopying from the missal is illegal and refuse to do it!
I have to agree with you though about the Gloria, i tried the chant Gloria from the missal with the choir last night and they all hated it so i had to do an emergency injection of Duffy Gloria to ā€˜ā€˜cheer things upā€™ā€™. Then i hear the church a few miles away are still singing the old words and havenā€™t changed anything. Itā€™s very frustrating when thereā€™s no consistency but i guess itā€™s parishes taking matters into their own hands and singing the stuff that they like! At least they liked the Kyrie and Agnus Dei (which i believe comes from the missa requiem XVIII)
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I agree too that the chant version of the Gloria in the Missal is dull and sounds more like something for a funeral. We are using the Belmont Mass which is a chant but a bit more upbeat for lack of a better word. It flows better and I believe it is easier to sing. In fact in the pews we only have the words of the revised text and not the music and people caught on very quickly. The Gloria Simplex is also a very good chant version. In fact I liked it better than the Belmont but our music director chose the Belmont thinking that since it was OCP it would be in the new Music Issue and Missalettesā€¦it is not.
 
Elizium23 said:
Making one copy of a small section of the entire Roman Missal for our own non-commercial study is definitely not illegal.
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This is debatable. Technically photocopying anything copyrightable is a violation of the copyright laws. If itā€™s put online, then there is implied consent to allow printouts for our own non-commercial study, but fully respecting the copyright laws, which prohibit the more widescale distribution of those printouts which would prevent the author from rightful compensation. But Iā€™m not the judge or jury here. I know I was told once I couldnā€™t play the organ from a photocopy of the music sheets, even though I purchased the music sheets myself. (I made the photocopies so I wouldnā€™t have to turn the pages.)
 
SOS (Same Old Stuff) again tonight for the Vigil of the 29th Sun in Ord Time. Unbelievable! It almost feels wierd like Iā€™m in the ā€œTwilight Zoneā€. I know that there are only five more weekends of the old translation left. Yet, hard to believe that everything is supposed to suddenly change overnight on the first weekend of Advent with no preparation.
 
Elizium23 said:
My example is a fairly typical instance of fair use.
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It was only meant to be a lighthearted comment. In the UK weā€™ve all been told by the bishops not to photocopy anything anywhere without the relevant licence, and most licences donā€™t allow us to photocopy musical lines and certainly not organ copies. So of course this has left us with limited options until all the supplements to the hymnals arrive. Weā€™ve ordered the supplement to ā€˜ā€˜Laudateā€™ā€™ which one or two good settings but is unfortunately full of Stephen Deanā€™s stuff.
 
Now, my parish is up to the Gloria, the Sanctus, the Mysterium Fidei, and the Agnus Dei.

OBTW we just received a FOURTH permanent priest to our parish today. This church is nothing special, just a medium-sized parish in a medium-sized South Carolina townā€¦ these Redemptorists keep building up in our parish, our priest-to-parishioner ratio is like, crazy. Four priests, three deaconsā€¦ itā€™s like weā€™re swimming in clerics when half of Americaā€™s parishes barely have a priest available.
 
YoungTradCath said:
Now, my parish is up to the Gloria, the Sanctus, the Mysterium Fidei, and the Agnus Dei.

OBTW we just received a FOURTH permanent priest to our parish today. This church is nothing special, just a medium-sized parish in a medium-sized South Carolina townā€¦ these Redemptorists keep building up in our parish, our priest-to-parishioner ratio is like, crazy. Four priests, three deaconsā€¦ itā€™s like weā€™re swimming in clerics when half of Americaā€™s parishes barely have a priest available.
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You are very VERY lucky! (and Iā€™m jealous!!!)
We sure could use a deacon, can you send us one of yours?

Itā€™s not unusual for a priest out here in Az to have a parish, and one, two or even 3 missions to take care of. Our priest has our parish and one mission. The priest that just left us went where he has 1 parish and 3 missions.
 
DaveBj said:
Weā€™ve been using a new Gloria that is rewritten version of an old Gloria that we were using. Itā€™s not all that different. I didnā€™t like it before, and I donā€™t care for it now; itā€™s very modern and folky, even if it is played on the organ.
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And now a month and a half after the 1st of September, the new Gloria is all that weā€™re doing at Sunday Mass. In contrast, at the daily Masses weā€™re doing just about all the new responses. I guess the Sunday people are in for a big surprise come late November.
 
I am the church music director/organist; we implemented the new mass setting today. The priest and I worked closely together to make sure the congregation was ready; I had booklets printed and put into pews, and we had rehearsed for the past several weeks WITH the congregation (10+ minutes prior to Mass starting).
It was AWESOMEā€¦the congregation sang heartily and well, the priest used his homily to discuss the upcoming changes and also made some corrections for our benefit (i.e., we donā€™t lift our hands up in response to his words like we have been doing, etc.).
I am so glad: we are all ready!! šŸ‘
 
My parish is using printouts of this:

catholic-doc.org/divineworship/Ordo%20Missae%20Color.pdf

document to give away to prepare for the new translation, in addition to having a more formal, laminated permanent version in the pews. It includes all of the changing parts pertinent to the faithful. You can print them on oblong sheets of paper at a print shop and fold them into thirds. I think this is the best thing Iā€™ve seen so far. If someone thinks it is more beneficial to start a new thread for this, go ahead.
 
Okay. Well, I responded earlier ā€œNoā€, but yesterday we got new musical settings and some ā€œcheat sheetsā€ in the pews. Seems to be OCP music by Curtis Stephan in B-flat. Should be great for clarinet. šŸ‘
 
YoungTradCath said:
My parish is using printouts of this:

catholic-doc.org/divineworship/Ordo%20Missae%20Color.pdf

document to give away to prepare for the new translation, in addition to having a more formal, laminated permanent version in the pews. It includes all of the changing parts pertinent to the faithful. You can print them on oblong sheets of paper at a print shop and fold them into thirds. I think this is the best thing Iā€™ve seen so far. If someone thinks it is more beneficial to start a new thread for this, go ahead.
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We have something similar, a tri-fold laminated cheat-sheet. But itā€™s being used only as I noted in my post above.
 
DaveBj said:
And now a month and a half after the 1st of September, the new Gloria is all that weā€™re doing at Sunday Mass. In contrast, at the daily Masses weā€™re doing just about all the new responses. I guess the Sunday people are in for a big surprise come late November.
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Are you using the sung responses at daily Mass?
 
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