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I don’t want to beat a dead horse, but I think the following excerpt from the CNBC article ‘Trump Meets With Top Election Advisors As Biden’s Lead Endures’ is relevant to this conversation.

*Election analysts and legal observers say that his chances of winning a recount or of invalidating enough ballots by proving fraud or other irregularities to deny Biden a victory in even a single state, much less multiple states, are slim at best.

Biden’s legal advisor Bob Bauer has called the Trump’s campaign’s legal challenges to ballots ‘theatrics’.

A White House advisor told NBC News ‘It’s not wrong for the Biden team to call it theater.’

Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich, a Republican, said on Wednesday it is ‘very highly unlikely’ that Trump will win enough of the fewer than 45,000 ballots outstanding in Arizona to overcome Biden’s lead there.

Brnovich, whose wife was appointed to the federal judiciary by Trump, also said during a Fox Business interview that his office had not found any evidence of ballot fraud. *
 
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OraLabora said:
I don’t think he needed the Democratic Party’s help for that. He managed to turn people off all by himself.
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Well, he apparently didn’t turn everyone off because he still had 71 million plus votes from people who still support him and are standing up for him.

Also, it wasn’t he himself that bothered people, it was his pro-life agenda. Not as bad, but President George W. Bush was disliked quite a bit by democrats also because of his pro-life stand.
 
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Part II
*In Georgia, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger told Fox 5 Atlanta on Tuesday ‘We have not found any widespread voter fraud.’

‘I understand half of the people will be happy, half of the people will be sad, but I want 100% of the people to understand that the process was fair and accurately counted,’ Raffensperger said.
 
ProVobis said:
Billions of dollars are transferred every day successfully and securely. There is no reason why we can’t vote online with the right design.
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Computer systems get hacked very frequently also but I do agree with the technology we have today, there should be a better system.
 
tomarin said:
*In Georgia, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger told Fox 5 Atlanta on Tuesday ‘We have not found any widespread voter fraud.’

‘I understand half of the people will be happy, half of the people will be sad, but I want 100% of the people to understand that the process was fair and accurately counted,’ Raffensperger said.
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And for this principled stand Trump tweeted that he (Raffensperger) is a RINO.

That Trump is a classy guy.
 
OraLabora said:
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JonNC:
But all of that compiled does not compare to the raw animus they hold for Trump.
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Well I can’t stand Trump, and it’s not because the Democrats told me so.
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Why?
Because he started no new wars?

Lowered unemployment rates of blacks, Hispanics and women to historical lows?

Made historic strides for peace in the Middle East?

Placed our embassy in Jerusalem where it belongs?

Renegotiated lousy trade deals to help not only American workers, but those in other countries?

Appointed constitutional judges and justices?

Trump is not a particularly likable guy. He’s rude, crude, and sometimes verbally mean. He’s not someone I’d choose to have a beer with. But I wasn’t voting for a good guy. I was voting for a president with good policies.
 
MagdalenaRita said:
Also, it wasn’t he himself that bothered people, it was his pro-life agenda.
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I disagree. The man is manifestly unfit to be president. He has been a train wreck of falsehoods, insulting his international allies, cozying up to dictators like Kim, and I could go on. I don’t dislike him because of his pro-life stand, I dislike him in spite of his pro-life stand. And I’m pretty sure that I’m not alone.
 
Part III

*Pennsylvania Lieutenant Governor John Fetterman, a Democrat, in a CNN interview Wednesday said that the only known case of voter fraud ‘in Pennsylvania, in this cycle, is a registered Republican in Luzerne County, [who] tried to vote for Trump with his dead mother’s ballot.’

‘And at some point, we all have to collectively accept that yelling ‘voter fraud’ when there is no evidence whatsoever of it, is yelling ‘fire’ in a crowded theater,’ Fetterman said. ‘It is harming the democratic franchise of our country and the peaceful transition of power, and we cannot accept that.’ *
 
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*Pennsylvania Lieutenant Governor John Fetterman, a Democrat, in a CNN interview Wednesday said that the only known case of voter fraud ‘in Pennsylvania, in this cycle, is a registered Republican in Luzerne County, [who] tried to vote for Trump with his dead mother’s ballot.’
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that is priceless.
 
Part IV

*In Michigan, state Attorney General Dana Nessel also disputed claims of fraud by the Trump campaign.

‘The November elections in Michigan ran as smoothly as ever,’ Nessel, a Democrat, said Wednesday.

‘Irregularities occur in every election, but there are multiple layers of protection to ensure that these irregularities are caught and rectified.’

‘Most of these are simple human error, not crimes,’ she said. *
 
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Victoria33 said:
240 affidavits.

Affidavits, yes, are evidence.
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But they are not necessarily evidence that meets the courts rules of the evidence, as has already been demonstrated by Trump’s campaign when they presented an affidavit that someone was told what someone else heard. Or as the judge put it, a hearsay of a hearsay presented without stating an exception for why the hearsay should be admissible.

I think these legal actions are generating lots of PR for people that will not spend time considering the merit. The existence of a court case is not an evidence of wrong doing, the existence of an affidavit is not evidence that the case is supported by anything of substance. Nevertheless it will be convincing to someone that doesn’t realize this.

These cases have had as much substance as Trump’s allegations of “proof” that Obama wasn’t born in the USA.
Victoria33 said:
We already have recounts
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Georgia is recounting because the margin for the vote is within the range where a candidate can get a recount by request. But that recount is not supportive of the allegations made.
 
Thinking Sapien: ‘Nevertheless, it will be convincing to someone who does not realize this.’ Bingo.
 
JonNC said:
I expect him to concede defeat when the process is over
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You are more optimistic that I am.

I expect him to be as accepting of defeat as he was of not getting popular vote in 2016.
 
OraLabora said:
I don’t think he needed the Democratic Party’s help for that. He managed to turn people off all by himself.
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Interesting. I personally found Donald Trump very appealing, even with his hedonistic past. And I didn’t think I would like him–I was one of the Republicans who didn’t vote for him as much as I voted AGAINST Secy of State Clinton.

But I found myself liking him more and more as his Presidency continued. I think that perhaps the fact that all the Democrats hated him so viscerally made me get into this corner.

Part of it has to do with his support for figure skating–a sport that most men snort at. Donald Trump has made some significant donations to the this sport that used to be the 3rd most popular sport on television (I believe football was first, followed by either baseball or basketball, and then figure skating). Many Americans were able to recognize names like Scott Hamilton, Brian Boitano, Kristi Yamaguchi, Michelle Kwan, and many Americans could even name non-American skaters like Torville and Dean, Katarina Witt, Victor Petrenko, Gordeev and Grinkov–now most Americans have no idea who the current mens and ladies champs are, let alone pairs and dance champs.

I guess I just find it very “nice” that Donald Trump has made his anonymous contributions to the sport AFTER it lost its appeal. In other words, he roots for underdogs and helps them out. That’s the way I found his entire Presidency–helpful to me and my husband and our families.

His support of the sport makes me fairly certain that he has a lot of other unknown good deeds.

I have a daughter who is an entertainment professional, and until Pres. Trump came along, she was, like many in her profession, definitely leaning towards the liberal end of the political spectrum. In the last four years, she has made a 180 degree turn towards the conservative camp. She’s very careful with her show biz peers, but she’s also capable of pointing out thought-provoking little contradictions between their liberalism and their humanitarianism–and she does it so gently, so sweetly–like a knife cutting a cake.

Perhaps this is one reason I just don’t have a lot of Catholic friends–different strokes for different folks.
 
OraLabora said:
I disagree
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That is your privilege. Just understand that these are your opinions and we can see based on the election that even though Mr. Biden (supposedly so far) received the majority of the popular vote, it was very, very close. Definitely showing that many people do not feel he is unfit for the office and appreciate what he has done.
 
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