Evangelicals with gay children challenging church

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BrassAnkles said:
👍 I would only change “thinking” with “proselytising”. 🙂
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I wouldn’t characterize either the article or Joie’s reading of it as “proselytizing.” There are many things with which she would agree in that article and some with which she might disagree. But the article, while somewhat densely written, merely comes to the conclusion that “orientation” as a social construct will not last much longer. And that the use of “heterosexual” as a term for normative behavior has often give “heterosexuals” a pass for bad behavior.
 
JimG said:
I wouldn’t characterize either the article or Joie’s reading of it as “proselytizing.” There are many things with which she would agree in that article and some with which she might disagree. But the article, while somewhat densely written, merely comes to the conclusion that “orientation” as a social construct will not last much longer. And that the use of “heterosexual” as a term for normative behavior has often give “heterosexuals” a pass for bad behavior.
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My comment was in general terms based on the constant promotion of SSA as innate/natural/neutral inspite of the scientific evidence not to mention Church doctrine.
 
JimG said:
Actually it attacks the whole notion of heterosexuality and homosexuality and sexual orientation, which are presented as social constructs of rather recent origin.
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That it does; the concept of homosexuality was invented as a foil for the concept of heterosexuality and thus to eliminate the concept of heterosexuality is to ultimately eliminate the concept of sexual orientation by extension.
JimG said:
I wouldn’t characterize either the article or Joie’s reading of it as “proselytizing.” There are many things with which she would agree in that article and some with which she might disagree. But the article, while somewhat densely written, merely comes to the conclusion that “orientation” as a social construct will not last much longer. And that the use of “heterosexual” as a term for normative behavior has often give “heterosexuals” a pass for bad behavior.
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Indeed
 
MJJean said:
Thanks for pointing that out, Thorolfr.

Zoltan, back to what basics? Here in the US men are just starting to be truly comfortable expressing affection to other men, but most of the rest of the world has never had a problem with men being affectionate with each other.🤷
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Actually we have become less affectionate because of the increasing acceptance of homosexual relationships. A review of movies before the 50’s can verify that, not to mention talking with people of that generation.

This is another reason homosexuality destroys society from within by undermining fellowship as people are afraid physical displays of affection between two persons of the same sex have a sexual component.

On the contrary where homosexuality has not been embraced to such a level in other societies a hug between two men is considered normal because no one is worried the other person is homosexual. Latin America is a perfect example, but of course even there thing are changing due to the US gov’t. , the UN and our music and movie industry doing everything possible to promote homosexuality.
 
Yes men have become homophobic and I agree that ironically the proposal of homosexuality for general acceptance has contributed to that. Unfortunate.

If you read some of the ancient writings, men wrote/spoke to one another in ways that would be unacceptable now. Speaking of my friend “laying his head on my breast” etc… conveys a tenderness with which we have become uncomfortable.

I think it is good to desexualize society so that common sense affection can be had without worrying about “deeper meanings”.
 
Ositokc said:
Yeah, let’s get rid of all this sissy stuff! Give our boys guns early so they can HUNT, they can KILL their food, they can be a MANLY MAN! Never let them play with dolls or any of that girly stuff. Let’s teach them early to be macho and get that testosterone pumping early! Never let them cry too, that’s sissy girly stuff! It’s time to regain manhood!!

/sarcasm off
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Wow!

I’m glad I caught the /sarcasm off note. I was going to give you 👍👍👍
 
BrassAnkles said:
Actually we have become less affectionate because of the increasing acceptance of homosexual relationships. A review of movies before the 50’s can verify that, not to mention talking with people of that generation.

This is another reason homosexuality destroys society from within by undermining fellowship as people are afraid physical displays of affection between two persons of the same sex have a sexual component.

On the contrary where homosexuality has not been embraced to such a level in other societies a hug between two men is considered normal because no one is worried the other person is homosexual. Latin America is a perfect example, but of course even there thing are changing due to the US gov’t. , the UN and our music and movie industry doing everything possible to promote homosexuality.
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The turn against homosociality started when one’s fellow man stopped being a potential ally and started becoming competition, i.e. industrial revolution and Social Darwinism the last hold out of male friendships happens to be the military where men must depend on other men for their survival.
clem456 said:
Yes men have become homophobic and I agree that ironically the proposal of homosexuality for general acceptance has contributed to that. Unfortunate.

If you read some of the ancient writings, men wrote/spoke to one another in ways that would be unacceptable now. Speaking of my friend “laying his head on my breast” etc… conveys a tenderness with which we have become uncomfortable.

I think it is good to desexualize society so that common sense affection can be had without worrying about “deeper meanings”.
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I wouldn’t call pre-1950 ancient.
 
Rau said:
Makes we wonder, what are the objective characteristics of real men?
  • American
  • heterosexual
  • republican
As an immigrant country (relatively speaking) we may need to add some restrictions on source country, or number of generations since arrival. 🤷 Maybe add something about liking John Wayne movies?
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American, yes. In America. (When in Rome…)

heterosexual…I’m so tired of that word…lets use NORMAL.

republican… not necessarily…Conservative definitely.

I am an immigrant. I came to the U.S. when I was 12. Before that time my heroes were:
John Wayne, Roy Rogers, and Donald Duck. I think everyone should like John Wayne films.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
American, yes. In America. (When in Rome…)

heterosexual…I’m so tired of that word…lets use NORMAL.

republican… not necessarily…Conservative definitely.

I am an immigrant. I came to the U.S. when I was 12. Before that time my heroes were:
John Wayne, Roy Rogers, and Donald Duck. I think everyone should like John Wayne films.
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Normal for a straight person is being straight.
Normal for a gay person is being gay.

John Wayne made some awesome Westerns and I had an imaginary friend at age four that was Roy Rogers - as far as Donald Duck goes, “WHAT’S UP DOC?”!
 
clem456 said:
Yes men have become homophobic and I agree that ironically the proposal of homosexuality for general acceptance has contributed to that. Unfortunate.

If you read some of the ancient writings, men wrote/spoke to one another in ways that would be unacceptable now. Speaking of my friend "layi

I think it is good to desexualize society so that common sense affection can be had without worrying about “deeper meanings”.
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BrassAnkles said:
Actually we have become less affectionate because of the increasing acceptance of homosexual relationships. A review of movies before the 50’s can verify that, not to mention talking with people of that generation.

This is another reason homosexuality destroys society from within by undermining fellowship as people are afraid physical displays of affection between two persons of the same sex have a sexual component.

On the contrary where homosexuality has not been embraced to such a level in other societies a hug between two men is considered normal because no one is worried the other person is homosexual. Latin America is a perfect example, but of course even there thing are changing due to the US gov’t. , the UN and our music and movie industry doing everything possible to promote homosexuality.
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Well maybe straight men should stop being so afraid that someone might think they’re gay. If there was no stigma attached to being gay, no one would pay any attention to two straight men showing affection for each other.

Let me play a sad song for you on the world’s smallest violin 😃
 
clem456 said:
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If you read some of the ancient writings, men wrote/spoke to one another in ways that would be unacceptable now. Speaking of my friend “laying his head on my breast” etc… conveys a tenderness with which we have become uncomfortable…
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Don’t even go there! I have no problem with Jesus and John showing this affection because I have no problem believing that they don’t have sexual feelings attached to it like you would want to lead us to believe:tsktsk: It’s close to Blashemy clem456. Kinda sickening in my opinion.:mad:
 
kozlosap said:
Normal for a straight person is being straight.
Normal for a gay person is being gay.

John Wayne made some awesome Westerns and I had an imaginary friend at age four that was Roy Rogers - as far as Donald Duck goes, “WHAT’S UP DOC?”!
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Being gay is not normal.

“WHAT’S UP DOC?”…For some reason Warner Bros cartoons were not shown in my old country at that time. In fact only American Westerns were shown. I didn’t know that John Wayne ever played a soldier until I came here.
 
WilT said:
Don’t even go there! I have no problem with Jesus and John showing this affection because I have no problem believing that they don’t have sexual feelings attached to it like you would want to lead us to believe:tsktsk: It’s close to Blashemy clem456. Kinda sickening in my opinion.:mad:
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There’s also David and Jonathan. In 2 Samuel 1:26, David says to Jonathan:

I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.
 
Thorolfr said:
There’s also David and Jonathan. In 2 Samuel 1:26, David says to Jonathan:

I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.
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Loving a friend as a brother cannot have a homosexual component because said component is the opposite of love and can only detract from real love.
 
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