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Iraq Wmd Hunters Return to U.S. Empty-Handed

By Mark Sage, PA in New York

The hunt for Saddam Hussein’s alleged weapons of mass destruction has formally come to an end in Iraq, it emerged today.

Officials with the Iraq Survey Group (ISG), the body established to find the very weapons which justified the war, have returned to the US, amid growing dangers from insurgents in Iraq.

An interim report, written by former ISG head, Charles Duelfer, will serve as the group’s final conclusions, according to the Washington Post.

The Duelfer document contradicted virtually all the pre-war claims from London and Washington about Saddam possessing biological and chemical weapons, and reconstituting Iraq’s nuclear programme.

An intelligence official told the newspaper that the chances of weapons being hidden inside Iraq, or having been shipped out of the country before the war, were very small.

The search was called off amid the growing insurgency and risk of attack or kidnap in Iraq.

Every single suspect site in Iraq has been inspected by the ISG or plundered by insurgents and looters.

Most of the suspects have also been rounded up and questioned.

“We’ve talked to so many people that someone would have said something,” an intelligence official told the newspaper.

“We received nothing that contradicts the picture we’ve put forward. It’s possible there is a supply some place, but what is much more likely is that we will find a greater substantiation of the picture that we’ve already put forward.” The ISG still exists and is based at the Pentagon under Marine Corps Brigadier General Joseph McMenamin.

The group is now mainly concentrating on counter-insurgency work.

The ISG has urged the Pentagon to release scientists who have been questioned at length about Iraq’s weapons capabilities.

They are General Amir Saadi, a liaison between Saddam’s government and UN inspectors; Rihab Taha, a biologist nicknamed “Dr Germ” in the west; her husband, Amir Rashid, the former oil minister; and Huda Amash, another biologist who earned the nickname “Mrs Anthrax”.

The ISG determined that none of the scientists had been involved in Iraqi weapons programmes since the first Gulf War, the newspaper reported.

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The Duelfer document contradicted virtually all the pre-war claims from London and Washington about Saddam possessing biological and chemical weapons, and reconstituting Iraq’s nuclear programme.
Here we go again…

The claims were coming from EVERYONE, including the UN.

AND…

If you read the Duelfer Report, it DID NOT contradict all the claims…in fact, it supported those claims quite a bit, and under resolution 1441, Iraq was in breach of it’s agreement all over the place.

But that doesn’t matter to the Left.
 
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jlw:
Here we go again…

The claims were coming from EVERYONE, including the UN.

AND…

If you read the Duelfer Report, it DID NOT contradict all the claims…in fact, it supported those claims quite a bit, and under resolution 1441, Iraq was in breach of it’s agreement all over the place.

But that doesn’t matter to the Left.
The report comes from the Press Association not a left wing organisation. But facts dont matter to the right
 
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Matt25:
The report comes from the Press Association not a left wing organisation. But facts dont matter to the right
Hmmm, maybe the Press Association is a left wing organization?

After all, the media has been proven to be full of left wing bias.
 
I had reservations about the invasion of the coalition. However, I soon came to realise that the people of Iraq wanted to be liberated. I had reservations about the alleged weapons of mass destruction when there continued to be reports indicating that nothing was found.

Over time I have given a lot of thought to the probability that there was Divine intervention and despite our prayers the invasion and the capture of Saddam Hussein had to take place. This was a people who had been oppressed and persecuted by a man of few moral values.

I do not agree that the scientists, especially Dr Germ should be set free. These people indulged in the making of “weapons” that caused the death of their own people, and they were heartless in their use of these things. These people believe in killing others.

Yes, the Pope is vindicated because the reason given for the invasion has turned out to have not had any truth to it - yet, who knows, those weapons could have been secreted elsewhere, or it was all talk in the first place. Let us not forget that Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons on the Kurds. The capability to make the weapons existed.

Maggie
 
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ByzCath:
After all, the media has been proven to be full of left wing bias.
Only if you listen to right-wing nuts.

Knowing what we know now, though, has the invasion and occupation of Iraq been worth the price? What have we gained by sacrificing the lives and bodies of 1000s of our own soldiers, to say nothing of the #s of Iraqis we have killed or maimed intentionally or unintentionally? Maybe I am some kind of psychic, but I never saw evidence of an imminent threat to our security before the war and never knew what the big rush to invade was about. To my mind, war should only be fought as a last resort. I was against the war from the start. Looks like I was right.
 
I have felt for a very long time, and still think, that the war in Iraq was NOT about Saddam’s wmd’s, rather it was about Iran and their wmd programs. We now 150,000 solidiers very close to Iran–and nearly all experts think that Iran has been the home base for Bin Laden for some time. Do not forget that World War III began with Iran taking our hostages! I think Bush and his admin truly did believe that Saddam had the weapons, but the real threat was/is Iran.
 
The Vatican’s viewpoint was that we should wait and invade Iraq with the UN.

Well, the events at the time were that the UN was being bribed and there is no way it would have ever invaded Iraq to unseat Saddam.
 
gilliam,

Let’s be more specific. France and Germany sabotaged our efforts to hold IRaq accountable–and they did that because of the oil for food scandal and because of the major oil contracts France had with Saddam. It is funny that so many people said that the war in Iraq was about oil–they were right, they just had the wrong country–it was France that wanted to protect their oil interest in Iraq. they did not care one bit about the horrible things that were going on in Iraq.
 
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ByzCath:
Hmmm, maybe the Press Association is a left wing organization?

After all, the media has been proven to be full of left wing bias.
Brilliant, if the press agree with you its a free press, if they disagree their left wing.

Ever considered your biased?
 
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TPJCatholic:
gilliam,

Let’s be more specific. France and Germany sabotaged our efforts to hold IRaq accountable–and they did that because of the oil for food scandal and because of the major oil contracts France had with Saddam. It is funny that so many people said that the war in Iraq was about oil–they were right, they just had the wrong country–it was France that wanted to protect their oil interest in Iraq. they did not care one bit about the horrible things that were going on in Iraq.
Russia was also heavily involved in the embezzing of Oil for Food dollars as well as heavily invested in Saddam’s Iraq.
 
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Matt25:
The report comes from the Press Association not a left wing organisation. But facts dont matter to the right
Yeah, the press is sooooooooo not left-of-center…:rolleyes:
 
But facts dont matter to the right
Nor to the left evidently, or should we forget that paragon of journalistic virtue Dan Rather/ or another left wing journalist Jayson Blair, yeah I rely on him for factual reporting along with the entire NYT.

Not finding WMD doesn’t mean they are or weren’t there. Anyone who has been in a desert country (let alone one as big as Iraq) knows that you can hide things there that can stay hidden forever.

No one has yet addressed the large amount of heavy vehicular traffic from Iraq into Syria prior to the commencement of hostilities. These trucks were climate controlled (various types of WMD require strict temperature control while being stored) and moved from sites that had been identified as potential WMD storage facilities. A large number of Saddam loyalists are in Syria (also a Baathist state) I wonder what they could possibly be giving the Syrian government to insure their safety? Could it possibly be that Syria will benefit from the looted wealth, weapons, and other things brought out of Iraq?

Matt why is it that so often you attempt to justify your beliefs or agenda by hiding behind “the Vatican said…”? Give it up along with your leftist leanings and liberation ideaology.
 
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jlw:
Yeah, the press is sooooooooo not left-of-center…:rolleyes:
Do you actually know what the Press Association is? It is a news gathering organisation. It does not editorialize because it relies on selling its stories to all kinds of outlets like Fox News, the Chicago Tribune, the Washington Times, the Jerusalem Post, Ha’aretz and most every newspaper, TV channel and radio station in the world. Heck even Rush Limbaugh quotes PA stories. Stop being paranoid and deal with the facts rather than trying to shoot the messenger.
 
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Nichevo:
Matt why is it that so often you attempt to justify your beliefs or agenda by hiding behind “the Vatican said…”? Give it up along with your leftist leanings and liberation ideaology.
Because I am a Catholic, a faithful Catholic at that, albeit a sinful one.
 
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Norwich:
Brilliant, if the press agree with you its a free press, if they disagree their left wing.

Ever considered your biased?
No more biased than you.
 
Everyone, including the UN, the Vatican, and former President Clinton thought Iraq had WMDs. Your subject title is yet another mislead and an effort for you to put words in the Vatican’s mouth.
 
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sbcoral:
Only if you listen to right-wing nuts.

Knowing what we know now, though, has the invasion and occupation of Iraq been worth the price? What have we gained by sacrificing the lives and bodies of 1000s of our own soldiers, to say nothing of the #s of Iraqis we have killed or maimed intentionally or unintentionally? Maybe I am some kind of psychic, but I never saw evidence of an imminent threat to our security before the war and never knew what the big rush to invade was about. To my mind, war should only be fought as a last resort. I was against the war from the start. Looks like I was right.
Hundreds of thousands of soldiers died for freedom. Worth it?? Yes. Freedom is worth it. You are so thankless. :mad: Behind ungratefulness is pride. It always is.

Nice armchair quarterbacking. Where were you on 9/11?? Sheesh, thanks for warning us!!

Osama Bin Laden said back in 1996 that he was at war with the US. the plans for 9/11 were hatched in '96. Were we threatened??? Then Embassy bombings. USS Cole. Should we have done something then??

The last resort?? What EXACTLY is “the last resort”???

Oh yeah, another 9/11. That oughta do it for you.
 
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TPJCatholic:
I have felt for a very long time, and still think, that the war in Iraq was NOT about Saddam’s wmd’s, rather it was about Iran and their wmd programs. We now 150,000 solidiers very close to Iran–and nearly all experts think that Iran has been the home base for Bin Laden for some time. Do not forget that World War III began with Iran taking our hostages! I think Bush and his admin truly did believe that Saddam had the weapons, but the real threat was/is Iran.
Iran is at the top of the list in terms of supporting terrorism around the world. Iraq wasn’t far behind.
 
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