Events vindicate Vatican viewpoint

[jlw]

Matt25:

Do you actually know what the Press Association is? It is a news gathering organisation. It does not editorialize because it relies on selling its stories to all kinds of outlets like Fox News, the Chicago Tribune, the Washington Times, the Jerusalem Post, Ha’aretz and most every newspaper, TV channel and radio station in the world. Heck even Rush Limbaugh quotes PA stories. Stop being paranoid and deal with the facts rather than trying to shoot the messenger.

Matt25, Reuters is biased. The AP is biased. It just IS. Sorry to break that to you. News gatheing isn’t biased. But news-gatherers are!!! Quoting stories doesn’t necessarily make it so. The story-tellers themselves always include or omit data–data that gives the reader content…in a certain context.

The press usually (not always) frames their stories in a left-of-center context.

The messager delivered a message that is incomplete. He deserves a talking too. And after this talking too, he still delivers incomplete messages, then what then???

 

[Brad]

sbcoral:

Only if you listen to right-wing nuts.

Knowing what we know now, though, has the invasion and occupation of Iraq been worth the price? What have we gained by sacrificing the lives and bodies of 1000s of our own soldiers, to say nothing of the #s of Iraqis we have killed or maimed intentionally or unintentionally? Maybe I am some kind of psychic, but I never saw evidence of an imminent threat to our security before the war and never knew what the big rush to invade was about. To my mind, war should only be fought as a last resort. I was against the war from the start. Looks like I was right.

Right. People were saying the universities were not biased either until the truth came out that 7 out of 8 professors are democrats.

Do you think Rather and the other 4 CBS News employees were axed for their right-wing bias?

Thousands of our soliders? Think again and try counting from the beginning. It hasn’t been thousands.

Looks like you should count your lucky stars that you live in the US of A and you had a leader that was man enough to stop a Middle East madman before one of his sympathizers ended up blowing up a building you happened to be walking in.

How many times do we have to repeat the tired arguments that Sadaam was given 15 or so chances to adhere to UN resolutions and he said to the UN this: “kiss my ___”. It was a last resort. For you and otherise that assume that madmen are also stupid, don’t count on it. Hitler was a genius, Stalin wasn’t far behind, and Sadaam was a disciple of Stalin. If you think he didn’t play games with diplomats around the world and he didn’t have the capability to rid his weapons when given ample time to do so then you, again, should thank God you live in a country where doing little thinking will not get you killed or imprisoned.

 

[Brad]

Matt25:

Because I am a Catholic, a faithful Catholic at that, albeit a sinful one.

Just to help you out with your faithfulness. Being faithful does not mean putting words in the Pope’s mouth. The Pope never said Iraq did not have WMDs and the Pope never said that war with Iraq is unjust and the Pope never said that Iraq did not support terrorists and terrorism.

 

[Matt25]

jlw:

Hundreds of thousands of soldiers died for freedom. Worth it?? Yes. Freedom is worth it. You are so thankless. Behind ungratefulness is pride. It always is.

Nice armchair quarterbacking. Where were you on 9/11?? Sheesh, thanks for warning us!!

Osama Bin Laden said back in 1996 that he was at war with the US. the plans for 9/11 were hatched in '96. Were we threatened??? Then Embassy bombings. USS Cole. Should we have done something then??

The last resort?? What EXACTLY is “the last resort”???

Oh yeah, another 9/11. That oughta do it for you.

There was no link between Saddam Hussein and the September 2001 attacks on the USA. If you don’t believe me believe George W Bush who said as much himself.

 

[jlw]

Matt25:

There was no link between Saddam Hussein and the September 2001 attacks on the USA. If you don’t believe me believe George W Bush who said as much himself.

No kidding. Duh, knew that.

But this a war against terrorism. It’s not called the War on Osama. Nor is this called a War against Saddam. It is not called The War against Zarqawi.

It is a war against **terrorists, and those who aid, abet, fund etc acts of terrorism. **Those, by dispicible means, thwart freedom and peace. Saddam was certainly on this side, in word and deed.

(Side note: The national security of the United States has been at risk since 1887!! We may not know this day-in-and day-out, but it’s the truth.)

In the age of modern terrorism, even prior to 9/11, and most certainly NOW in post-9/11 world, Saddam Hussien was a threat, given his history, given his words, given the intel (flawed, only in hindsight) of countless agencies* besides* that of the US and Britain.

He was in direct opposition to freedom and peace. (Peace, by the way, does not just mean “absence of war”, unless we are in kindergarden).

Fighting and dying for freedom is worth it. I have not been in a firefight, but by God, I would give my life to save my family’s lives for tyranny.

 

[Norwich]

Nichevo:

Not finding WMD doesn’t mean they are or weren’t there. Anyone who has been in a desert country (let alone one as big as Iraq) knows that you can hide things there that can stay hidden forever.

Yep! and Elvis didn’t die he drives a taxi in New York.

Get real fella’s, whether you like it or not there ain’t no WMD’s.

 

[jlw]

Norwich:

Yep! and Elvis didn’t die he drives a taxi in New York.

Get real fella’s, whether you like it or not there ain’t no WMD’s.

Like it or not Norwich, we haven’t proved that he didn’t hide them.

From a lawyers perspective, a drug-dealer who flushes his coke down the toilet seconds before the police raid his crackhouse can’t be convicted of possession, but the TRUTH that he HAD drugs and is still a drug-dealer and a menace to society doesn’t change.

 

[Brad]

Norwich:

Yep! and Elvis didn’t die he drives a taxi in New York.

Get real fella’s, whether you like it or not there ain’t no WMD’s.

The Iraqi, Iranian, and Kuwaiti people that Sadaam killed with them would think otherwise - if they still could think.

It boggles my mind that you think Iraq would be better off with this brutal madman and would say almost anything to defend him still being there.

 

[buffalo]

I think that we should look at this in say 5 or 10 years. Everyone may be thinking differntly as the real results show themselves.

 

[Norwich]

Brad:

Right. People were saying the universities were not biased either until the truth came out that 7 out of 8 professors are democrats.

So does that mean that the remainder were republican but not biased?

Strange set of values I would have thought.

 

[Norwich]

Brad:

It boggles my mind that you think Iraq would be better off with this brutal madman and would say almost anything to defend him still being there.

Never defended him being there, just questioned the right of us being there.

 

[jlw]

buffalo:

I think that we should look at this in say 5 or 10 years. Everyone may be thinking differntly as the real results show themselves.

I agree.

 

[Brad]

Norwich:

So does that mean that the remainder were republican but not biased?

Strange set of values I would have thought.

Can’t help you if you can’t do math.

 

[Brad]

Norwich:

Never defended him being there, just questioned the right of us being there.

Same thing unless you had a different solution that missed the mind of the world community for over 10 years.

 

[Norwich]

Brad:

Can’t help you if you can’t do math.

Another strange Americanism, whats a MATH?

 

[gilliam]

Math is short for mathematics.

However, you guys need to be more charitable to each other.

 

[jlw]

Norwich:

So does that mean that the remainder were republican but not biased?

Strange set of values I would have thought.

No, it means what it means. liberal ideology put out in university classrooms outweighs conservative thought by a factor of 7:1.

I guarantee that if the hiring processes at universities were conducted on merit, without a “thought police” mentality, those numbers may never be 1:1, but maybe 3:1, and with that, a better diversity of thought and freedom of speech would prevail.

And that’s a good thing.

Oh, and republicans would start winning every election because the youth vote for democrats would shrink considerably!!

 

[Nichevo]

Matt25:

Because I am a Catholic, a faithful Catholic at that, albeit a sinful one.

Again, I ask, why do you use the Church to justify your leftist leanings? The Holy Father is no advocate of the leftist society you seem to envision, remember he suffered under and then helped bring down the last one.
The Holy Father is no advocate of the Liberation Theology you embrace. How is that you hold these beliefs, and advocate a theology that finds its companionship with a form of government that seeks to deny man the very freedom given to him by God? How does this make you a faithful Catholic?

 

[sbcoral]

jlw:

Hundreds of thousands of soldiers died for freedom. Worth it?? Yes. Freedom is worth it. You are so thankless. Behind ungratefulness is pride. It always is.

Nice armchair quarterbacking. Where were you on 9/11?? Sheesh, thanks for warning us!!

Osama Bin Laden said back in 1996 that he was at war with the US. the plans for 9/11 were hatched in '96. Were we threatened??? Then Embassy bombings. USS Cole. Should we have done something then??

The last resort?? What EXACTLY is “the last resort”???

Oh yeah, another 9/11. That oughta do it for you.

I don’t think it’s been hundreds of thousands of people dead, at least not yet. Whose freedom are you talking about? Ours? Was Saddam a threat to our freedom? How, exactly? Or are you talking about the freedom of Iraqis? Was that why we launched this war - as a kind, humanitarian diversion from the real war on al Qaeda? If that’s the case, then I can think of about 50 other countries we ought to be invading in order to provide freedom.

And I don’t really get this stuff about 9/11 and Osama that you are talking about. As my retarded uncle knows, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or Osama bin Laden.

 

[sbcoral]

TPJCatholic:

I have felt for a very long time, and still think, that the war in Iraq was NOT about Saddam’s wmd’s, rather it was about Iran and their wmd programs. We now 150,000 solidiers very close to Iran–and nearly all experts think that Iran has been the home base for Bin Laden for some time. Do not forget that World War III began with Iran taking our hostages! I think Bush and his admin truly did believe that Saddam had the weapons, but the real threat was/is Iran.

Is Iran really linked to al Qaeda? Maybe - I don’t know everything - but Osama and his ilk are Sunni Muslims. Iran and its whole religious government is Shiite. That is a pretty big, fundamental difference, I thought.