Evil Harry Potter

[tonyh12]

Would be helpful to have a link to the full context of what Cardinal benedict said right at the start of the thread that’s all, just so people can make their minds up based on the full context.

 

[Sarcelle]

There are many children out there who do not have a spiritual believe system, some will develop a deep spiritual hunger and will take the the left path.

Harry Potter or no Harry Potter, there will be children with no belief structure. Seeking to ban Harry Potter will not solve that.

 

[Sarcelle]

Appeal to an unnamed authority.

Does not convince me in the slightest.

By the way, why would an exorcist know anything about spells and their supposed veracity?

Do they take coursework in the occult during their training?

 

[Wife.of.Gabriel]

Which ones, and how do we know this?

(I’d also be curious to know how JK Rowling knew them, but that’s another topic)

1/3 of the spells are real according to J.K. Rowling. I’ve placed the link below to her 10.20.1999 interview, during mins: 17:20 to 18:05 she explains her research of the actual spells used historically in Britain and explains that she is very careful to include the exact words of those spells in her books.

https://dianerehm.org/audio/#/shows/1999-10-20/jk-rowling/104618/@00:00

 

[Wife.of.Gabriel]

Does not convince me in the slightest.

If you don’t believe the exorcists, perhaps you’ll believe J.K.Rowling herself? Mins 17:20 to 18:05 of this interview she did on October 20, 1999, you can hear for yourself as she explains the research she’s done to ensure that she gets the exact words of real spells used historically in Britain are included in her book word for word and that 1/3 of the spells in her books are these real spells.

https://dianerehm.org/audio/#/shows/1999-10-20/jk-rowling/104618/@00:00

 

[Lou2U]

1/3 of the spells are real according to J.K. Rowling. I’ve placed the link below to her 10.20.1999 interview, during mins: 17:20 to 18:05 she explains her research of the actual spells used historically in Britain and explains that she is very careful to include the exact words of those spells in her books.

If you don’t believe the exorcists, perhaps you’ll believe J.K.Rowling herself? Mins 17:20 to 18:05 of this interview she did on October 20, 1999, you can hear for yourself as she explains the research she’s done to ensure that she gets the exact words of real spells used historically in Britain are included in her book word for word and that 1/3 of the spells in her books are these real spells.

https://dianerehm.org/audio/#/shows/1999-10-20/jk-rowling/104618/@00:00

Her actual wording in those minutes are:

There is - I’m not trying to work it in but if you’re writing a book, I mean, it - I do do a certain amount of research and folklore is quite important in the books, so where I’m mentioning a creature or a spell that people used to believe genuinely worked - of course it didn’t, but it’s still a very picturesque and a very comical world in some ways. Then I will find out exactly what the words were and what the characteristics of that creature or ghost was supposed to be. But I hope that that appears seamlessly. Children often ask me how much of the magic is ‘real’ in inverted commas, in the books in the sense that ‘did anyone ever believe in that’. I would say a rough proportion of about a third of the stuff that crops up is stuff that people genuinely used to believe in Britain, two thirds of it though is my invention."

So she categorically states that none of the spells are real, nor were they ever real. Just superstitions of what people used to think.

 

[Wife.of.Gabriel]

So she categorically states that none of the spells are real,

No, that’s the opposite of true. She clearly says they’re real & that they’re historically believed to be real and interjects her opinion that she doesn’t believe they work, but that they are real and that she went through great lengths of research to include them exactly word for word into her books.

 

[Lou2U]

She clearly says they’re real

Where? I don’t see that in any of the above quote, taken from your recommendation of minutes to listen to. “Spell that people used to believe genuinely worked” is not the same as spells being real. The very clear point she makes to my ears is that the spells are not real.

 

[tonyh12]

I think like all live conversations it can be interpreted several ways but I’m thankful that Gabriel provided link it is concerning a children’s author researching spells at all.

 

[Salibi]

inborn

Still waiting for them to manifest so I can go to Hogwarts.

Any day now.

 

[TheHolyTrinity]

Agreed, glad she found the actual recording. I mentioned it here: Evil Harry Potter - #322 by TheHolyTrinity

No, that’s the opposite of true. She clearly says they’re real & that they’re historically believed to be real and interjects her opinion that she doesn’t believe they work, but that they are real and that she went through great lengths of research to include them exactly word for word into her books.

Agreed.

Some things in these books are not fantasy and are used by real people in the real world. She has research enough so that some practices alluded to in her first book that are most definitely described in occult books. (Which I will not post here) Her works through HP book includes occult arts such as divination, arithmancy, casting spells, astrology, magical potions, alchemy, runes, communication with the dead, occult/pagan views of death and many others.

 

[Salibi]

book contains actual spells,

Harry Potter…contains actual spells?

 

[Sarcelle]

I am sure countless people around the world have recited these spells.

I myself have done it. So far nothing happened.

 

[Sarcelle]

I recited “wingardium leviosa” and nothing levitated.

I want my money back.

 

[Salibi]

Hogwash. You pronounced it wrong.

 

[Sarcelle]

It’s leviosaa not leviosar

 

[angel12]

It’s leviosaa not leviosar

I’ve tried it that way. No luck.

 

[tgGodsway]

This may be true, but the series on cable surely makes up for it. I certainly do not make the claim that these books are the “how-to’s” of spells and incantations. But the selling of these ideas are certainly well received by people who do not practice their Christian world view, but rather buy-in, at least at the “thought” level, to things commanded in scripture to avoid.

 

[Anrakyr]

In your world perhaps, but am Catholic and I do Trust in the Lord.

How do you get around LOTR which is based more on Nordic lore then the bible?

Gandalf legit has the power to rofl stomp all of middle earth he just knows doing so would negate the struggle and free will.

 

[angel12]

But the selling of these ideas are certainly well received by people who do not practice their Christian world view, but rather buy-in, at least at the “thought” level, to things commanded in scripture to avoid.

That’s pretty insulting.