Evolution: Is There Any Good Reason To Reject The Abiogenesis Hypothesis?

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Creation ex nihilo is a miracle by definition. God created out of nothing.
 
IWantGod said:
Why?..
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1046 For the cosmos , Revelation affirms the profound common destiny of the material world and man:

For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God . . . in hope because the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay. . . . We know that the whole creation has been groaning in travail together until now; and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.

400 The harmony in which they had found themselves, thanks to original justice, is now destroyed: the control of the soul’s spiritual faculties over the body is shattered; the union of man and woman becomes subject to tensions, their relations henceforth marked by lust and domination. Harmony with creation is broken: visible creation has become alien and hostile to man. Because of man, creation is now subject “to its bondage to decay”.Finally, the consequence explicitly foretold for this disobedience will come true: man will “return to the ground”,for out of it he was taken. Death makes its entrance into human history .
 
EZweber said:
If He isn’t, what is?
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God cannot be His own ultimate source. He is eternal, therefore has no source. See the Kalaam argument.

God might possibly be the ultimate source of everything except Himself, but He cannot be the ultimate source of everything.
 
rossum said:
God cannot be His own ultimate source. He is eternal, therefore has no source. See the Kalaam argument.

God might possibly be the ultimate source of everything except Himself , but He cannot be the ultimate source of everything.
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Very well, what’s your point?
 
STT said:
Why God should bother with natural order in order to produce something if God has capacity to create any agent at once?
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Why would God bother with creation at all? The only real answer to your question that I can think of is that He wanted to give us a puzzle for enquiring minds.
 
STT said:
Why God should bother with natural order in order to produce something if God has capacity to create any agent at once?
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I would say this is a good argument for abiogenesis. Why tinker when he could have created everything all at once in an instant. Clearly it was the intent of God that physical forms should emerge through physical processes alone including biological organisms.
 
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Why would God bother with creation at all? The only real answer to your question that I can think of is that He wanted to give us a puzzle for enquiring minds.
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God could give us all sort of puzzles after our creation in Heaven. This way the problem of evil also is resolved.
 
IWantGod said:
I would say this is a good argument for abiogenesis. Why tinker when he could have created everything all at once in an instant. Clearly it was the intent of God that physical forms should emerge through physical processes alone including biological organisms.
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But this way, the problem of evil is unavoidable. Life is full of suffering. Why God should choose this?
 
STT said:
But this way, the problem of evil is unavoidable.
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The problem of natural suffering is unavoidable, this is true. Nature is red in tooth and claw. But this is the universe in which we exist.
 
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STT said:
God could give us all sort of puzzles after our creation in Heaven. This way the problem of evil also is resolved.
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Except it is a contradiction in terms to say “being created in Heaven.” Heaven requires the choice not to be in Heaven. Therefore it is impossible to create a being in Heaven.
 
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