Evolution: Is There Any Good Reason To Reject The Abiogenesis Hypothesis?

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STT said:
I cannot accept that. God does not commit Evil.
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Your assumption is that God is committing evil by allowing natural suffering to exist or creating a universe where that could be a possible result.

The problem of suffering exists either way.
 
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EZweber said:
Except it is a contradiction in terms to say “being created in Heaven.” Heaven requires the choice not to be in Heaven. Therefore it is impossible to create a being in Heaven.
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God could create us and give us a little taste of Heaven or Hell so we could choose.This way the problem of a natural life which involves Evil is also resolved.
 
STT said:
God could create us and give us a little taste of Heaven or Hell so we could choose.
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You can’t get a taste of Heaven or Hell. Heaven is the Beatific Vision with no threat of loss and total love of God. Hell is self imposed torture from rejection of God.
 
IWantGod said:
Your assumption is that God is committing evil by allowing natural suffering to exist or creating a universe where that could be a possible result.
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It is of course is Evil to allow people to suffer for no reason. Do you think that it was impossible for God to create human such that it does not involve Evil. I can give you scenarios in which God can create and avoid Evil.
 
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STT said:
God could create us and give us a little taste of Heaven
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Do you not experience glimpses of enjoyment in this life, love, compassion, pleasure?

We all get a little glimpse of heaven through comparative analogy in this life (most of us do anyway).

But that doesn’t mean that a person will serve love above their own self interest.
 
STT said:
It is of course is Evil to allow people to suffer for no reason.
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And there is the assumption, that it is for no reason.

We have to justify that claim first before we jump to any conclusions. How could we possibly know that it’s for no good reason?
 
EZweber said:
You can’t get a taste of Heaven or Hell. Heaven is the Beatific Vision with no threat of loss and total love of God. Hell is self imposed torture from rejection of God.
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God can give us a little bit of pleasure and pain and then let us to choose. Isn’t He able to do this?
 
STT said:
Why God should bother with natural order in order to produce something if God has capacity to create any agent at once?
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Because Genesis says that is what He sometimes does: “Let the earth bring forth…” and “Let the waters bring forth…” Sometimes He acts directly: “Let there be light…” At other times He acts indirectly, through a natural agent.
 
IWantGod said:
And there is the assumption, that it is for no reason.
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So please give me the reason. As I mentioned, God could have us in Heaven after we accept to have a little taste of pleasure and pain, so we could accept heaven or Hell. There was no need for life. Life cannot be justified because it is filled by unwanted Evil.
 
STT said:
Life cannot be justified since it is involved suffering that you didn’t ask for it.
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Suffering is an unavoidable consequence of creating beings that have to learn through their experiences to love.

Would it be better if God didn’t create us at all?
 
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EZweber said:
Our suffering is for our good. That alone justifies it.
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If it were not for the potential to suffer who would care, let alone love?

Something tells me human-beings think too highly of themselves.
 
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IWantGod said:
But then we would have no freedom to choose heaven. Love allows us the freedom to choose.
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As I mention, God could create us in a temporary state and give us a little pain or pleasure to allow us to choose Heaven or Hell instead of putting us in unwanted situation which involve Evil.
 
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